Homosexuality and Obesity?

[Asaph]

A loving parent does not sit and do nothing as he watches his child wander onto the street in front of the house and call it "tolerance". Neither would the neighbor of the parent sit and watch such a thing happen without interviening.

Both would leap from their comfey chairs and make a mad dash to prevent that toddler from injuring himself.

God has clearly shown us the "freeway" that runs headlong in this world. He has not asked us to rename that freeway and act as if it is not harmful. He only asks us to snatch back the babies.

That cannot happen without truely loving and accepting the babies as our own personal responsibility. It will not happen unless our entire motivation is Love.

Anything less is ignorance of who God is.

Anything more is religion.

Yet there is a place in God, where the rivers won't run dry.

I don't like being ignored. :-D

 

[bibleberean]

That's because you're both equating the homosexual predisposition with sin.

No, I am equating the practice of sexual perversion or lusting in ones heart to have sex with the same gender as sin.

Homosexuality.

Main Entry: ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex

People that practice this perversion are sinners.

That is what the bible says and I am simply agreeing with it.

All else is hogwash...

Don't steal and you won't be a thief.

Don't cheat on your wife and you won't be an adulterer.

Don't get drunk and you won't be a drunkard.

Don't cavort with prostitutes and you won't be a whoremonger.

Don't practice homosexuality and you wont' be a pervert.

Don't eat too much and you won't be a glutton.

Don't lie and you won't be a liar.

Don't blame it on predispostion don't do it!

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[SputnikBoy]

[quote="Lyric's Dad":93b98]What is it that the unregenerate judgmental person needs? Salvation

What is it that the regenerate judgmental person needs? Repentance.

We could also remove the word Judgmental and replace it with a thousand others but for some reason people can only think of homosexuals. I guess it makes their own sins seem trivial to them. I wonder if God sees it that way? Okay, I lied (insert liar in the text) and don't wonder about this at all. I know that God is offended by judgmentalism.

God is not offended by calling a sin a sin.

Calling homosexuality sin is not being judgemental.

A person has to be "judgemental" by their own definition to state that calling homosexuality perversion is a sin.

How judgemental... :roll:

Amen. Personally, I thought I had given it a well balance, rightly divided, biblical treatment devoid of personal judgementalizim and full of the Love God has for sinners of any type. Oh well, I guess not.

I thought your post was excellent. The issue isn't that we pick on homosexuality but that the opposition wants to silence us in to keeping quiet.

Not happening. 8-)

That's because you're both equating the homosexual predisposition with sin. Your knowledge about the human condition is limited to one book that does NOT have all the answers. A homosexual orientation is no more a sin than is a heterosexual orientation. Both types of people, however, are capable of sinning. See, I can be just as much the expert as you guys. Feel free to prove me wrong if you feel you can.

Not only that, since you are both sinners yourselves (the Bible tells me that no one is righteous), neither one of you can afford to point the finger at anyone else. But ...as long as you're both so bent on reforming sinners, you might be better off leaving this topic alone and concentrating more as to how you can eliminate sin from your own lives. It can't do any harm, can it? Just a thought.

First, stop inserting your own posts inside of the quotes. Be a man and stand on your own post.

Huh? Inserting my posts outside of the quotes will make me a man? Well, okay.

Neither one of us has said anything except what the word of God says. It says clearly and without any refutation that homosexuality is a sin.

No it doesn't. You only read it that way.

God did not make man that way.

Not that I'm equating homosexuality with a 'disorder' but, for argument's sake, does God not 'make' babies with 'Down's Syndrome?

God did not ordain that any of man should be that way.

Because God doesn't 'make' a person to begin with.

You have not one single biblical reason to think that God ever made even one man a homosexual, so you are lying from the start.

Am I? Okay.

So now you are not only trying to justify sin, but you are lying too.

Am I? Okay.

Guess what? That makes you a sinner and a prime candidate for salvation. Woohoo! Accept Jesus into your life and you will get saved too!!!!!....... :D

Get a hold of yourself man!

