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th1b.taylor said:
Dan,
Please, I was operating from the wrong end of the spectrum and stand in need of your forgiveness. Had I realized you did not have a Bible I should have posted the chapters for your edification along with my take on the context. I am truly sorry. I posted and went off line to colorize a photo for a friend and just took a break to look in here.

There are a number of on Line Bibles but I have always found it best to download e-Sword at www.e-sword.net. They offer over two dozen free translations and several years back I spent 20 American and purchase a digital copy of the NASB for my e-Sword.
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Well, if DAN can get online and type, then DAN has access to tons of bibles. E-sword for windows based, mysword for android which is real close to e-sword, For IOS if DAN has that we pray the Lord show him the way.

However, I have lots of scripture committed to memory, Most the time I post something without looking up the tons of scriptures I am referencing. I am post according to revelation, not actually able to quote it from some translation Word for Word. That's fine, unless I am have been wrong in my revelation. I would not knowingly post that though.

My take on being humble though is admitting wrong if someone shows me in scripture on something that counters what I thought previous. That don't happen very often, because normally I have covered both sides very carefully.

Not being humble is looking at a counter scripture and not regarding it. All scriptures are perfect. That means your unwilling for the Scripture (GOD) to correct you and your comfortable with the contradiction to believe wrong.

This often comes in the form of saying it's not literal, but spiritual, or allegory, or parable, or a view from mans perspective, or they ignore it all together.

One has to compare knowledge and think back as to why they won't take certain scriptures literal. What knowledge overcomes the ability to take God simply at his Word?

Edited for content Reba

Blessings.
 
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kiwidan said:
So Jesus says John is greater than a prophet, and the least in the kingdom is greater than him. Thats a powerful statement every Christian should be humbling themselves.

Then Jesus says if anyone causes one of these little ones to stumble, they will be called least in the kingdom.

So how does that work?. The one who causes one to stumble is greater than John and a prophet.

I dont get it. If anyone decieves the sheep they are greater than John.

Or is it something to do with John being the last prophet of old.
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of course it is a matter of right understanding, there is no way for the evil-doer to be first in the Kingdom of God, but only the well-doer can enter into there, so from this point of view we can say the bad believer is little in faith and great in unrighteousness/iniquity, while the good man is little in malevolence and great in righteousness, the important is to be great in showing love/good treatment and little in the contrary things

Blessings
 
JCitoL said:
of course it is a matter of right understanding, there is no way for the evil-doer to be first in the Kingdom of God, but only the well-doer can enter into there,
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Careful brother,
Remember, please, when you publish anything to the Web you risk it not being read entirely and you risk it not being read past this point where I stop quoting. I'm sure you would not intentionally have it understood that good men will enter Heaven and bad men go to Hell, would you?

If that is your intent and if you have read Dan's posts, over the time he has posted here you just sent Dan to Hell. Not only that you just sent every preacher and teacher on this forum to Hell.
 
jocor said:
I believe it is based on the fact that John did not live under the New Covenant, did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit, was not immersed in the name of Yeshua and did not have Messiah in him. John was the greatest man ever born to a woman (Messiah excluded) up until Yeshua's day. Afterwards, all men who receive Yeshua as Master and Savior and who are part of his Body are considered greater than John.
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John the Baptist was Spirit filled. Luke 1:15
 
Jethro Bodine said:
...From birth.
Which is why he is the least in the kingdom of God.
He never had to choose to follow God.

"and he (John) will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15 NASB)


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AMEN, I must be getting old, I missed mentioning that. But leave it to some hillbilly from Ar Kansas to show up some hillbilly from Texas. :shame
 
th1b.taylor said:
Careful brother,
Remember, please, when you publish anything to the Web you risk it not being read entirely and you risk it not being read past this point where I stop quoting. I'm sure you would not intentionally have it understood that good men will enter Heaven and bad men go to Hell, would you?

