How did Satan approach Eve?

[LoneWolf123]

Another question that might sound stupid, so forgive me in advance: If Satan fell before humans, how come he was in Heaven in the first place when he tricked Eve?

 

[Quantrill]

Another question that might sound stupid, so forgive me in advance: If Satan fell before humans, how come he was in Heaven in the first place when he tricked Eve?

The circumstances surrounding the fall of Adam and Eve are interesting and your question is not stupid.

satan did fall before man did.

satan was in Heaven because prior to his fall he was the highest created being, an angel.

satan was not cast out of heaven at that time, but the judgement of God was now upon him.

When God created Adam and Eve, satan would be an observer. God was creating a being that would replace satan in his original position before God.

God would, with His plan for man, give to man who willingly submitted to God, that which satan tried to take by rebellion against God.

Quantrill

 

[for_his_glory]

The war between the Arch angel Michael and Satan has not taken place where Satan will finally be thrown of of heaven.
As long as Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God, Satan still has limited access to the heavenly realm of God accusing the brethren before Him as Jesus makes intercession for us, Rev 12:10. Until Satan's final judgement he is still the prince of this world, John 14:30, and still has restricted access to the heavenly realm as we read in 2 Chronicles 18:18-21 and Job 1:6, 7, until the war in heaven towards the end of days between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels when Satan will have no more access to the heavenly realm and will be cast into the lake of fire, never to reign terror on God's children anymore.


Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

[for_his_glory]

Another question that might sound stupid, so forgive me in advance: If Satan fell before humans, how come he was in Heaven in the first place when he tricked Eve?

Never stop asking questions no matter how stupid you think they are as that is how we learn.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

From my understanding, Satan had already fallen before humans did and was not allowed back into Heaven. He was not in Heaven as in fully there all the time (he is still able to approach God) when Eve was tricked and was seeking to turn Adam and Eve away from God. Satan does whatever he can to turn people away from God by making sin sound great.

 

[Cygnus]

The circumstances surrounding the fall of Adam and Eve are interesting and your question is not stupid.

satan did fall before man did.

satan was in Heaven because prior to his fall he was the highest created being, an angel.

satan was not cast out of heaven at that time, but the judgement of God was now upon him.

When God created Adam and Eve, satan would be an observer. God was creating a being that would replace satan in his original position before God.

God would, with His plan for man, give to man who willingly submitted to God, that which satan tried to take by rebellion against God.

Quantrill

You said..."When God created Adam and Eve, satan would be an observer. God was creating a being that would replace satan in his original position before God. "......interesting thought. Do you have a verse or two that supports that notion?

 

[Cygnus]

Another question that might sound stupid, so forgive me in advance: If Satan fell before humans, how come he was in Heaven in the first place when he tricked Eve?

It's interesting to note Satan once was in the Garden of Eden in an un-fallen state.

In this verse the King of Tyre is represented as a type of Satan. Some disagree.

Eze 28:
“You were the signet of perfection,a
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
every precious stone was your covering,
sardius, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire,b emerald, and carbuncle;
and crafted in gold were your settings
and your engravings.c
On the day that you were created
they were prepared.
14 You were an anointed guardian cherub.
I placed you;d you were on the holy mountain of God;
in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.

 

[Quantrill]

You said..."When God created Adam and Eve, satan would be an observer. God was creating a being that would replace satan in his original position before God. "......interesting thought. Do you have a verse or two that supports that notion?

It is a long study, much too long for a single post. I can give a very brief description.

We know satan was unfallen when God created the earth. (Job. 38;4-7) That creation is the same as (Gen. 1:1)

I hold to the 'Gap Theory' that says (Gen. 1:2) is not part of that original creation of the earth mentioned in (1:1) See (Is. 45:18) and (Jer. 4:23). So, something occurred between (1:1) and (1:2) throwing the earth into it's chaotic condition. I believe, as many do, that that something was the rebellion of satan and God's judgement.

One of satan's sinful desires was 'to be like the Most High'. (Is. 14:14) That term 'Most High' speaks to God as Possessor of Heaven and Earth. (Gen. 14:19,22) Thus satan was seeking and desiring rule and authority over Heaven and Earth. And, as you pointed out, satan, had been in Eden in his unfallen state, so I think he had a certain authority given him by God concerning the earth. But that wasn't enough. He desired to possess it and Heaven too.

