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[Orthodox Christian]

Worship the Pope? He's just a man and I don't know anyone who worships him.

Man there are many, many, many, many people that worship the pope, Thess are you kidding me ? You should know better man, a lot of Catholics think that the pope is a supreme being. Look at how they worshiped pope John Paul.

It seems to me that you and Thessalonian have a different definition of the term 'worship.' yet you seem to appeal to an assumed common sense of what worship is.

Perhaps it would help if you could define what you mean by worship, or least point out in what sense some catholics "worship the Pope" in your opinion

 

[Lewis]

Perhaps it would help if you could define what you mean by worship, or least point out in what sense some Catholics "worship the Pope" in your opinion

You are kidding me right ? Do I really have to explain something so simple ?
it does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Perhaps it would help if you could define what you mean by worship, or least point out in what sense some Catholics "worship the Pope" in your opinion

You are kidding me right ? Do I really have to explain something so simple ?
it does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

Well, we have alot of people who can barely spell r-o-c-k-e-t who enforce their definitions upon other people and judge them and their worship accordingly.

No, I'm not kidding...in your definition, what is "worship" of the Pope? Indulge me, if you would.

 

[thessalonian]

Perhaps it would help if you could define what you mean by worship, or least point out in what sense some Catholics "worship the Pope" in your opinion

You are kidding me right ? Do I really have to explain something so simple ?
it does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

No, he's not kidding and neither am I. Did Issac prophesy that people would be worshipping Jacob when he, by the Holy Spirit declared that nations would bow down before him? Did Solomon worship Bethsheba when he bowed down before her? Did the Jews worship the Ark of the Covenant when they bowed down and prayed before it? (josh 7). Was Eliakim worshipped when he was presented with a rob and a ring. Did the prodigals father worship him when he gave him a robe and killed the fatted calf for him? Are you sure your definition of worship which involves judging men's hearts from the outside, something I thought only God could do.

Answer the question please.

Blessings

 

[Lewis]

Popes are carried through the streets like they are kings holding a bent cross, and you know what they mean,and people also bow down to kiss the popes ring or hand, and people travel from all over the world just to get a look at them. And when John Paul died the way the people were talking, that were interviewed, they were elevating John Paul to God status. And you Catholics have always elevated the pope to a very high place. And to say the Catholics don't is a flat out lie. He even has a throne to sit on. People see the pope and just start crying and, and call him the holy father, that is perfect.
And all of this is a form of worship. There is one Catholic that I had a great respect and love for and that was mother Theresa, I got to see her in person about 9 months or so before she died, and I could just see the gentleness, and love coming from this women she looked right at me, and I could just see the compassion and love in her eyes, this was a great women who lived for others more than for herself, and I admired, loved and respected her for it, and I will never forget her looking into my face, that day. But I do not worship her. She thought of herself as a lowly servant. As a person John Paul was ok, but he was still misleading the people.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Popes are carried through the streets like they are kings holding a bent cross, and you know what they mean,and people also bow down to kiss the popes ring or hand, and people travel from all over the world just to get a look at them. And when John Paul died the way the people were talking, that were interviewed, they were elevating John Paul to God status. And you Catholics have always elevated the pope to a very high place. And to say the Catholics don't is a flat out lie. He even has a throne to sit on. People see the pope and just start crying and, and call him the holy father, that is perfect.
And all of this is a form of worship.

A "form of worship." Is there more than one form of worship, or do you mean that the Pope is worshipped somewhat or in certain ways.

If I understand you correctly, here are behaviors you hold to be 'worshipful' behaviors:

• Carrying a person
  Kissing the hand or ring of a person
  Traveling long distances to see a person
  Speaking in rapturous amazement about a person, or attributing to them superhuman status.

Di I get that right? Please advise.

 

[Lewis]

I have added some more to this post, and yes I do consider them some forms of worship.

Popes are carried through the streets like they are kings holding a bent cross, and you know what they mean,and people also bow down to kiss the popes ring or hand, and people travel from all over the world just to get a look at them. And when John Paul died the way the people were talking, that were interviewed, they were elevating John Paul to God status. And you Catholics have always elevated the pope to a very high place. And to say the Catholics don't is a flat out lie. He even has a throne to sit on. People see the pope and just start crying and, and call him the holy father, that is perfect.
And all of this is a form of worship. There is one Catholic that I had a great respect and love for and that was mother Theresa, I got to see her in person about 9 months or so before she died, and I could just see the gentleness, and love coming from this women she looked right at me, and I could just see the compassion and love in her eyes, this was a great women who lived for others more than for herself, and I admired, loved and respected her for it, and I will never forget her looking into my face, that day. But I do not worship her. She thought of herself as a lowly servant. As a person John Paul was ok, but he was still misleading the people.

