How did Satan approach Eve?

[Quantrill]

Everything comes down to Law because as soon as a Law is given that allows the option of sin as it is now known what is right and wrong and a choice is given. Without a law there is no right or wrong. Without a law there is no lawbreaker.

So God said do not eat from this tree to Adam and Even, that is a law, they now automatically know eating it is breaking the law and not eating it is lawful. They now have a conscience. That was the very first Law God gave.

If God said eat from this tree if you would like, then you know if you do eat is is ok and not wrong, either way the mind now believes in right and wrong because that's how a law works.

I don't believe Adam and Eve had a conscience until they ate the fruit. They simply knew God said don't eat. God giving them a law, did not create the conscience. They did not yet have the ability to know good and evil.

Quantrill

 

[Corn Pop]

I don't believe Adam and Eve had a conscience until they ate the fruit. They simply knew God said don't eat. God giving them a law, did not create the conscience. They did not yet have the ability to know good and evil.

Quantrill

But they knew full well of the situation.

 

[Quantrill]

But they knew full well of the situation.

Yes, they knew they were not to eat of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Quantrill

 

[Corn Pop]

Yes, they knew they were not to eat of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Quantrill

So they had the ability to know what was good and what was not good. If they did not eat from the tree they were law abiding and if they ate from the tree they were law breakers and would receive a penalty. They were told not to eat from the tree or they would receive a penalty. Eve was even questioned and said God said do not eat from the tree, so they were well aware and had the ability to know what was right and wrong.

 

[Cygnus]

I agree with you and The Bible. The original Hebrew word for:
The earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was upon the face....
Should be translated to became instead of was..

Genesis 1:2 AMP

Why??? Became???

 

[Cygnus]

satan did fall prior to entering the garden where Adam and Eve were. I don't see the problem.

Quantrill

Then why did you say this in post 8

God's hand of judgement fell. The light went out and the earth was affected, possibly because that was were satan was when these desires entered his heart. Thus you have the earth in it's chaos of (Gen. 1:2) This means the 6 day creation that follows is really the re-creation of the earth with man introduced.

 

[Link1983]

Then why did you say this in post 8

God's hand of judgement fell. The light went out and the earth was affected, possibly because that was were satan was when these desires entered his heart. Thus you have the earth in it's chaos of (Gen. 1:2) This means the 6 day creation that follows is really the re-creation of the earth with man introduced.

Exactly!
God kind of man was introduced.

 

[Quantrill]

So they had the ability to know what was good and what was not good. If they did not eat from the tree they were law abiding and if they ate from the tree they were law breakers and would receive a penalty. They were told not to eat from the tree or they would receive a penalty. Eve was even questioned and said God said do not eat from the tree, so they were well aware and had the ability to know what was right and wrong.

They had no knowledge of good or evil. They simply knew they were not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Then why did you say this in post 8

God's hand of judgement fell. The light went out and the earth was affected, possibly because that was were satan was when these desires entered his heart. Thus you have the earth in it's chaos of (Gen. 1:2) This means the 6 day creation that follows is really the re-creation of the earth with man introduced.

Because Eden was a place before satan fell. It continued to be a place even after the judgement. But it didn't have the same characteristics as the former. The location of Eden is not known to man at all. The location of Eden is always known to God. When He recreated the Earth during the 6 day creation, He could establish Eden again.

But whether or not you hold to that, satan was fallen by the time he entered Eden in (Gen. 3).

Quantrill

 

[LoneWolf123]

Or maybe the distinction between Heaven/Hell is not a spatial or physical one. That also explains how, in a parable, the rich person in Hell could talk to Heaven residents.

 

[Corn Pop]

They had no knowledge of good or evil. They simply knew they were not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Quantrill

I'm not sure I understand what your saying. Adam and Eve knew eating from the tree was wrong, they had knowledge of what was right (not eating from the tree) and what was wrong (eating from the tree). They knew the situation. It was the first knowledge of right and wrong they knew.

Once you are told something is wrong or given a law, you now know what is right and wrong. Doing it is wrong, not doing it is right and law abiding.

The law is the knowledge of good and evil. They were given a Law, do not eat from the tree or reciceve a penalty.

 

[Cygnus]

They had no knowledge of good or evil. They simply knew they were not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Quantrill

They had knowledge...but not the their eyes were open type of knowledge.

 

[Cygnus]

Or maybe the distinction between Heaven/Hell is not a spatial or physical one. That also explains how, in a parable, the rich person in Hell could talk to Heaven residents.

I would imagine heaven and hell..or paradise and hell are in a different dimension than our 4 dimension.

 

[Cygnus]

Because Eden was a place before satan fell. It continued to be a place even after the judgement. But it didn't have the same characteristics as the former. The location of Eden is not known to man at all. The location of Eden is always known to God. When He recreated the Earth during the 6 day creation, He could establish Eden again.

But whether or not you hold to that, satan was fallen by the time he entered Eden in (Gen. 3).

Quantrill

I suppose God could of...but now you're hanging your hat on a speculation. Scripture never says God established Eden again.

The location of Eden was lost when the world wide waters of Noahs flood destroyed the earth.

 

[Quantrill]

I'm not sure I understand what your saying. Adam and Eve knew eating from the tree was wrong, they had knowledge of what was right (not eating from the tree) and what was wrong (eating from the tree). They knew the situation. It was the first knowledge of right and wrong they knew.

Once you are told something is wrong or given a law, you now know what is right and wrong. Doing it is wrong, not doing it is right and law abiding.

The law is the knowledge of good and evil. They were given a Law, do not eat from the tree or reciceve a penalty.

They had no knowledge of 'wrong or right'. They understood God that they were not to eat of the tree. It is that simple.

'Good' and 'evil' are not the same as 'right' and 'wrong'.

satan sinned when there was no law.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

They had knowledge...but not the their eyes were open type of knowledge.

No, they had no knowledge of good and evil until they ate of the tree.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

I suppose God could of...but now you're hanging your hat on a speculation. Scripture never says God established Eden again.

The location of Eden was lost when the world wide waters of Noahs flood destroyed the earth.

As I said, whether you see Eden in (Ezekiel) and (Genises) as the same or not is really immaterial. satan had fallen prior to (Gen. 3).

Quantrill

 

[Corn Pop]

They had no knowledge of 'wrong or right'. They understood God that they were not to eat of the tree. It is that simple.

'Good' and 'evil' are not the same as 'right' and 'wrong'.

satan sinned when there was no law.

Quantrill

How can satan sin if there was no law. Where there is no law there is no transgression. How can satan sin against God if there was no law, no law would mean everything was lawful.

 

[Cygnus]

No, they had no knowledge of good and evil until they ate of the tree.

Quantrill

Adam knew it wasn't good to be alone...

 

[Cygnus]

As I said, whether you see Eden in (Ezekiel) and (Genises) as the same or not is really immaterial. satan had fallen prior to (Gen. 3).

Quantrill

True...Satan fell prior to Gen 3. Thing is we don't now how long the time period was between the end of day 7 and Gen 3. We do now Satan was in Eden prior to his fall...how long? Unknown.