Hidden Message in Genesis 5!

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Better investigate it more closely. There are conflicts between the OP and the Hebrew definitions I found in Strong's and a couple other Hebrew dictionaries.

 

[reba]

Moving this thread

 

[Edward]

Better investigate it more closely. There are conflicts between the OP and the Hebrew definitions I found in Strong's and a couple other Hebrew dictionaries.

Now this is weird. I find conflict of meanings also. I have been to maybe a dozen different websites with Biblical names and meanings and hardly any of them agree on meanings and some of them aren't even listed at some sites. I do not know this pastors source for these meanings of names that he gave me, but I am going to try to find out. One would think that there would not be disagreement as to the meanings of names, they mean what they mean, right? Like I've always that Matthew meant "gift from God" but now, who knows? This is a little discouraging and I want to get to the bottom of it.

 

[Sparkey]

Looking for more of this, I've stumbled upon a You-Tube video that I'm linking and watching now...

[video=youtube;UxGLeux40RQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UxGLeux40RQ#![/video]

Variations of meanings may be due to research that includes differing languages, Latin, Hebrew, Aramaic, or even others? Unsure at this point. Still watching and learning here.

At the end, the video mentions an "Acrostic"

a·cros·tic /əˈkrôstik/
Noun
A poem, word puzzle, or other composition in which certain letters in each line form a word or words.
​

I've not yet searched for Part II.

Correction: Here is the Part II video:
[video=youtube;X1F6r1ZeJrc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1F6r1ZeJrc[/video]

 

[Edward]

That was fast. I suppose he has been asked what is his source(s) for his definitions of names before. I will post the links to his sources. This is a link to an online copy of the first one. The others I can not find online so posted the list of sources at the end.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Qi... Publications, Grand Rapids, MI 1990.&f=false

Jones, Alfred, Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names, Kregel Publications, Grand Rapids, MI 1990.
Pink, Arthur W., Gleanings in Genesis, Moody Bible Institute, Chicago, IL, 1992.
Stedman, Ray C., The Beginnings, Word Books, Waco, TX, 1978.

 

[Edward]

Looking for more of this, I've stumbled upon a You-Tube video that I'm linking and watching now...

[video=youtube;UxGLeux40RQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UxGLeux40RQ#![/video]

Variations of meanings may be due to research that includes differing languages, Latin, Hebrew, Aramaic, or even others? Unsure at this point. Still watching and learning here.

At the end, the video mentions an "Acrostic"

a·cros·tic /əˈkrôstik/
Noun
A poem, word puzzle, or other composition in which certain letters in each line form a word or words.
​

I've not yet searched for Part II.

Correction: Here is the Part II video:
[video=youtube;X1F6r1ZeJrc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1F6r1ZeJrc[/video]

Interesting. I'll look for part two also. (oh you found it!) Thanks.

 

[Edward]

I found this video and just watched part 1. This is some interesting stuff. They (NSA) have computers working on Bible codes and are learning all sorts of information! Here is part 1. (linked, I don't know how to embed videos yet) This is a must see!

Secrets of the Bible code Revealed Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXwBv3bXf1Q

I'm off to watch part two.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

[video=youtube;uXwBv3bXf1Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXwBv3bXf1Q[/video]

Embedding is easy. From YouTube, copy the URL, click on that little "film strip" icon on the text box we use for posts, paste the URL into the embedding window, go back to the "https://" and delete the "s" (this website won't recognize as yet secure videos, which is what the "s" means) and then click on the "Submit" button. Voila! Embedded video!

By the way, the so-called "Bible codes" are bogus.

 

[Bethany]

It's looking like some day we may understand, 'endless genealogies' and so much more.
This is so interesting. Thanks, Hawke

 

[Deborah13]

Interesting to be sure. I'd like to add this. When J. Prince was in Israel he went to a Hebrew institue there, I can't remember the name. It was like a musuem/university if I remember correctly. Anyway, they showed them a harp like one King David would have used. It has 22 strings each one representing a letter of the Hebrew alphabet. He asked them if anyone had try playing the Psalms on it. He said they told him they did think anyone had ever thought of trying it. On I'm so curious about that! What would they sound like and where could I get the sheet music if they did it?

 

[Ryan]

My bad, after watching those videos I erred when I said every 7th letter. It was every 7x7 letter that spelt Torh if I remember the video right. I didn't have my sources handy when I posted.

IMHO I believe whatever bible codes, or whatever you want to call them will play some role at the dawn of this age. Not sure what it is though. Just a hunch. God's Word is alive and active and is sharper then any two edged sword. I think we've only cracked the service of understanding the layers of God's Word.

Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.

1 Peter 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

 

[Edward]

I noticed that Ryan. I figured as much, that you didn't have your notes or was going from memory. You had it right except for the number count so I felt it was moot. Your point was right on the money.

TND, you seem to speak with a lot of confidence with your statement. How do you know for sure?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

TND, you seem to speak with a lot of confidence with your statement. How do you know for sure?

Mainly because someone did the same thing with Moby Dick. Do you think Melville's work is "inspired"?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdul-rahman_klimaszewski/more_bible_codes_fraud.htm

Here's just a few

Same thing with Lincoln and Kennedy, as you will see by clicking on the link. You can do it with any book. You just have to decide in advance what you want it to say, and then find a way to say it that appears to be a "randomly established" pattern.

Jewish mathematicians allegedly "discovered" this "code" in the book of Genesis. There are two problems with their methods, though.

(1) There are several other Hebrew versions of Genesis for which the method does not produce statistically significant results.
(2) The appellations given to the Great Men in Israel was inconsistent and arbitrary; in other words, they don't necessarily say what they are said to say.

 

[Edward]

They talk about that in the video and debunk it as a fraud. They did the same with War & Peace too. There's all sorts of people trying to discredit this and they aren't really doing a good job at it. Even just the way that Torh is spelled out in Genesis AND Exodus brings the odd of it happening by chance at 10, 000, 000 to 1. Then to add Deuteronomy & Numbers to it also makes it infinitesimal .

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

They talk about that in the video and debunk it as a fraud. They did the same with War & Peace too. There's all sorts of people trying to discredit this and they aren't really doing a good job at it. Even just the way that Torh is spelled out in Genesis AND Exodus brings the odd of it happening by chance at 10, 000, 000 to 1. Then to add Deuteronomy & Numbers to it also makes it infinitesimal .

Actually, the proof the "odds" aren't nearly that high is in the fact that Moby Dick and War and Peace can be made to "produce secrets" in the same way. Putting huge masses of letters together in proximity makes it nearly impossible not to come up with "hidden messages."

 

[Edward]

But none of the messages that are being found attack the doctrine of Christianity, so I'm not sure what bad there is in searching for the codes?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

But none of the messages that are being found attack the doctrine of Christianity, so I'm not sure what bad there is in searching for the codes?

There isn't any "revelation" in these supposed codes, either. Everything they've published is stuff relating to recent history, like the assassinations I listed and other more or less current events. Ironically, while there are some speculations about using the "code" to predict the future, the one widely known effort to do that failed miserably. The "codes" said Romney would be elected.

My belief is that these mathematicians are looking for patterns in the "codes" and the only pattern they can discern is information already known, such as the assassinations and such. Therefore, they slip and slide these paper strips around the cylinders until they see a "pattern" and then write it down. Most of them are kind of like Nostradamus "predictions" too -- just vague enough they might or might not fit, so they make 'em fit.

 

[Edward]

Oh you're just being skeptical. I'm going to keep an open mind about it. Because people will try to discredit it, or look for weird things is kind of typical of man. It surely doesn't mean that the bible is not true, or inspired, or anything like that. Scripture does say that knowledge will be increased in the last days so how do we know what may fall out of it. The whole drive behind it seems to be to bring validation to the bible and I see no harm in that.

 

[Ryan]

But none of the messages that are being found attack the doctrine of Christianity, so I'm not sure what bad there is in searching for the codes?

The harm would be when doctrines are created as a result of "codes" if that's what you want to call them. With God, there is no such thing as coincidences. We just have to be mindful of what we are ingesting and to always prove all things. I see absolutely nothing wrong in burying deep into the scripture and language to find other nuggets of "wow, that is amazing!" Maybe it might lead an unbeliever to The Lord.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Oh you're just being skeptical. I'm going to keep an open mind about it.

You speak of "skepticism" and "having an open mind" as though they are mutually exclusive. They are not. Skepticism is a health attribute when exploring any avenue of faith or knowledge.

It surely doesn't mean that the bible is not true, or inspired, or anything like that.

You realize that the Bible confirms itself without having any "hidden messages" that don't really add anything to message of God regarding who He is and why He loves us, right?

Scripture does say that knowledge will be increased in the last days so how do we know what may fall out of it.

You have a citation for that? Because I'm not familiar with anywhere in the Bible saying knowledge will be "increased."

The whole drive behind it seems to be to bring validation to the bible and I see no harm in that.

Or perhaps the "whole drive behind it" is to distract unbelievers from the plainly visible truth contained in Scripture without having to look for "secret messages" or "hidden passageways."