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[th1b.taylor]

the "former generations"(Ecc 1:11) are the previous positions/roles of the souls, i.e. their positions/roles of/during the previous eternities, because the positions/roles/personalities of the souls are inevitably interchanged (by) one step ahead (for) each consecutive eternity - no one of them can avoid this process (the process of the eternal circle)

Blessings

A generation has naught to do with Eternity and Eternity, by it's definition, is singular. There cannot be and therefore are not other other eternities except in the imaginations of those following the heretical Eastern Mystic teachings. It is beyond the truth taught in the holy and complete Word of God.

 

[JCitoL]

A generation has naught to do with Eternity and Eternity, by it's definition, is singular. There cannot be and therefore are not other other eternities except in the imaginations of those following the heretical Eastern Mystic teachings. It is beyond the truth taught in the holy and complete Word of God.

they are not eastern, but rather southern - india is located in southern eurasia, and i have nothing to do with them, moreover, they are on the side of the "darkness" with those their yoga, hinduism, sikhism, buddhism, etc.

we can hope the life in the true Lord God will continue a whole infinity for each soul without ever ending, but the message that we have (had) from Him is different, and of course i also choose there to be no end of the abundant life in Him for anyone - who would prefer to lose its life one day?!, therefore we can nevertheless hope for infinitelly lasting abundant life in Him for everyone, but some people may be deeply grieved if they understand someday there will be no such absolutely infinite life, furthermore, all the word of Christ and the Heavenly Father is based on the doctrine of eternal judgment, which is very well illustrated in the book Ecclesiastes, and which is (also) the basis of every sentence of the Bible

Blessings

 

[th1b.taylor]

they are not eastern, but rather southern - india is located in southern eurasia, and i have nothing to do with them, moreover, they are on the side of the "darkness" with those their yoga, hinduism, sikhism, buddhism, etc.

You are wrong because this is Eastern Mysticism and, certainly, is not supported with the Bible, the Word of God. No matter what rationalization you attempt to use, this teaching of alternate, sequential or whatever eternities, it is heresy. Scripture teaches of one eternal exhistance and there is no more.

You keep drawing verses out of their context, trying to change the meanings of certain words to sell your personal ideology, the thing you want to be true because if it were true and there were these rebirths you do not need to please God but scripture, from "In the beginning..." through the very last "Amen" of Revelation 22 is of the same context and that is how people like myself can stand true when we assure you and many other people that the Bible, the "Living Word of God" defines every word used in it's text itself.

You keep going to these mystics to define your thoughts and you can never be true to either God nor to god. The two do not mix.

we can hope the life in the true Lord God will continue a whole infinity for each soul without ever ending, but the message that we have (had) from Him is different, and of course i also choose there to be no end of the abundant life in Him for everyone - who would prefer to lose its life?!, therefore we can nevertheless hope for infinitelly lasting abundant life in Him for everyone, but some people may be deeply grieved if they understand someday there will be no such absolutely infinite life, furthermore, all the word of Christ and the Heavenly Father is based on the doctrine of eternal judgment, which is very well illustrated in the book Ecclesiastes, and is the basis of every sentence of the Bible

Blessings

 

[Jim Parker]

So Jesus says John is greater than a prophet, and the least in the kingdom is greater than him. That's a powerful statement every Christian should be humbling themselves.

Then Jesus says if anyone causes one of these little ones to stumble, they will be called least in the kingdom.

So how does that work?. The one who causes one to stumble is greater than John and a prophet.

I dont get it. If anyone decieves the sheep they are greater than John.

Or is it something to do with John being the last prophet of old.

You don't get it because you are trying to put two ideas together that don't belong together.

