-How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sabbath-

[Jethro Bodine]

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Oh, almost forgot:

Elijah,

Are you careful to obey Jesus' command to avoid the leaven of the Pharisees?

 

[Brother Mike]

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What day was the sabbath again? I can try to use it to convince God that I need a day to do some resting and what I want. Otherwise everyday is for God, and busy. I just need to know the day so I can bring this petition up in my request.

thank you.

Mike.

 

[JLB]

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We are told by Christ to magnify the law and make it honorable. Does that mean to do away with it? (it is finished? or to do away with it?

What Law?

Chapter and verse, please.

Hopefully, you are not advocating the keeping of Moses Law, whereby The Jews living in Israel are required to sacrifice animals for the atonement of sins.

Certainly Moses Law is not applicable to Gentiles who do not live in Israel.

Which Law are you referring to?


JLB

 

[reba]

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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Doesn't this passage show us we should not hassle each other no matter our views?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Doesn't this passage show us we should not hassle each other no matter our views?

Yes, which is why I told Elijah that it's cool if he wants to keep a literal Sabbath. Whether in his mind he is doing that in order to be justified by that work is betweenst him and God.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he thinks Sabbath keeping is an expected and obligatory expression of saving faith, just as we don't murder, steal, or lie, not because we're trying to be justified by that, but that we know that is the expected and obligatory outcome of saving faith.


I figure if Elijah is going to tell me I'm going to hell for not keeping a literal Sabbath, then I think it fair that I help him understand why I think I won't.

 

[John 8:32]

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Perhaps Elijah is thinking of this...

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

 

[JLB]

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I figure if Elijah is going to tell me I'm going to hell for not keeping a literal Sabbath, then I think it fair that I help him understand why I think I won't.

Just flip the quarter and move along!


JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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Perhaps Elijah is thinking of this...

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Probably.

I just don't think the Sabbath (like circumcision) justifies anyone as having the righteousness of God through faith in Christ.

The law talks about circumcision and the Sabbath being the 'signs' that you are in covenant with God. That's why the Jews thought they were saved by being circumcised.

What they didn't understand was literal circumcision and literal Sabbath keeping neither establish a relationship with God, nor prove the reality of a relationship with God. Spiritual circumcision--having the sin nature cut away from the heart--and the spiritual Sabbath--taking a rest from the deeds of the sin nature--are the signs that you are truly in covenant with God.

Just as being spiritually circumcised removes the requirement for literal circumcision, so keeping the spiritual Sabbath (that the literal Sabbath pointed to) removes the requirement for keeping a literal Sabbath. Notice I said 'requirement'. The option to do either is still available to anyone...just as long as it's not done for the purpose of being justified by doing them.

That's how I personally see it. Everyone else needs to do what their conscience will allow. My conscience doesn't govern anybody else's life, only mine.

So, the way God desires us to keep his Sammath Day is 'spiritually', just like circumcision is now fully understood as completely satisfied and fulfilled when we are 'spiritually' circumcised--circumcised in heart, by the Holy Spirit.

When you believe in Christ and are sealed with the Holy Spirit you fulfill God's requirement for circumcision (the putting away of the 'flesh'), and when you obey God to love others (not hurt them by your selfish ways) you are satisfying God's requirements for rest (rest from the sinful, selfish ambitions of the flesh).

 

[Elijah674]

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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Doesn't this passage show us we should not hassle each other no matter our views?

No dearie, this is the reply from Acts 15 for your question. (about the Laws of Moses) Acts 15:1

[1] And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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I figure if Elijah is going to tell me I'm going to hell for not keeping a literal Sabbath, then I think it fair that I help him understand why I think I won't.

Just flip the quarter and move along!


JLB

Good idea.

You know what date is on that coin, JLB?

It's been traveling that long to get here.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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Just flip the quarter and move along!


JLB

You'll like this:

http://youtu.be/RrHqpa0wkTY

 

[Elijah674]

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Is this posting rhetorical to the thread?
It sounds like it needs to be given Paul's advice of Titus 3:9-11

--Elijah

 

[JLB]

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Is this posting rhetorical to the thread?
It sounds like it needs to be given Paul's advice of Titus 3:9-11

--Elijah

Yes! Yes it does!

So take Paul's advice and be blessed, rather than being accursed.

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9

Another Gospel or a different Gospel, is a Gospel that compels people to keep the Law and/or be Circumcised.

Are you doing that?


JLB

 

[Elijah674]

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Is this posting rhetorical to the thread?
It sounds like it needs to be given Paul's advice of Titus 3:9-11

--Elijah

Yes! Yes it does!

So take Paul's advice and be blessed, rather than being accursed.

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9

Another Gospel or a different Gospel, is a Gospel that compels people to keep the Law and/or be Circumcised.

Are you doing that?


JLB

Well now guy, where is the 7th Day Sabbath that God blessed + set aside for Holy use said to be about being circumcised?? And mankind even was sinless back then??

--Elijah

 

[JLB]

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Is this posting rhetorical to the thread?
It sounds like it needs to be given Paul's advice of Titus 3:9-11

--Elijah

Yes! Yes it does!

So take Paul's advice and be blessed, rather than being accursed.