God's hand of judgement fell. The light went out and the earth was affected, possibly because that was were satan was when these desires entered his heart. Thus you have the earth in it's chaos of (Gen. 1:2) This means the 6 day creation that follows is really the re-creation of the earth with man introduced.

How long the light was out and the earth in this condition is not told us. But you can bet satan and his angels knew one thing. God was mad. But God did not destroy satan or his angels. They knew they were not in a good position but God didn't destroy them yet. It is my opinion, and others, that when God turned the light back on, all of the angels would be observers in this. God's elect angels as well as satan and those who followed him.

Thus satan would observe God making this creature that is lower than the angels, man. (Heb. 2:6-7) He would observe God creating the Garden of Eden. An Eden where satan once dwelt. He would hear God giving man dominion over the earth. A thing which would fill satan with jealousy and rage.

This is why I said that man will receive from God through submission to God what satan sought to obtain by rebelling against God. The angels don't get to inherit the earth. Man does. (Heb. 2:5)

Quantrill

 

[Cygnus]

It is a long study, much too long for a single post. I can give a very brief description.

We know satan was unfallen when God created the earth. (Job. 38;4-7) That creation is the same as (Gen. 1:1)

I hold to the 'Gap Theory' that says (Gen. 1:2) is not part of that original creation of the earth mentioned in (1:1) See (Is. 45:18) and (Jer. 4:23). So, something occurred between (1:1) and (1:2) throwing the earth into it's chaotic condition. I believe, as many do, that that something was the rebellion of satan and God's judgement.

One of satan's sinful desires was 'to be like the Most High'. (Is. 14:14) That term 'Most High' speaks to God as Possessor of Heaven and Earth. (Gen. 14:19,22) Thus satan was seeking and desiring rule and authority over Heaven and Earth. And, as you pointed out, satan, had been in Eden in his unfallen state, so I think he had a certain authority given him by God concerning the earth. But that wasn't enough. He desired to possess it and Heaven too.

God's hand of judgement fell. The light went out and the earth was affected, possibly because that was were satan was when these desires entered his heart. Thus you have the earth in it's chaos of (Gen. 1:2) This means the 6 day creation that follows is really the re-creation of the earth with man introduced.

How long the light was out and the earth in this condition is not told us. But you can bet satan and his angels knew one thing. God was mad. But God did not destroy satan or his angels. They knew they were not in a good position but God didn't destroy them yet. It is my opinion, and others, that when God turned the light back on, all of the angels would be observers in this. God's elect angels as well as satan and those who followed him.

Thus satan would observe God making this creature that is lower than the angels, man. (Heb. 2:6-7) He would observe God creating the Garden of Eden. An Eden where satan once dwelt. He would hear God giving man dominion over the earth. A thing which would fill satan with jealousy and rage.

This is why I said that man will receive from God through submission to God what satan sought to obtain by rebelling against God. The angels don't get to inherit the earth. Man does. (Heb. 2:5)

Quantrill

I see one huge hurdle...the verse I presented shows Satan in the garden of Eden in an unfallen state. Eze 28:13

In the above you have the earth destroyed..."was the rebellion of satan and God's judgement. "....prior to the creation of the garden of Eden. You have Satan falling prior to the planting of the Garden of Eden

Personally I don't see the Gap theory...as it is typically used by old earth creationist to explain a pre-human world and the demise of the dinosaurs and a new world created on top of them. It is my belief that the dinosaurs were killed and buried in the sediment deposited by the world wide flood of Noah.

 

[Quantrill]

I see one huge hurdle...the verse I presented shows Satan in the garden of Eden in an unfallen state. Eze 28:13

In the above you have the earth destroyed..."was the rebellion of satan and God's judgement. "....prior to the creation of the garden of Eden. You have Satan falling prior to the planting of the Garden of Eden

Personally I don't see the Gap theory...as it is typically used by old earth creationist to explain a pre-human world and the demise of the dinosaurs and a new world created on top of them. It is my belief that the dinosaurs were killed and buried in the sediment deposited by the world wide flood of Noah.

