Homosexuality and Obesity?

[Windozer]

Well thank you Robert. "God bless you too".

Jesus called this woman a "dog" and she handled it very well.

That is not the way I see it... It was not her who was filled with evil. And there was probably some truth to the message he gave that was recognizable to the woman.

In any event that is pretty mild compared to the words you have chosen to use. It would be pretty hard to class what Jesus said as slander, being as it takes some interpretation to come to the conclusion you have arrived at. Where no, interpretation is required to understand your intent.

These people came to be baptized by John and he called them "vipers". And the people handled it well.

A Viper is a vicious or treacherous person. Something Slanderous about that? There was likely some truth to that.

(edited out-Rule 3 - Personel conflicts

Jesus and John the baptist called sinners to repentance and that is what we should do.

Excuse me Robert? But what did you call them? I think you want to give them the boot? You don't even want to talk to them? You have said that in your opinion these threads should be locked?

(edited out-Rule 3 - Personel conflicts

I know of one Church whose pastor is (married to a woman for 30 some years) and is a bisexual trans-gendered person (and makes no bones about it) That invites all kind of people to their church. This pastor lives full time as a woman, but has not had any operations and does not plan to. This church is in the USA. These are the kind of churches that the people you think you are giving the boot to go too. The odd one might pop in here to give you a hard time, but they are not interested in you or your church. They are only interested in telling you that you are wrong.

You do not need to call them names. All you need to do is let them know that you (or your church) will not support homosexuality etc. as being anything other than a sin. And they will not come near your door step.

They don't need to they can find other places to worship their God.

So Robert I need To ask you: What's up with the big smoke screen Doc?

 

[Windozer]

I missed reading some posts here. I will respond to them in this post. in no particular order.

1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

It is easy to believe that grace would help one stand up under it. Note it does not say get rid of it.

And I have no case to rest, no hidden agenda. I like to let the scripture do the talking as much as possible. With out my interpretation of it. I have sort of let myself get drawn into something here that I will not continue to participate in. I am not here to argue over different interpretations of scripture. One can go around in circles for ever... Getting now where.

I am at peace with how I understand what the Bible says, albeit very different in some places than the way Robert understands it. But I will leave it there.

[quote:9e390]You would rather give the lost sheep the boot.

That is a lie... I would rather see lost sheep repent.[/quote:9e390]

I was referring to your comment that you would give homosexuals the boot from your church. Are they not lost sheep.

infirmity
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1 a : the quality or state of being infirm b : the condition of being feeble : FRAILTY
2 : DISEASE, MALADY
3 : a personal failing

There is nothing personal about any of this from my point of view. I love God first and would not trade him for anything in this world. (My life depends on him) Second to that I love myself and am pleased with what God has done in my life. Next to that I love you all.

God bless.

 

[bibleberean]

I was referring to your comment that you would give homosexuals the boot from your church. Are they not lost sheep.

Unrepentant and practicing sinners are not welcome in the church.

At least not in an obedient biblical church

Jesus came to call sinners to repentance not to support them in their sins.

This is what I wrote.

If some "slime ball" come into the church and says I am a pornographer, adulterer and homosexual and I am here to say that there is nothing wrong with it then that person should be put out of the church.

This is exactly what the bible says we are to do.


1 Corinthians 5:11-13 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

This is the word of God. It is not my "interpretation" or my "opinion".

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Sinners that repent are welcome in the church not people who refuse to repent.

 

[Vic C.]

I know of one Church whose pastor is (married to a woman for 30 some years) and is a bisexual trans-gendered person (and makes no bones about it) That invites all kind of people to their church. This pastor lives full time as a woman, but has not had any operations and does not plan to. This church is in the USA. These are the kind of churches that the people you think you are giving the boot to go too. The odd one might pop in here to give you a hard time, but they are not interested in you or your church. They are only interested in telling you that you are wrong.

I try to stay out of the thick of these sort of debates, but the above comment stood out like a boil on my nose.

They are interested in telling us we are wrong?? :-? :o

Let the apostasy begin. Oh wait, it already has. :

 

[Windozer]

I know of one Church whose pastor is (married to a woman for 30 some years) and is a bisexual trans-gendered person (and makes no bones about it) That invites all kind of people to their church. This pastor lives full time as a woman, but has not had any operations and does not plan to. This church is in the USA. These are the kind of churches that the people you think you are giving the boot to go too. The odd one might pop in here to give you a hard time, but they are not interested in you or your church. They are only interested in telling you that you are wrong.

I try to stay out of the thick of these sort of debates, but the above comment stood out like a boil on my nose.

