Homosexuality , Again, Just leave it alone.

[SputnikBoy]

Thanks, just please don't try to convert me or bash me in the head with a bible, I already know where I stand.

....No pressure at all 'itysa', my door is open to you if you ever decide to visit. I hope you don't get sucked into these endless arguments, they aren't producing anything but fighting.

That's nice of you, destiny, but I can't quite figure you out. Are there two of you on the forum? The 'fighting' as you call it is not provoked by those who empathize with those who are being condemned. I personally wish that we all could get along with each other.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Can I drop in with one quick note?

Anyone can read the Bible and see what is written. The Bible makes it rather clear that homsexuality is a sin. With that truth, I will always stand as I will always try to stand with God before man.

However, as some have pointed out, there are many other sins that scripture clearly denounces. Lust, hate for a creation of God, theft, self-righteoussness, and the list goes on. The Bible also teaches that at the moment you commit one sin, no matter what it is, you become a guilty sinner. We all fall under this catagory.

Christ is the only thing that can prevent our sin from separating us from God. A homosexual is just as eligable for this forgiveness as a rapist, murderer, or liar.

With this said, Christians have one responsibility, teach others of this truth. I think that when Christians start preaching repentance instead of the constant condemnation, we may become more effective servants of Christ. As much as we'd like to think otherwise, Christ Alone can change a sinners heart.

Remember this: We may be the tool God uses to spread His truth, but that doesn't mean we have the right to add to His message. 8-)

 

[Merry Menagerie]

At the end of the day, homosexuality is a sin (but so are a lot of things) and we have the right to say so, however there's a difference between making judgements on the action itself and making judgements on the person. The bible says we can make judgements on actions but not on the people themselves.

For me, it goes like this. Yes, homosexuality is a sin and there is nothing that anyone can say that will change that fact and nothing that anyone can say that will change my mind...it's wrong! However, I do NOT have the right to judge homosexuals or persecute them in any way. I should be showing the love of God towards them like I would to any one else and give them the respect of a fellow human being without fear of being judged.

 

[bibleberean]

I agree! Homosexuality is a sin and a homsexual can be saved from this miserable lifestyle.

Amen!

As I have posted multiple times in all the threads dealing with this dangerous and pervese lifestyle...

But no matter how great the sin God will forgive a broken and contrite heart.

Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

I don't want anyone to think that God will not forgive any sin.

He will. We need to turn to Him with all our hearts and ask Him for strength to overcome our weakness and proclivity towards sin.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

God will forgive us. He will forgive anyone.

Heaven rejoices over a sinner who repents no matter what that sin is...

Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

God loves us and is long suffering towards us. He will cleanse the thief the drunk the liar the homosexual the whoremonger the drug addict.

Why should we neglect to turn to a God who was willing to die for us.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

There is hope for us all through the grace of God or I know I won't be in heaven.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Some sins are worse than others but the wages of all sin is death...

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I would encourage anyone who has not repented and believed the gospel to turn to Christ while there is still time.

There is a grand future to those who turn to Jesus.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

This life is a vapour consider Christ and His love.

In His service,

Robert

 

[Merry Menagerie]

What I want to know is, why do people have such a hard time dealing with talking about homosexuality and it being a sin? After all, if we were talking about how murder is a sin and how horrible it was then no one would be jumping up and down saying 'don't judge me' would they? And yet, we see here when we mention Homosexuality as a sin everyone gets their knickers in a twist.

Homosexuality is a sin
Murder is a sin
Lying is a sin
Adultery is a sin
Fornication is a sin

BIG DEAL!!! There is a way out of sin you know...Christ! Let's talk about Jesus and the answer to all sin and be done with it ;)

 

[AHIMSA]

What I want to know is, why do people have such a hard time dealing with talking about homosexuality and it being a sin? After all, if we were talking about how murder is a sin and how horrible it was then no one would be jumping up and down saying 'don't judge me' would they? And yet, we see here when we mention Homosexuality as a sin everyone gets their knickers in a twist.

Essentially, you are over simplifying. Obviously there are others who do not see things so plainly. Lying...murder...adultery. These sins have obvious victims and a non-religious morality is able to lable them as morally wrong because we can see how they hurt people. when it comes to homosexuality there are many people who are much happier loving someone of the same-sex. The logic as to why it is a sin is not so clear. God calls it an abomination, but why? How can we justify making others miserable be preventing them from engaging in these relationships, can it be demonstrated that they will all be happier for it? It depends on what you define as happiness.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin. The bible says so. When I have a bad thought about someone, it doesn't hurt anyone else but it's a sin also.

But there is an answer though - Jesus!

 

[Solo]

24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; 25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. 27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. Hebrews 11:24-27

 

[SputnikBoy]

Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin. The bible says so. When I have a bad thought about someone, it doesn't hurt anyone else but it's a sin also.

Menag ...one question. Are you heterosexual? If the answer is "yes", then what is it about you that makes you heterosexual? You'll notice that I didn't ask you whether or not you're a murderer, or a thief, or an adulterer. I asked if you're a heterosexual. I hope this doesn't embarrass you but would you mind answering the question?

 

[bibleberean]

These sins have obvious victims and a non-religious morality is able to lable them as morally wrong because we can see how they hurt people. when it comes to homosexuality there are many people who are much happier loving someone of the same-sex.

Love does not harm another person.

Marriage is a God given institution that sanctifies the sexual relationship between a man and a woman.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

It is not wrong for a man to love another man.

I love my son's, godly men, friends etc. but I don't have to pervert the relationship by defiling them through lust.