John the Baptist is less than the least of any member of the Kingdom of heaven because John comes before the New Covenant is established. Those under the New Covenant bear the presence of the Godhead (Trinity) within them (John 17:22-23) and, as the Bride of Christ are "one flesh" with Christ. (Eph 5:30-32)

As for the one who causes the "little ones" to stumble, Jesus said, "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea." (Mar 9:42 NKJV)

I believe you have confused that verse with Mat 5:19 which is found in a passage immediately following the "Beatitudes" with Jesus beginning to teach, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." (Mat 5:17 NKJV)

iakov the fool

 

[Roro1972]

why. I just said what Jesus said. Dont people trust me or something. I dont even have a bible so I dont know the scripture verse, I just know it all in my head from memory.

I may have not said all who were born from woman John is the greatest, but I dont need to because all are born from woman, except Adam and Eve. Im sure people know that.

These questions are just thoughts from memory.[/QUOTE
try this if you want to
http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-bible-text/

 

[JCitoL]

You are wrong because this is Eastern Mysticism and, certainly, is not supported with the Bible, the Word of God. No matter what rationalization you attempt to use, this teaching of alternate, sequential or whatever eternities, it is heresy. Scripture teaches of one eternal exhistance and there is no more.

You keep drawing verses out of their context, trying to change the meanings of certain words to sell your personal ideology, the thing you want to be true because if it were true and there were these rebirths you do not need to please God but scripture, from "In the beginning..." through the very last "Amen" of Revelation 22 is of the same context and that is how people like myself can stand true when we assure you and many other people that the Bible, the "Living Word of God" defines every word used in it's text itself.

You keep going to these mystics to define your thoughts and you can never be true to either God nor to god. The two do not mix.

bill, either penetrate and be more careful in reasoning on the matter of the God's Word to understand it rightly or do not make me out to be a lier, i do not support the so-called eastern mysticism, which (mysticism) actually is not eastern, but rather southern, because it comes from the region of india, a land that is not only physically located in southern eurasia, but, spiritually, is also from the spiritual south i.e., strictly speaking, from the occult, it was the land of the former nephilim("giants") i.e. the humans that became angels of satan through the "fire"(process) of the deep occultism and great idolatry now known as yoga and hinduism, i do not support any of their doctrines, and when i speak a word of God i just speak what the true Lord God gives me to speak, and if you are really reasonable, you will understand it is not possible that there be absolutely infinite life in Paradise after there have been billions of souls born in this world under sin and death for the last 5-6 millennia, because if the life was really infinite, then there would be no beginning such as that before 5-6 millennia when God created all the universal creation as if for the first time, for if the life is infinite, then there will be no beginning nor end for it, because infinity means without beginning or end, but there was a beginning only 5-6 millennia ago, and there have been billions souls born in this world under sin and death, which shows those souls had/have not had absolutely infinite life in the Paradise, because if they had/have had such, then they would have remained there (in the Paradise), for it is not possible that they did not inherit eternal life at any point of the elapsed time's infinity (because, though we talk about the elapsed time's infinity, it can again be said that it had/has been absolutely infinite when there was no beginning at all), but here is how they have been born in this world under sin and death, moreover, this world was created only about 5-6 millennia ago, so now is the relevant question, what had been before the beginning that is described in the Bible?!, is it possible that God had been idle or inexistant then (i.e. for all that elapsed time's infinity)?!, and if the souls are infinite (because only then they could inherit eternal or infinite life), then where had they been and what had they done before the beginning that came 5-6 millennia ago?!

do you see now how we the true witnesses of the true Lord God do not lie when we speak a word of God?!

Blessings

 

[th1b.taylor]

And India is East of Jerusalem and you cannot move it. And some of what you are seeking to teach here is directly from that region and has no part with Christianity. If it is not found in scripture without redefining certain words it is not of God.