Sorry..........I got excited about you getting saved. :D

Why, thank you. I appreciate that! Now settle down and concentrate on your own plank. I acknowledge that I'm a wretched sinner.[/quote:93b98]

 

[bibleberean]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Message to Paul from the modern excuse making Christian.

Well, Paul concentrate on pulling the plank out of your eye before you start concentrating on the sins of others. My bible says "all have sinned" so maybe you should stop preaching against sin and get your own house in order.

Oh... and it's okay for me to point out your sin of pride and arrogance you big fraud! That's right Mr. thinks he's perfect! I can tell you to repent but when it comes to me and my sins... butt out!

 

[Asaph]

Are there really people so enured by iniquity that they propose that homosexual acts are not sin?

Folks, we do have a bible. It's fairly clear that it's a sin. Sorry that doesn't float your boat, but it is fact.

Queers are queer because God says so, not because I say so.

If you need a comparison, adulterers are adulterers. The bible is very clear there too.

So you see. Spade a spade. ace and ace, etc...

This is not rocket science.

 

[SputnikBoy]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Message to Paul from the modern excuse making Christian.

Well, Paul concentrate on pulling the plank out of your eye before you start concentrating on the sins of others. My bible says "all have sinned" so maybe you should stop preaching against sin and get your own house in order.

Oh... and it's okay for me to point out your sin of pride and arrogance you big fraud! That's right Mr. thinks he's perfect! I can tell you to repent but when it comes to me and my sins... butt out!

Excuse me? Where did that come from and to whom is it aimed?

 

[bibleberean]

Message to Paul from the modern excuse making Christian.

 

[bibleberean]

Don't steal and you won't be a thief.

Don't cheat on your wife and you won't be an adulterer.

Don't get drunk and you won't be a drunkard.

Don't cavort with prostitutes and you won't be a whoremonger.

Don't practice homosexuality and you wont' be a pervert.

Don't eat too much and you won't be a glutton.

Don't lie and you won't be a liar.

Don't blame it on predispostion don't do it!

Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Todays modern Christian will use the argument to stop people from saying that sexual relations with the same sex is wrong and should be repented from by saying that anyone with any sin at all in their life has no right to point their fingers at others.

What kind of logic is that?

The scripture states.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Does this mean that no one is qualified to say that stealing, adultery, murder, and rape is wrong? After all there is none good, all have sinned.

 

[another dave]

demons

be aware of demons whispering lies


Believe in the LORD JESUS CHRIST and you shall be saved



listen to your heart


listen to GOD

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Don't steal and you won't be a thief.

Don't cheat on your wife and you won't be an adulterer.

Don't get drunk and you won't be a drunkard.

Don't cavort with prostitutes and you won't be a whoremonger.

Don't practice homosexuality and you wont' be a pervert.

Don't eat too much and you won't be a glutton.

Don't lie and you won't be a liar.

Don't blame it on predispostion don't do it!

Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Todays modern Christian will use the argument to stop people from saying that sexual relations with the same sex is wrong and should be repented from by saying that anyone with any sin at all in their life has no right to point their fingers at others.

What kind of logic is that?

The scripture states.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Does this mean that no one is qualified to say that stealing, adultery, murder, and rape is wrong? After all there is none good, all have sinned.

This is not a matter of discerning sin. It is a matter of doing it in the love and admonition of the Lord and not doing it in a way that is slanderous and demeaning. Telling someone that God loves them but that He wants something better for them and cannot accept sin is a far cry from calling them names.

 

[SputnikBoy]

The scripture states.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Does this mean that no one is qualified to say that stealing, adultery, murder, and rape is wrong? After all there is none good, all have sinned.

What I DO see this as saying is ...don't choose to target one particular group of people for their sins to the exclusion of your own. I see a huge lack of one particular Christian ingredient in your posts, BB.

 

[Gary]

This is not a matter of discerning sin. It is a matter of doing it in the love and admonition of the Lord and not doing it in a way that is slanderous and demeaning. Telling someone that God loves them but that He wants something better for them and cannot accept sin is a far cry from calling them names.

So exactly how would you tell a practicing homosexual who does not accept that the the Bible is the Word of God that God has something better for them and cannot accept sin?

:-?

