Homosexuality - Sin? Why?

[Novum]

Of course there are many, many that practice 'take a pick' type of faith. I don't believe that is biblical and this is my position. I speak my conviction.

The irony here is, of course, that you have done precisely the same thing yourself.

 

[gingercat]

Of course there are many, many that practice 'take a pick' type of faith. I don't believe that is biblical and this is my position. I speak my conviction.

The irony here is, of course, that you have done precisely the same thing yourself.

What are you talking about? Please clarify yourself!!!

 

[ArtGuy]

Yup. You also can't have sex if your wife had her tubes tied for medical reasons, or if she's over the age of 60, or if it's not during those couple days per month that you know she's ovulating. Also, every time you could be having sex that has a strong likelihood of producing offspring and you don't, it's like infanticide.

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Sex is a gift from God for married couple!!! You can have sex without eggs or ovulating!!!

Yes, you can. You can also have sex without marriage, or between two people of the same sex. That's beside the point.

Thess was saying that sex is for the purpose of procreation, and that gay sex is bad because it's not for the purpose of procreation. If that's the case, it also rules out every act of sex that I described above.

 

[Novum]

Of course there are many, many that practice 'take a pick' type of faith. I don't believe that is biblical and this is my position. I speak my conviction.

The irony here is, of course, that you have done precisely the same thing yourself.

What are you talking about? Please clarify yourself!!!

You have done yourself what you accuse others of doing - picking a kind of faith. You chose (correct me if I'm wrong) a literal or near-literal interpretation of the bible. Others have chosen differently. That's hypocritical.

 

[gingercat]

Yes, you can. You can also have sex without marriage, or between two people of the same sex. That's beside the point.

Artguy, you seem to forget this is Christian forum. We are supposed to talk Bible's point of view!

 

[gingercat]

Of course there are many, many that practice 'take a pick' type of faith. I don't believe that is biblical and this is my position. I speak my conviction.

The irony here is, of course, that you have done precisely the same thing yourself.

What are you talking about? Please clarify yourself!!!

You have done yourself what you accuse others of doing - picking a kind of faith. You chose (correct me if I'm wrong) a literal or near-literal interpretation of the bible. Others have chosen differently. That's hypocritical.

You can accuse me of anything. I will not be fazed. Jesus is giving me a privilege of speaking up for Him. You are using what the Bible calls Satan's tactics to shut the truth off. Satan hates the truth being exposed.

 

[Novum]

Of course there are many, many that practice 'take a pick' type of faith. I don't believe that is biblical and this is my position. I speak my conviction.

The irony here is, of course, that you have done precisely the same thing yourself.

What are you talking about? Please clarify yourself!!!

You have done yourself what you accuse others of doing - picking a kind of faith. You chose (correct me if I'm wrong) a literal or near-literal interpretation of the bible. Others have chosen differently. That's hypocritical.

You can accuse me of anything. I will not be fazed. Jesus is giving me a privilege of speaking up for Him. You are using what the Bible calls Satan's tactics to shut the truth off. Satan hates the truth being exposed.

Stop dodging the question. Do you deny that you have chosen for yourself your own interpretation of the bible?

 

[gingercat]

Stop dodging the question. Do you deny that you have chosen for yourself your own interpretation of the bible?

I have been reading many kinds of interpretations and I have to make my own discernment which one to follow. We all have to!!! We are here to voice our convictions :D

 

[Novum]

Of course there are many, many that practice 'take a pick' type of faith. I don't believe that is biblical and this is my position. I speak my conviction.

I have been reading many kinds of interpretations and I have to make my own discernment which one to follow. We all have to!!! We are here to voice our convictions :D

There you have it, then. You admit to doing yourself what you accuse others of doing - picking their faith. Your own actions, according to yourself, are unbiblical.

 

[ArtGuy]

Yes, you can. You can also have sex without marriage, or between two people of the same sex. That's beside the point.

Artguy, you seem to forget this is Christian forum. We are supposed to talk Bible's point of view!

That this is a Christian forum doesn't alter the fact that you have now twice completely missed my point. I was addressing Thess's claims, and it has nothing to do with you or anything you were talking about. If you want to opine on the actual subject I was discussing, that's great. If you just want to tell me how the Bible disagrees with the point you keep misattributing to me, then kindly refrain from hitting the "Submit" button.

 

[gingercat]

Of course there are many, many that practice 'take a pick' type of faith. I don't believe that is biblical and this is my position. I speak my conviction.

I have been reading many kinds of interpretations and I have to make my own discernment which one to follow. We all have to!!! We are here to voice our convictions :D

There you have it, then. You admit to doing yourself what you accuse others of doing - picking their faith. Your own actions, according to yourself, are unbiblical.

That is also your own opinion. Do you know there are thousands of denominations? What do you think they are doing? What gives you the right to be the judge of any Chrisians? You are going in circles. You are just playing judging games. I am just expressing my convictions just like anyone else. Isn't that what you are doing? Just because you don't like my convictions you are accusing me so negatively. Its so convenient, isn't it?