 

[JCitoL]

And India is East of Jerusalem and you cannot move it. And some of what you are seeking to teach here is directly from that region and has no part with Christianity. If it is not found in scripture without redefining certain words it is not of God.

i did/do not profess three gunas, karma, samsara(cycle of reincarnational evolution and de-evolution), kundalini, chakras, vibration aum, sat-cit-ananda, yugas, kalpas, brahma, vishnu, shiva, krishna, yoga, nor any (other) of the hindu doctrines, but i talked about the eternity without making it out to be enormous as the vedic eternity is, the vedas talk about one demigod named "brahma" who (according to them) is ostensibly the creator of this world, and whose life lasts about 300 trillion years, while one day of brahma is 4.32 billion years, and the physical life for the besouled creatures is possible only during it, namely then (according to the vedas) the process of rebirth should happen (each soul passes through 8 million animal forms of life and 400 thousand human forms, which is the ascending(evolutionary) direction of the process of samsara, then it may (and actually (according to the represented conditions there) is very likely to) continue to pass again through all those 8,4 million animal and human forms but this time in the descending(de-evolutionary/retrogressive) direction of the same process), and so on ad infinitum/to infinity, and after brahma dies, a new one is born in his place, however, (according to the vedas) there are countless brahmas in the universe, and for these reasons the vedic eternity could last zillions of zillions years, but of course, and fortunately/thank God, everything that is represented/explained in the vedas is a lie, while the God of the biblical scriptures is just, equitable, righteous, reasonable and rational, that is why He does not make nor let there be demigods/sub-gods, but He is the only true God and there are no other gods besides Him, nor does He make/let the universe be with complex hierarchical structure, but everything is simplified in one whole universal creation no matter how boundless the universe may be/is, and in principle the soul(whichever may be) may be born in this world only once as well as being likely to die only once within one eternity - this is not a rebirth, because we talk about the possibility in regard to birth and death within one eternity...

why exactly to redefine, why not to explain/illustrate?!, and where is it written in the Bible that all biblical words and expressions have quite direct meanings without having figurative at all?!, but it is even written there are a lot of spiritual things hard to be explained in literal words and that can principally/primarily be perceived/understood spiritually:

2 Peter 3:15-16 "account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable(i.e. those that do not have the right faith and are not approved therein) wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.",

1 Corinthians 2:1-16 "I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

of course by saying all these things i do not judge/doom any person, but:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Blessings

 

[Jim Parker]

the "former generations"(Ecc 1:11) are the previous positions/roles of the souls, i.e. their positions/roles of/during the previous eternities, because the positions/roles/personalities of the souls are inevitably interchanged (by) one step ahead (for) each consecutive eternity - no one of them can avoid this process (the process of the eternal circle)

Blessings

An eternity has no ending. There cannot be another eternity after eternity because there is no "after" to eternity.

The words "former generations" refer to previous generations of people such as grand parents, great grand parents and people who lived hundreds of years ago. There is absolutely no inkling of a suggestion of hint of "previous eternities".

There is nothing in the old or new testament to suggest that souls go through iterations in consecutive "eternities."

With regard to Biblical theology, what you are proposing is nonsense.


iakov the fool

 

[th1b.taylor]

i did/do not profess three gunas, karma, samsara(cycle of reincarnational evolution and de-evolution), kundalini, chakras, vibration aum, sat-cit-ananda, yugas, kalpas, brahma, vishnu, shiva, krishna, yoga, nor any (other) of the hindu doctrines, but i talked about the eternity without making it out to be enormous as the vedic eternity is, the vedas talk about one demigod named "brahma" who (according to them) is ostensibly the creator of this world, and whose life lasts about 300 trillion years, while one day of brahma is 4.32 billion years, and the physical life for the besouled creatures is possible only during it, namely then (according to the vedas) the process of rebirth should happen (each soul passes through 8 million animal forms of life and 400 thousand human forms, which is the ascending(evolutionary) direction of the process of samsara, then it may (and actually (according to the represented conditions there) is very likely to) continue to pass again through all those 8,4 million animal and human forms but this time in the descending(de-evolutionary/retrogressive) direction of the same process), and so on ad infinitum/to infinity, and after brahma dies, a new one is born in his place, however, (according to the vedas) there are countless brahmas in the universe, and for these reasons the vedic eternity could last zillions of zillions years, but of course, and fortunately/thank God, everything that is represented/explained in the vedas is a lie, while the God of the biblical scriptures is just, equitable, righteous, reasonable and rational, that is why He does not make nor let there be demigods/sub-gods, but He is the only true God and there are no other gods besides Him, nor does He make/let the universe be with complex hierarchical structure, but everything is simplified in one whole universal creation no matter how boundless the universe may be/is, and in principle the soul(whichever may be) may be born in this world only once as well as being likely to die only once within one eternity - this is not a rebirth, because we talk about the possibility in regard to birth and death within one eternity...