If that is your intent and if you have read Dan's posts, over the time he has posted here you just sent Dan to Hell. Not only that you just sent every preacher and teacher on this forum to Hell.
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with all due respect to the war veterans (it really is a very difficult and risky business/job), don't forget there is at least an eternal judgment inevitable for every soul/besouled being, remember how even the Lord Himself, Jesus, did not manage to avoid the great sufferings altogether, but suffered a lot, albeit for the salvation of the unsaved, and He said: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."(Matthew 7:1-2), and it turned out that He also was in the places of those persons that judged Him 2 millennia ago (in the court and on the way to calvary), but that was in previous eternities before (let's say) millions or maybe rather billions of eternities (ago), so in this eternity He also had to suffer at their hands in exactly the same way - it is about a fateful cycle/circle, that is why He said:

Matthew 17:12 "But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.",

Mark 9:12 "Jesus replied, To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?"

and also:

Matthew 7:12 "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

this is the so-called doctrine of eternal judgment(Hebrews 6:2), which is very well explained in the book Ecclesiastes, so the hell may be not only after the physical death, but even in/during the lifetime, so to cause evil to your neighbor(whoever it is/may be) means to cause evil to yourself, albeit in the long run of the eternity's infinite cycle/circle, even if there will be no (punishment in) hell after the physical death

the thing which is bitter like a venom in the beginning, becomes sweet like a honey afterwards - the truth that makes us free

Blessings
 
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I could not get past that first paragraph that had to do with La La Land and was in no manner anything to do with Christianity. So, are you a brother in Christ or are you the Wizard of Oz?
 
th1b.taylor said:
I could not get past that first paragraph that had to do with La La Land and was in no manner anything to do with Christianity. So, are you a brother in Christ or are you the Wizard of Oz?
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ok, you did not get it, and yes, not only that i believe in Jesus Christ, but i (without vaunting) am His witness (not of jehovah's witnesses denomination/congregation)

i just said there is no absolute remission of (the) sins in the long run of the infinite circle of eternity just as even many innocent people did not get away with the evils that befell them - is it possible that this were absolutely causeless?!, but they also caused the same evils, albeit in previous eternities, even if it was millions eternities ago, of course this does not mean we can only/have only to wait for the destiny to be fulfilled, because it is given to us(the humans) to be able to choose better things for ourselves(including for all others) and to make the destiny better, otherwise there would be no such Holy Commandments of God, nor so many biblical scriptures of a total of thousands pages

Blessings
 
There is a reverse form of Greatness in the Kingdom of God. It is not "like" the world operates, where the greatest is the most powerful in the survival of the fittest equations.

We're all so used to the latter it is hard for us to perceive opposite principles.

So in the survival of the fittest, we see the operations of the flesh, which is antithetical (mutually incompatible/directly opposed) to the Spirit.

IN the Kingdom of heaven, of God, the greatest is the servant of all.

Here Jesus teaches this inverse principle of the Spirit (as opposed to the flesh, where the opposite is true in the temporal):

Mark 9:35
And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.

It is hard to wrap our heads around the "last place finisher" being the winner. Our brains don't operate like that "in the flesh." But this same teaching is found again, throughout the scriptures. Paul isolates this exact matter in detail in 1 Cor. 15: 42-49

We see this same principle here:

Mark 10:44
And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.

And again, it's HARD for us to imagine the CHIEF being a SERVANT. We are soooo used to the CHIEF being the opposite, in our fleshly sights. We "naturally" see chief's as OVER the servants rather than a servant being the CHIEF.

But that is the operating principle behind the Spirit. It's an inverse operation compared to how the flesh/natural operates.

In actuality, Jesus, as the CHIEF is in fact THE SERVANT OF ALL.

And we likewise, are to see ourselves in the same capacity:

Luke 17:10
So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

This basic sight has many applications to tell if the direction one goes is of God, or of the flesh. Amongst believers we lean toward the natural sights, the biggest church, the best speaker in the pulpit, the most successful, etc etc. In many ways we maybe should run the other direction.

Matthew 23:11
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

This is what we are to expect from Jesus. Again, it is hard for us to see Him in this way, but this is what transpires:

Luke 12:37
Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

There is much more to be had in the sights of least/greatest, first/last in the sights of the Spirit that are deeply interesting.

I might also observe that when God takes any person DOWN to their very very lowest lowest painful rung, they are about to get SERVED directly from God Himself.

Jesus on His Cross and the power of God's Resurrection is exactly that same example.

His Mercy awaits at the BOTTOM.

If you are God's, then THAT is where you will be taken to receive HIS MERCY. God's Mercy comes to the AFFLICTED! This is Jesus sight to us ON HIS CROSS!

And, everyone will cry, OH NO! in the flesh, When they should see they are BLESSED in this type of chastisement from God, because affliction is the GROUND OF GOD'S MERCY.
 
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Psalm 25:16
Turn thee unto me, and have mercy upon me; for I am desolate and afflicted.

Isaiah 49:13
Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the Lord hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.

Isaiah 16:5
And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.