 

[Relic]

My god Relic, are you just posting entire websites as an "argument" now? And really, the obnoxious large fonts and colored text do not provide normative force.

And your large and colored excuses for promoting the gay agenda is rather obnoxious.


By the way, in this particular post, the top portion of that post I made were my words along with scripture. "They" were not taken from any web site. They were included "along with" an excerpt I posted from a web site.

And it's too bad you don't appreciate my presenting the information from that web site. Why should I type what a web site already has done? If I agree with it, then there is nothing wrong with providing web site references that back up scripture which says to repent from sin.

In case you don't know which of my own words I'm referring to, here they are:

Being a Christian doesn't exclude giving up your old nature.

Ephesians 4:17-19
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Ephesians 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

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Excuses, Excuses.....
All the fleshly old nature wants to do is give excuses!

Now tell me NOVUM,

Regardless of any arguments you might present about your pro- homosexual agenda...


Answer this question...

Are homosexuals excluded from taking heed to these scriptures?

Ephesians 5:3
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;


Colossians 3:1-7

1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

(Notice! the past tense of verse 7. It means IF you are a Christian, those things are in the past! meaning the person no longer participates in them. )


Ephesians 4:17-19
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Ephesians 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;



Answer this question...

Are homosexuals excluded from taking heed to those scriptures?



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[gingercat]

If you just want to tell me how the Bible disagrees with the point you keep misattributing to me, then kindly refrain from hitting the "Submit" button.

I am just talking about the OP. It is about whether homosxuality is sin or not. It seems that you are trying to refocus on something else.

 

[Novum]

That is also your own opinion.

This is absolutely not my opinion at all. I'll repost your own words:

Of course there are many, many that practice 'take a pick' type of faith. I don't believe that is biblical and this is my position. I speak my conviction.

I have been reading many kinds of interpretations and I have to make my own discernment which one to follow. We all have to!!! We are here to voice our convictions :D

You very clearly are in direct contradiction with yourself. You very clearly stated that it is unbiblical to choose your own faith, then you very clearly state that you yourself chose your own faith.

Do you know there are thousands of denominations? What do you think they are doing? What gives you the right to be the judge of any Chrisians?

I'm not judging Christians. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in your personal statements.

 

[Novum]

And your large and colored excuses for promoting the gay agenda is rather obnoxious.

I'm sorry, you must have me mistaken for someone else. I have never used large font or colored text on these forums.

Now tell me NOVUM,

Regardless of any arguments you might present about your pro- homosexual agenda...

Are you implying that you yourself have no agenda? This is demonstrably untrue.

Answer this question...

Are homosexuals excluded from taking heed to these scriptures?[/b]

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Answer this question...

Are homosexuals excluded from taking heed to those scriptures?

I have no idea, Relic. You're asking the wrong guy. I am not a Christian, and it is therefore not my place to speculate about to whom (if anyone) a given piece of scripture applies.

In my experience, however, scripture seems to apply to whomever the Christian desires, using whatever interpretation the Christian sees fit.

 

[gingercat]

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in your personal statements.

And I am pointing out your convenient way of accusing one for your own benefit. You don't realize (or are being blind to) your own inconsistency.

You think you have right but others who hold opinions against you don't have the same privileges. Like I said before, this tactic is to keep your opposers mouth shut. It has been used very frequently.

We both think of each other being hypocrite or inconsistent; where is it
going to end? As long as you accuse others the way you do, it will be just rabbit trail fight. Don't you think is it so silly fighting this way in the world wide internet? I am done coopeating with you in this manner. So good day Novum. You continue to argue by yourself if you wish.

 

[Novum]

And I am pointing out your convenient way of accusing one for your own benefit. You don't realize (or are being blind to) your own inconsistency.

You think you have right but others who hold opinions against you don't have the same privileges. Like I said before, this tactic is to keep your opposers mouth shut. It has been used very frequently.

I'm not judging you, just calling attention to a logical error - but you're still dodging the question. Do you deny the apparent contradiction in your statements or no?

 

[gingercat]

In my experience, however, scripture seems to apply to whomever the Christian desires, using whatever interpretation the Christian sees fit.

This kind of criticism is so arrogant. Yes, there are many ways to practice and interpret the Scripture, but there is only one truth. You never understand Christian problems unless you decided to follow Jesus. You are playing judge of Christians without knowing Jesus. It is so arrogant of you.

 

[gingercat]

And I am pointing out your convenient way of accusing one for your own benefit. You don't realize (or are being blind to) your own inconsistency.

You think you have right but others who hold opinions against you don't have the same privileges. Like I said before, this tactic is to keep your opposers mouth shut. It has been used very frequently.

I'm not judging you, just calling attention to a logical error - but you're still dodging the question. Do you deny the apparent contradiction in your statements or no?

I told you I don't cooperate in your manipulation. Good day novum. I dont play games like you do.

 

[Novum]

In my experience, however, scripture seems to apply to whomever the Christian desires, using whatever interpretation the Christian sees fit.

Yes, there are many ways to practice and interpret the Scripture, but there is only one truth.

Isn't that exactly what I said? What are you getting so angry about?