 

[Windozer]

So exactly how would you tell a practicing homosexual who does not accept that the Bible is the Word of God that God has something better for them and cannot accept sin? :-?

There is no shortage of practicing homosexuals that accepts that the Bible is the Word of God. Just as we have here... they interpret the scripture different than many here.

Care to start with them?

 

[Gary]

Care to start with them?

No. I have asked a very specific question to Lyric's Dad.

:D

 

[Lyric's Dad]

This is not a matter of discerning sin. It is a matter of doing it in the love and admonition of the Lord and not doing it in a way that is slanderous and demeaning. Telling someone that God loves them but that He wants something better for them and cannot accept sin is a far cry from calling them names.

So exactly how would you tell a practicing homosexual who does not accept that the the Bible is the Word of God that God has something better for them and cannot accept sin?

:-?

I choose to let God tell them. I feel it better to let them know about the love God has for them and lead them into a relationship with Him. God will convict of sin. I did not have to have someone sit me down and tell me everything that God did not like in my life. My relationship to Him and reading His Word was enough to do that. The Holy Ghost has the job of convicting. I am only here to tell people about God and the wonderous thing He has done for us by sending His Son to die for our sins. God will let them know what those are.

I can guarantee though that no homosexual will be drawn to God through someones chanting "pervert, sodomite, sicko" at them. Nobody is drawn to love through hateful tactics.

 

[bibleberean]

To leave out how God loves is not very Christ like.

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God daleth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

We are to preach against sin not gloss it over or ignore it.

Leaving out what is sin is not love it is a gross omission.

That type of love leaves men uninformed of what God's word says about sin and it's consequences.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

If a Christian chooses to be silent while people live in such danger then shame on them.

 

[D46]

There is no shortage of practicing homosexuals that accepts that the Bible is the Word of God. Just as we have here... they interpret the scripture different than many here.

They don't accept God's word or they would get out of that cesspool of perversion and change their lilves unless they just conveniently overlooked scripture on those that practice such things.

1Corinthians 6:9 (KJV) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Revelation 21:8 (KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Telling someone that God loves them but that He wants something better for them and cannot accept sin is a far cry from calling them names.

Jesus sure didn't mince words did he? How about fornicators, adulterers, generation of vipers, fools and blind, hypocrits. If he didn't have a problem with putting a name to those that practiced such things, why do you? I think you like a "Love Gospel" more than Jesus' Gospel. Want to hear some real name calling by our Saviour? Read the 23rd Chapter of Matthew as he addressed the Pharisees. However, since you don't like having the Catholics "picked on" I can see you contempt for those who place a tag on homosexuals (queers). God didn't make anyone like this...they choose this lifestyle and if they plan on being Heaven bound they had best change their act! Forgiveness is for all, but; God won't tolerate a continued lifestyle contrary to his plan which wasn't Adam and Steve.

 

[Asaph]

I see an unsaved blind man walking towards a thousand foot cliff. I run up to him and frantically tell him about the love of Jesus, and how he can be saved right now merely by accepting the forgiveness of sin that has already been provided for him. The man is convicted and accepts Jesus as his Lord and Saviour.

As I walk away smug in the notion that all I did was present the Love of God to him, I wonder if true Love would have told him about the cliff too.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

To leave out how God loves is not very Christ like.

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God daleth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye sweethearts, and not sons.

We are to preach against sin not gloss it over or ignore it.

Leaving out what is sin is not love it is a gross omission.

That type of love leaves men uninformed of what God's word says about sin and it's consequences.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

If a Christian chooses to be silent while people live in such danger then shame on them.

Precisely why I see no merit in further discussion. Clanging cymbals.

 

[bibleberean]

To leave out how God loves is not very Christ like.

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God daleth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye sweethearts, and not sons.

We are to preach against sin not gloss it over or ignore it.

Leaving out what is sin is not love it is a gross omission.

That type of love leaves men uninformed of what God's word says about sin and it's consequences.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

If a Christian chooses to be silent while people live in such danger then shame on them.

Precisely why I see no merit in further discussion. Clanging cymbals.

You keep saying that you are finished with this discussion but here you are clanging away. :