They are interested in telling us we are wrong?? :-? :o

Let the apostasy begin. Oh wait, it already has. :

Hi Vic and you all,

The apostasy started a long time ago. remember they killed Jesus. Not much has changed since then has it. I spent about two years on a web site, that is set up as a support group for these kind of people. It is very hard to get around the sin issue with them. How ever I was able to help some of them. Albeit very few.

I have added that to show you where I am coming from. Had I chosen to call them the kind of names that they have been called here, I would have been as ineffective as Robert is with these kind of people. One thing I think christians need to recognize is that "lost sheep" come with a lot of baggage.

I also sponsored prison inmates for a number of years (through a christian organization) The first thing I had to learn is that these people are not going to meet me where I am at. They can't. So if I am going to be useful I need to meet them where they are at. I was also able to help some of them, but it served more as a training ground, that enabled me to help those I have referred to above.

 

[Windozer]

Robert,

I am not about to continue going around in circles with you here.

Unrepentant and practicing sinners are not welcome in the church.

Oh yes they are. When a person receives Jesus they are not made perfect on the turn of a dime. They are added to the church as they are, (warts and all) and as they mature in Christ they become freer and freer from sin as they grow. For some this can take years.

At least not in an obedient biblical church

Hey Robert if you find such a church don't join it you will ruin it. As would I.

Jesus came to call sinners to repentance not to support them in their sins.

Robert... At what age does a child be come mature?
Robert... At what age does a child of God become mature?
Robert... what is the churches role with a child of God during that time?

Robert... Ten years or so after I became a Christian I became aware of sin in my life that I did not previously know was there, and repented. And that has happened on more than one occasion. It is an ongoing proceeder.

An entirely obedient church does not exist, just as an entirely obedient family does does not exist. Especially in a healthy church where new babies are continuously being added. they need time to grow.

An entirely obedient church is a fantasy.

 

[Vic C.]

I aplaud your efforts in reaching the lost, but how can someone be truely effective in reaching the lost when they are still wallowing in their own sin? How can a self-professed bisexual be a teacher of God's Word if they refuse to leave theor baggage at the foot of the Cross? Do they not understand the redemptive powers of the shed blood of Christ? What ever happenned to Romans 12:2?

And be not conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what is the good and pleasing and perfect will of God. (LITV)

I "bet' you will never find that Pastor doing a sermon on Romans 1 either.

No hate in my words or heart... just complete confusion. :-?

 

[Windozer]

Hi Vic.

I understand your confusion, and my heart goes out to you.

That pastor was a pastor in another church, who was given the boot after he voluntarily told them about who and what he was.

I am sending you a link via. PM. It is an evangelical news letter, put out by the trans-gender community, that might give you some more insight as to what they are about. If you are interested. It might serve to answer some of your questions.

I have not read all of it, and do not support all of what they say from what little of it I have read. But it will help to show you what is out there.

I am not sure if you would appreciate me posting it on the forum?

In closing Vic I want to thank you for not restricting free speech on your forum. It is one of the things that attracted me to this sight.

If you have any more questions please feel free to ask.

God Bless you all.

 

[bibleberean]

I support and pray for churches that obey the scriptures and separate from hereticks and apostates.

Titus 3:10-11 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

I will not fellowship with churches that won't.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

 

[Windozer]

I will not fellowship with churches that won't.

That is simply your choice and your right Robert, and probably a very wise decision on your part.

But tell me something... what is leading you to believe they would want you to?
What are you proving or accomplishing by that?
They would likely be as inclined as you are... to give you the boot. In fact (if you tried to) you might even make their day.

I can't quite really picture that one Robert. To many of them would likely want to get at you.

 

[Solo]

The preaching of the Word of God is that which delivers individuals from their sins. They refuse to believe because they do not want to give up their sins. When God draws sinners to himself through Jesus Christ, he does so with his Word, and that Word is what is believed, bringing the lost to redemption through the blood of Christ.

The prophets of God did not tiptoe around sin to declare the righteousness of God, nor did Jesus teach individuals to continue in their sin. Jesus taught sinners to go and sin no more. Today's political correct crowd believe in a liberal understanding of Christianity and it is apostate. BibleBerean speaks the Word of God in love and refuses to give satan a place in his preaching and teaching.

Sinners will not see the truth until God draws them, and God will not draw them with the words that cater to their sin. Only those who are drawn to the truth of God's Word will see the truth.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 John 1:5-7

 

[bibleberean]

You won't find me in a church that allows homosexuals as pastors.