IF you are LOSING the race of the FLESH you are WINNING the race of the Spirit, and are going to cross the finish line as a WINNER in the Kingdom of HEAVEN.

 
So, as it may pertain to John the baptist, when we read that the 'LEAST' in the kingdom is greater than he, Who Is The Chief in the Kingdom of the LEAST, The Servant of ALL?

Uh, that would be Jesus, upholding ALL things, as said SERVANT.

We just have to understand the Divine Principle behind these "inverse equations."
 
It may be unusual for some to try to understand WHY the exact intention of Jesus is to do this:

1 Corinthians 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

It is in the DOWNWARD direction where the Mercy of God is invoked.

And God WILL have His Mercy! None can stop this by their power, authority and rule, from transpiring.

The "world" that we see with our eyes takes an OPPOSING VIEW. That by killing and by power and by might, they "think" they take power, and they do, IN THE FLESH.

God brings every power monger in the flesh, TEMPORAL as they all are, eventually, to their knees, by the power of DEATH.

We see John as beheaded by the local power monger, Herod.

What happened to Herod? The Spirit shows it's power over Herod in death:

Acts 12:
20 And Herod was highly displeased with them of Tyre and Sidon: but they came with one accord to him, and, having made Blastus the king's chamberlain their friend, desired peace; because their country was nourished by the king's country.
21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.

23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

Jesus gave us fair warning, here:

Luke 6:26
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

If any believer is traveling/walking in the Spirit, THIS is in fact what they should be "hearing."

Luke 21:17
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

Look at Herod. Hear all the flesh people?

Look at Jesus, you'll hear them ALL crying out for His DEATH.
 
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I guess we'll hear few AMEN's for losers.

Paul laid on himself, the sight of a LOSER in the flesh. FEW understand why he did so.

1 Timothy 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
 
JCitoL said:
ok, you did not get it, and yes, not only that i believe in Jesus Christ, but i (without vaunting) am His witness (not of jehovah's witnesses denomination/congregation)

i just said there is no absolute remission of (the) sins in the long run of the infinite circle of eternity just as even many innocent people did not get away with the evils that befell them - is it possible that this were absolutely causeless?!, but they also caused the same evils, albeit in previous eternities, even if it was millions eternities ago, of course this does not mean we can only/have only to wait for the destiny to be fulfilled, because it is given to us(the humans) to be able to choose better things for ourselves(including for all others) and to make the destiny better, otherwise there would be no such Holy Commandments of God, nor so many biblical scriptures of a total of thousands pages

Blessings
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I'm going to admit something to you, I ain't never going to get it. You begin speaking as a believer and then, in a manor that, just, screeches of heresy, a topic to never be taken lightly.

You, as I said, begin with the Bible but then you go into Star Wars and believe me, fantasy has no part with reality and the Bible is reality and it says nothing about past, future nor does it mention alternate Eternities/Realities.

And where did you get the JW thing from? I said nothing of the kind.
 
th1b.taylor said:
I'm going to admit something to you, I ain't never going to get it. You begin speaking as a believer and then, in a manor that, just, screeches of heresy, a topic to never be taken lightly.

You, as I said, begin with the Bible but then you go into Star Wars and believe me, fantasy has no part with reality and the Bible is reality and it says nothing about past, future nor does it mention alternate Eternities/Realities.

And where did you get the JW thing from? I said nothing of the kind.
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In JCitol's defense I believe he may have or live in a background populace that is engaged with eastern mysticism and "the different spirits" that the populace engages there. Just guessing though. He does write a lot about Hindu/Buddhist (anti) spiritual matters i.e. he is against those practices, which usually means that is what he's being exposed to.

It may also entail some language difficulties.
 
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In JCitol's defense I believe he may have or live in a background populace that is engaged with eastern mysticism and "the different spirits" that the populace engages there. Just guessing though. He does write a lot about Hindu/Buddhist (anti) spiritual matters i.e. he is against those practices, which usually means that is what he's being exposed to.

It may also entail some language difficulties.
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Thank you Smaller, we might need to ground him in the faith then. I had not spoken to him before this string.
 
th1b.taylor said:
I am sorry but both of the first two posts have drawn verses out of context.
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Until I'm shown how I have taken verses out of context, I stand by my post.

Also, it was easy to assume what verse kiwidan was referring to in his OP. No need for anyone to be so hard on him or he on himself. Since he was referring to Mt 11:11, his word for word memory may have been off, but the general idea was correct as far as John being "greater than a prophet". Since he was greater than any man born previously, he was greater than every prophet.
 
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