The truth always comes out. The homosexual is really concerned with having illicit sex. They want people to tell them that this practice is good and that there is nothing wrong with the burning lust they have towards the same sex. Even if every man and woman on earth said it is alright for men and women to practice this evil it will not make it right.

God loves us and does not want us to be hurt by our actions.

Trusting in God and not leaning on our own often times distorted logic is what we should be doing.

Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

HIV and myriad a of health and moral problems are associated with same sex and fornication with the opposite sex.

Where are the victims?

Abortion, broken homes, betrayed children and spouses, STD's, children born infected with disease, moral decay, the breakdown of family and there are no victims?

Hogwash!

This is not an issue about who is right but what is right!

 

[itoldyounoalready]

Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean you're not saved.....

 

[SputnikBoy]

Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean you're not saved.....

What say, BB? ...Solo?

 

[itoldyounoalready]

I know it's like hitting a hornet's nest, but I couldn't help but say it, I'm probably going to be bombarded with a whole lot of biblical texts, and criticism

 

[pfilmtech]

BB you keep saying homoseuxlaity is only about sex. Care to back that up with something?

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin. The bible says so. When I have a bad thought about someone, it doesn't hurt anyone else but it's a sin also.

Menag ...one question. Are you heterosexual? If the answer is "yes", then what is it about you that makes you heterosexual? You'll notice that I didn't ask you whether or not you're a murderer, or a thief, or an adulterer. I asked if you're a heterosexual. I hope this doesn't embarrass you but would you mind answering the question?

Huh?

oookay Yes I am heterosexual and I know I am because I lust after men (one man in particular ;) ) and not women.

And why didn't you ask if I was a murderer? or a theif etc etc?

 

[SputnikBoy]

Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean you're not saved.....

Thankfully, ityna, none of us on this forum are God and none of us can speak for Him ...even though some DO try! My take on this entire issue is as one on the sidelines looking on. I DO know that there are those whose sexual orientations for the same gender were not consciously asked for by that individual. The same as heterosexuals, I guess. Based on that fact alone I can't allow myself to stand in judgment of homosexual people by virtue of their genetics or to throw 'appropriate' scriptures of condemnation at them. I just won't do it.

Some of my past sins are surely worse than two people of the same gender 'making out'. Some of my present sins could be also. The biggest sin in Christianity today is probably the sin of pride even though 99% of all Christians who partake of that sin don't even apply it to themselves. Fortunately for ALL of us, God won't be paying any attention to one human being condemning another human being to hell. He's the one who will be doing the judging ...thank God!

God knows you, ityna, better than anyone else on this forum. Perhaps the condition of the heart will be what he pays more attention to than one's sexual orientation. He will, no doubt, understand and possibly even make allowances for one's genetic makeup which could be making life more difficult for those people. He will surely know how some struggle with these issues of sexuality that may well be above and beyond their own choosing.

Even though Christians have made a hobby out of painting homosexuals as depraved members of our society, the facts are that sexual immorality is PREDOMINANTLY a heterosexual sin. And, it would seem to me that sexual immorality is more an issue to God than one's sexual 'orientation'. I think you can rest assured, ityna, that God will be the final judge based on absolutely fair and just 'criteria'.

 

[bibleberean]

Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean you're not saved.....

Any sinner can be saved. It is possible that a person who has fallen back into a particular sin is saved.

It is also possible that a person who loves and defends a particular sin such as fornication was not saved in the first place.

I would wonder about how genuine someones salvation is if they not only practice sin but defend their sins and stand against the scriptures.

One thing is certain.

A Christian should not support or associate with any person that remains defiantly in sin.

No one "called a brother" that is involved in promoting and practicing homosexual or any other wicked behaviour should be fellowshipped with.

I am not speaking for God because God has clearly spoken already on this subject in His word. :D

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

The sin of fornication is wrong.

1 Corinthians 5:1-2 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

 

[Drew]

One thing is certain.

A Christian should not support or associate with any person that remains defiantly in sin.

Greetings BB:

Does this statement also apply to those Christians who possess wealth while at the same time knowing that others in our world die for lack of the basics? I think I know how you feel about this, but I ask the question for all to consider.

 

[bibleberean]

BB you keep saying homoseuxlaity is only about sex. Care to back that up with something?

I have backed this up. Over and over again... :roll:

...Marriage is a God given institution that sanctifies the sexual relationship between a man and a woman.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

It is not wrong for a man to love another man.

I love my son's, godly men, friends etc. but I don't have to pervert the relationship by defiling them through lust.

The truth always comes out. The homosexual is really concerned with having illicit sex. They want people to tell them that this practice is good and that there is nothing wrong with the burning lust they have towards the same sex. Even if every man and woman on earth said it is alright for men and women to practice this evil it will not make it right.

God loves us and does not want us to be hurt by our actions.

Trusting in God and not leaning on our own often times distorted logic is what we should be doing.

Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death....

Two people of the same sex can have affection for one another and have a deep relationship without being perverted about it.

Merriam Webster's dicitionary...

ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex

Is this rocket science?

 

[bibleberean]

One thing is certain.

A Christian should not support or associate with any person that remains defiantly in sin.

Greetings BB:

Does this statement also apply to those Christians who possess wealth while at the same time knowing that others in our world die for lack of the basics? I think I know how you feel about this, but I ask the question for all to consider.

Hi Drew,

I understand your torment.

I certainly think that applies to you.

I think you should sell your computer and everything you own exept for one set of clothes give all the proceeds to the poor and then see if you have the inner peace you are so desperately seeking.

May God strengthen you to practice what you preach.

You have my support.

God bless you,

Robert