 

[Heidi]

Jesus said; "No one is good but God alone." Unfortunately, there are far too many people on this forum who don't believe him. :

 

[thessalonian]

OC,

You need to add to that list, those who sit on thrones are assuming Godlike status. Also those whom someone bows down to are being worshipped.

Lewis, do you mean that holy is perfect or that we thing the Pope is perfect. If that were true he would have tried to hide the fact that he went to confession weekly. It was quite public information. If holy means perfect, in the Old Testament it speaks of holy men, holy women, holy nation, etc. So it would seem that there were perfect people by your definition. Therefore I would conclude that holy does not neccessarily mean perfect. The dictionary defines it in one sense as "dedicated to God" and that is how I see the Pope and the office of the papacy.


More latter

 

[Lewis]

Thess, you may not think the pope is perfect, but their are others who do. The pope is held to a very high status. You should here how some of the Italians in South Philadelphia, talk about the pope, like he is almost God.

 

[Heidi]

The pope is called our Holy Father which Jesus tells us specifically not to do. But of course, who is Jesus to the catholics? He's nothing compared to Mary! I've never even seen a catholic church named after Jesus, only Mary and all the saints. It is definitely a people-woshipping church.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

The pope is called our Holy Father which Jesus tells us specifically not to do. But of course, who is Jesus to the catholics? He's nothing compared to Mary! I've never even seen a catholic church named after Jesus, only Mary and all the saints. It is definitely a people-woshipping church.

Here's a lovely little Catholic Church named after Jesus the Christ
they even have a nice website
http://www.christtheking.org/
There are literally hundreds by this name on the web.

 

[Lewis]

She said, that she has not ever seen one. I don't know if I have ether. And that is just one church that you have found. I can tell you that there is not to many Catholic churches named after Jesus, and you can't prove me wrong, because I know that I am right. The like naming them after Mary, or their so called saints, that they have proclaimed as saints.

 

[Heidi]

The pope is called our Holy Father which Jesus tells us specifically not to do. But of course, who is Jesus to the catholics? He's nothing compared to Mary! I've never even seen a catholic church named after Jesus, only Mary and all the saints. It is definitely a people-woshipping church.

Here's a lovely little Catholic Church named after Jesus the Christ
they even have a nice website
http://www.christtheking.org/
There are literally hundreds by this name on the web.

It's too bad that this is so rare that you even have to provide a picture of it as proof. In our city there's St. Mary's, St. Anthony's St. Mark's, and Nativity. Nothing about Christ in the names of the catholic churches in my city. And similarly, there are no Evangelical churches that are named after people.

 

[Lewis]

And I live in Philly, which is a big city with hundreds of churches and I mean hundreds,and hundreds, the first churches in America are here, and I have still never heard of one Catholic church here named after Jesus. And Philadelphia does not have a shortage of Catholic churches.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

And I live in Philly, which is a big city with hundreds of churches and I mean hundreds,and hundreds, the first churches in America are here, and I have still never heard of one Catholic church here named after Jesus. And Philadelphia does not have a shortage of Catholic churches.

I did a Google search, advanced preferences, exact phrase "Christ the King Catholic Church" and got 34,600 returns.
here
I did one for "Holy Spirit Catholic Church" and got 27,000 exact matches
here
That's just a quick Google. If I wanted to take the time to, I'd find a complete list of US parishes, and get the exact number of US parishes named after Jesus or Holy Spirit. But a quick scan indicates a "Christ the King" Catholic Church in just about every city-including several in Philly.

And this all serves as a metaphor for the two of you. Each of you are willing to make slanderous statements in ignorance, when the ability to confirm or refute your ideas is right at YOUR fingertips.
This includes the other Catholic issues that Heidi likes to rail on, even the fact that she keeps ragging me about my pope (we Orthodox don't have a pope).

Ignorance is a preventable disease.