If I attend a church that decides to allow these types of sin I will leave.

Some churches use the word "diversity" to permit fornication in the church.

The word that should be used is "perversity".

They even like to "celebrate" it. :smt078


Ephesians 5:11-12 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Acts 20:29-30 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

People that preach peversity are perverts.

Merriam Webster

Main Entry: 1per·vert

1 a : to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true or morally right

Many people think it is wrong (not Politically correct) to call someone a pervert.

That is exactly what a preacher and or practitioner of ungodly behaviour is a pervert.

 

[Windozer]

You won't find me in a church that allows homosexuals as pastors.

I put it to you that you have been in such a church. I put it to you that you will be in such a church again. As you have no way of knowing who the pastor is. There are many pastors struggling with sexual sin. Far more than you realize, or if you do are willing to admit to.

There are ministries about that attempt to help these people.

I find it hard to believe that you live in such a cocoon that you are not aware of these kinds of things. If you do then something is very wrong. One needs to get a bit of reality mixed in with the Christianity.

 

[Windozer]

The preaching of the Word of God is that which delivers individuals from their sins. They refuse to believe because they do not want to give up their sins.

You know not of which you speak Solo. Many of these people have struggled far beyond any understanding that you have, in relation to who they are. You simply don't have a clue.

If you were willing to read some of their testimonies, you just might have your eyes opened.

Tell me something? If the preaching of the Word of God is that which delivers individuals from their sins. Who did the preaching to Abraham?

Do you know anything about having a relationship with Christ? Tell me what that is like? I thought it was he who gave of his life so that we might be free from sin.

Romans 6:7
because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.

Romans 6:18
You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.

Romans 6:22
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Romans 8:2
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

Hebrews 9:15
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritanceâ€â€now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Revelation 1:6
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Fatherâ€â€to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

The operative word is free from sin as opposed to being delivered from sin.

Season Greetings

 

[bibleberean]

I wrote

If I attend a church that decides to allow these types of sin I will leave.

Real simple. 8-)

 

[bibleberean]

Windozer,

You need to "put this issue" to God who wrote through the apostle Paul.

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Take it up with the Lord. I could care less about man's opinions.

 

[Windozer]

That is simply your choice and your right Robert, and probably a very wise decision on your part.

Equally as simple Robert.

Seasons Greetings.

 

[Windozer]

Windozer,

You need to "put this issue" to God who wrote through the apostle Paul.

SMILE!!!

Seasons Greetings.

 

[wiseclock]

The fact is, if the world were homosexual, then the human race would become extinct.


The purpose for man and women created by god was to reproduce.


Also, as far as that little verse in the bible concerning homosexuality, I would be in fear to even venture to that part of the world.

But all have sinned, all of us have faults, therefore leavng us all to not judge one another, but we are entitled to our own perception on some issues. No one can stop someone else from doing something that they want to do, so the only thing we can do is express our selves and hope for the best to all man kind.

 

[SputnikBoy]

The fact is, if the world were homosexual, then the human race would become extinct.

The fact is ...that would never happen. The world is NOT homosexual so extinction is not something we need to fear. Besides, the main reason people have sex has nothing to do with making sure that the human race doesn't become extinct.

The purpose for man and women created by god was to reproduce.

And man and woman have done a pretty good job of doing just that. Do we REALLY need to get excited about 'the purpose of reproduction' when millions throughout the world can't even take care of those children they already have? And I'm not just talking about the Third World countries. Most of the welfare cases that I deal with usually involve a single mother with hoards of kids in tow.

Whether homosexual orientation is a sin or not really has nothing to do with 'the purpose of reproduction.' And homosexuals should not be held accountable for not contributing to populating the earth. They have enough to deal with without that allegation being leveled at them. And, MANY women are unable to conceive, so ...do we point the finger at them too?

Also, the purose of sex is predominantly a heterosexual recreation ...not the fulfilment of an obligation to obey God. God would rarely come into the equasion, let's face it. How many atheists and those of different religions have contributed to the populating of the world? Sex is just something people do, particularly these days with the 'love 'em and leave 'em' mentality we seem to have. If the truth be known. homosexuality is the least of society's 'sexual problems' but the one that is the most discussed.

Also, as far as that little verse in the bible concerning homosexuality, I would be in fear to even venture to that part of the world.

I don't know what you mean.

But all have sinned, all of us have faults, therefore leavng us all to not judge one another, but we are entitled to our own perception on some issues.

Agreed.

No one can stop someone else from doing something that they want to do, so the only thing we can do is express our selves and hope for the best to all man kind.

I guess so.