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9

Another Gospel or a different Gospel, is a Gospel that compels people to keep the Law and/or be Circumcised.

Are you doing that?


JLB

Well now guy, where is the 7th Day Sabbath that God blessed + set aside for Holy use said to be about being circumcised?? And mankind even was sinless back then??

--Elijah

It's been set aside like you said.

JLB

 

[Elijah674]

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Is this posting rhetorical to the thread?
It sounds like it needs to be given Paul's advice of Titus 3:9-11

--Elijah

Yes! Yes it does!

So take Paul's advice and be blessed, rather than being accursed.

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9

Another Gospel or a different Gospel, is a Gospel that compels people to keep the Law and/or be Circumcised.

Are you doing that?


JLB

Well now guy, where is the 7th Day Sabbath that God blessed + set aside for Holy use said to be about being circumcised?? And mankind even was sinless back then??

--Elijah

It's been set aside like you said.

JLB

OK. I can leave you with your decision.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

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From day one of creation! We find that God has a Day of rest for Worship. Blessed & Sanctified.

Gen.2

[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
[4] These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

We found that all the prophets are subject to the Holy Spirit, as seen in 1 Cor. 14:32. Meaning that NO one is of disunity as stated!

[32] And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

So lets just consider a major prophet in his Inspired Words of what we will be doing in the New Heavens & Earth.

Isaiah 65

[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[18] But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[21] And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[22] They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
[23] They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

It says that the New Heavens that we will shall enjoy WORK. And we see what we will be doing! But this is just not the Seveneth Day Sabbath! So lets find out what this day For Worship WILL BE LIKE!

The same Prophet says it this way....

Isaiah 66
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Every detail. Work 6 days & then His Day 7th Day set aside for Worship. And in Rev. we see there is no need of the sun, for the City Home is lite up with the Righteousness of the Godhead!

Now, this does away with the very false teachings of a few here on the boards of ‘a NO brainer’ of keeping a false (2 Cor. 4:2) rest in Christ as seen in He. 4. For even the animals + the strangers within thy gates were to obey the landlord!

But we know that satan is working with all the daughter of rome in these last days as well! Rev. 17:1-5. And it was Christ who told us in Matt. 6

[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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From day one of creation! We find that God has a Day of rest for Worship. Blessed & Sanctified
...

"...the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world." (Revelation 13:8 NIV)

When we believe, we enter into that Rest, Jesus Christ, established since the foundation of the world and find relief from the task master of sin.

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." (Matthew 11:28-29 NIV)

 

[lowrab777]

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I feel like it is a simple matter, THE SABBATH DAY IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE 7th DAY OF THE WEEK, SABBATH MEANS SEVENTH....LOOK AT YOUR CALENDER. It was changed Constantine (at Nicean counsel, I believe) SUNday was the very day named after the SUNgod and therefore that day was the pagan day of worship. I wont argue about that fact,... Just look it up, and do your own research.
whether you keep the SABBATH it is absolutely up to you. How you keep it should fit scripture, however your personal situation before GOD belongs to you and you alone. God will reward each of us according to our work.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

I personally believe that god does not want me to work on the sabbath and it has been revealed to me over the years just exactly why. JESUS said THE SABBATH WAS CREATED FOR YOU!!,........Uh,.......that means GOD wants me to rest. And I can tell you with a certainty that I do need to rest, I mean in one place GOD says what ever your hand finds to do do it with all your might,.. ( Work as hard as you can ) And in another place he says keep the sabbath and do no work in it,.. ( TAKE A BREAK ) Even the earth needs to rest. Besides that if I find myself not keeping the sabbath the distractions of the world keep me from pursuing God and participating in a relationship with him. Keeping the sabbath is a very significant command,I personally do not take it lightly though I cannot keep it perfectly, as I do not rely on my sabbath keeping to buy me salvation because it just cannot do that. How ever I do know that it does please God when we obey him and so I do it because I truly want to please my father (and he commanded me to,.. Along with other significant annual appointments):yes

I do feel like the answer to the OP/Question of how we should keep it can be outlined here
And I do believe the it was on the seventh day as Paul so passionately rants about(HEB:4)
1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Co 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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Keeping the sabbath is a very significant command,I personally do not take it lightly though I cannot keep it perfectly...

Which is fine. And I'm aware of the unfair attacks that people launch on law keepers about perfection. But by the same token, if a person is going to say Sabbath keeping or any other literal worship command is on par with 'do not murder', or 'do not steal', not for the purpose of salvation, but as the obligatory and expected obedience of the faith that saves, then I would expect that person to be striving very diligently to keep it perfectly, just as we are expected to do in regard to what they say is equally important-- that is, 'do not murder', 'do not covet', etc.

Understand the point?


The literal Sabbath is/was an illustration of a spiritual truth and reality, just as the other literal Mosaic worship requirements were. And--like animal sacrifice for sin--once a person understands the reality the shadow represents the literal can be laid aside and cease as an expected and obligatory obedience of saving faith. But until then, the person who can not see that should probably continue to observe the Sabbath, or whatever Mosaic worship requirement they feel must be kept, and do so with the same goal of perfection they know to have in regard to all the other commandments of God, 'do not steal', 'do not lie', etc.