Speaking of which-

It's too bad that this is so rare that you even have to provide a picture of it as proof. In our city there's St. Mary's, St. Anthony's St. Mark's, and Nativity. Nothing about Christ in the names of the catholic churches in my city. And similarly, there are no Evangelical churches that are named after people

70,000 exact matches is hardly what I would term 'rare.' There's probably a CtK Catholic Church on your very block, for all I know.
In my city, there are Lutheran Churches, Asbury Methodists, Wesleyan Methodists , non-Denoms named after their region of the city, Baptist Churches named after numbers, a Presbyterian Church named after its founder, and then there are them folks who have named themselves after a day of the week that they worship on.

I can also take you into the foyers of Evangelical Churches, where you find a nice photo of the Pastor....just in case you didn't figure out who he was during his 45 minute sermon.
But, unlike you, I don't base my opinion of Evangelicals on singular criteria so as I can dismiss them. Nor do I think Evangelicals worship their Pastors- they are just overly dependent upon them, by and large.

Now, I hope this comes across in the manner it was intended- not snide or condescending, but in the spirit of a fatherly rebuke. Please get your act together- you represent the name of Christ, and we are to study to show ourselves approved, not open our mouths in ignorance.

 

[thessalonian]

Masstimes.org shows the error of your words Lewis. Apparently you see what you want to see with regard to Catholicism. This listing below is just in Philedelphia, not the suburds in which I found a few as well. By the way, the most used Protestant Bible is named after a King, but not a Davidic one. Interesting. A bible with a man's name on it.


Ascension of Our Lord (215) 739-1670 ; Westmoreland and F Sts. Philadelphia PA 19134

Christ the King (215) 632-1144 Philadelphia PA 19114-1598 Miraculous Medal Novena, Tue: 7 p.m.

Christ the King (Ukrainian) (215) 455-2416 1629 W Cayuga St. Philadelphia PA 19140

Epiphany of Our Lord (215) 334-1035 11th. and Jackson Sts. S.W. corner Philadelphia PA 19148-3050 Morning Prayer, daily Rosary Prayer, Sat:

Holy Name of Jesus (215) 739-3960 Web Address Map Updated: 08/30/2004 , 8 AM to 8 PM ; 701 East Gaul St. Philadelphia PA 19125

Holy Redeemer[Chinese] (215) 922-0999 915 Vine St. Philadelphia PA 19107


Incarnation of Our Lord (215) 329-2320 N.E. corner of 5th. St. and Lindley Ave. Philadelphia PA 19120


Resurrection of Our Lord (215) 745-3211 Castor Avenue and Vista St Philadelphia PA 19152

Sacred Heart of Jesus (215) 462-4129 Web Address Map

Some named after the Holy Spirit as well


28 visits Holy Spirit (215) 334-4242 Web Address Map Updated: 08/30/2004
US; 1845 Hartranft St. Philadelphia PA 19145

94 visits Holy Trinity (215) 923-7930 6th. and Spruce Sts. Philadelphia PA 19106

15 visits Holy Trinity (Byzantine) (215) 548-2837 . St. Philadelphia PA 19126 (Call).

You bear false witness Lewis. An apology to the board should be forthcoming.

 

[thessalonian]

Heidi,

What city do you live in? If I might ask. If you don't want to give that info out it's okay. If it is of significant size, go on Masstimes.org and just list the parish names to prove you are correct. Lewis has been shown to have born false witness. I wouldn't want you to be guilty of the same.

Blessings

 

[Lewis]

Why should I say that I am sorry, because I said that (I never heard of any) ?

 

[thessalonian]

And that is just one church that you have found. I can tell you that there is not to many Catholic churches named after Jesus, and you can't prove me wrong, because I know that I am right.

Your answer is not unexpected. For it is full of venom. You've been proven wrong Lewis. I don't know how many ways a diocese can name churches after Christ without repeating, which they don't do. There is cordination among the names so that there are not duplicates in a diocese, unlike Protestant Churches.

Pull out your King James Bible Lewis. (Do you have any Redeemer or Savior Bibles Lewis :angel: ) Even that speaks about bearing false witness. That is your heart against the Catholic Church Lewis. You will speak against it at all cost. Truth is not that important. You could have checked out the Catholic Churches in your area before you posted. You have a phone book. Your culpable for distroting and creating false impressions in people's minds.