The verse you presented is a garden of jewels and precious stones. Not the garden Adam and Eve knew. Point being, the garden as satan knew it, was different with Adam and Eve. Still the garden. Totally different make up.

That's fine. I believe the Gap Theory is supported Scripturally. I don't really care how some may use. All I care is if it is Scriptural. Believe as you wish.

Quantrill

 

[Cygnus]

The verse you presented is a garden of jewels and precious stones. Not the garden Adam and Eve knew. Point being, the garden as satan knew it, was different with Adam and Eve. Still the garden. Totally different make up.

That's fine. I believe the Gap Theory is supported Scripturally. I don't really care how some may use. All I care is if it is Scriptural. Believe as you wish.

Quantrill

Care to demonstrate why?

.... You were in Eden, the garden of God;....which was the garden Adam and Eve knew.

 

[Quantrill]

Care to demonstrate why?

.... You were in Eden, the garden of God;....which was the garden Adam and Eve knew.

I already did. You already alluded to the verses in (Eze.). Why do you ask me?

Quantrill

 

[Cygnus]

I already did. You already alluded to the verses in (Eze.). Why do you ask me?

Quantrill

I've explained...you have Satan falling prior to being in the garden.

 

[ezrider]

How did Satan approach Eve?


Low and meek, with a Bible in his hand.

 

[Link1983]

Another question that might sound stupid, so forgive me in advance: If Satan fell before humans, how come he was in Heaven in the first place when he tricked Eve?

Well he wasn't in Heaven. He was on earth..

 

[Link1983]

How did Satan approach Eve?


Low and meek, with a Bible in his hand.

The Bible was off course not yet written.. but I get your point..

 

[Link1983]

The verse you presented is a garden of jewels and precious stones. Not the garden Adam and Eve knew. Point being, the garden as satan knew it, was different with Adam and Eve. Still the garden. Totally different make up.

That's fine. I believe the Gap Theory is supported Scripturally. I don't really care how some may use. All I care is if it is Scriptural. Believe as you wish.

Quantrill

I agree with you and The Bible. The original Hebrew word for:
The earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was upon the face....
Should be translated to became instead of was..

Genesis 1:2 AMP

 

[Quantrill]

I've explained...you have Satan falling prior to being in the garden.

satan did fall prior to entering the garden where Adam and Eve were. I don't see the problem.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

It seems to just be the way God gave free choice. I mean God said do not eat from this tree, as soon as God said that the mind now has a conscience. That was the first law, do not eat from this tree. You now have free choice.

If God never said don't eat from the tree or even created it, well, who knows. There would have been no fall and no choice and no sin I guess.

I just don't get it sometimes , God created man and a tree and gave man the choice to sin, and then all the drama just to forgive it?.

We have to grasp the bigger picture. Much has gone on leading up to man's creation. Evil has been personified in a being called satan and many angels follow him.

Though Adam and Eve were created perfect, and dwelt in a place of paradise, they could still sin. And did. As did Lucifer also.

Many like to talk about getting back to the garden. But God is not trying to get man back to the garden as he was in Adam and Eve. If you just get back there, you can sin again.

God is creating a family of sons and daughters, that are born of Him, with His nature, being placed in Him. Thus the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

So, there are many things going on in God's work of redemption.

Quantrill

 

[Corn Pop]

Though Adam and Eve were created perfect, and dwelt in a place of paradise, they could still sin. And did. As did Lucifer also.

Everything comes down to Law because as soon as a Law is given that allows the option of sin as it is now known what is right and wrong and a choice is given. Without a law there is no right or wrong. Without a law there is no lawbreaker.

So God said do not eat from this tree to Adam and Even, that is a law, they now automatically know eating it is breaking the law and not eating it is lawful. They now have a conscience that's aware. As soon as you a given a law that is a right and a wrong the wrong saying you can eat from it if you want, because you now have a free choice and are aware of it is the serpent.

If God said eat from this tree if you would like, then you know if you do eat is is ok and not wrong, either way the mind now believes in right and wrong because that's how a law works.