why exactly to redefine, why not to explain/illustrate?!, and where is it written in the Bible that all biblical words and expressions have quite direct meanings without having figurative at all?!, but it is even written there are a lot of spiritual things hard to be explained in literal words and that can principally/primarily be perceived/understood spiritually:

2 Peter 3:15-16 "account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable(i.e. those that do not have the right faith and are not approved therein) wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.",

1 Corinthians 2:1-16 "I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

of course by saying all these things i do not judge/doom any person, but:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Blessings

This post is nothing more than one long lesson in eastern Mysticism. As for specific verses, nope, you must meet God on His terms, not yours. Neither you, I nor anyone else can garner the power to command God and you will need to read all of the scripture, at least once, and you must do so while, earnestly and truthfully, seeking the truth.

If you do this with the preparation of sincere, heart felt prayer, God will send the Holy Spirit to explain all to you and you will never need to question me because you will receive the answer directly from God.

 

[smaller]

Unless we were immersed into the eastern social philosophies that are applicable to India that are necessary to understand "their" mindset in order to engage their people with Christ, it's kind of pointless to rail on JCitol.

To dialog means to understand where others come from. What is everyday normal to him will seem foreign to us because we are not exposed to it like he is.

 

[JCitoL]

there is no point to argue more, either believe and understand or not, i can't brainwash my brother/neighbor with the truth of God and Jesus, but if someone wants to live with the fantasy that the souls inherit infinitely lasting life which never ends, provided that there have been billions of human besouled beings born in this world in the midst of sin and death for the last 5-6 millennia, then i prefer not to intrude upon it, nor do i prefer to intrude into its fantasy - i don't think that people will make use of something (ostensibly) existing infinitely only because they naively believe so

Aramaic Bible in Plain English Revelation 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends for the eternity of eternities, and there is no rest, day or night, for those who worship The Beast and its Image and for him who takes the mark of its name."

why must i affirm that only some interpretations of the Scripture are sensible only because they are considered to be standard by many people according to an old tradition, while deeming all the rest false?!

Blessings

 

[th1b.taylor]

there is no point to argue more, either believe and understand or not, i can't brainwash my brother/neighbor with the truth of God and Jesus, but if someone wants to live with the fantasy that the souls inherit infinitely lasting life which never ends, provided that there have been billions of human besouled beings born in this world in the midst of sin and death for the last 5-6 millennia, then i prefer not to intrude upon it, nor do i prefer to intrude into its fantasy - i don't think that people will make use of something (ostensibly) existing infinitely only because they naively believe so

Aramaic Bible in Plain English Revelation 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends for the eternity of eternities, and there is no rest, day or night, for those who worship The Beast and its Image and for him who takes the mark of its name."

why must i affirm that only some interpretations of the Scripture are sensible only because they are considered to be standard by many people according to an old tradition, while deeming all the rest false?!

Blessings

Your own quoted scripture says, 11 And kthe smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:" And their torture is never ending. Add to that your complete lack of any verses from the Word of the God, the Goid of Creation supporting this Eastern Mystic Concept of Other Eternities and your teaching of such is not of God!

God does not need the help of any man nor did He consult any man when He laid out the rewards of Belief and disbelief. And yet you keep trying to convict me one translation is better than the many. Even the, pure, logic of man recoils at such an idea.

And in a previous post you mentioned and then denied publishing it that we are reincarnated. You did not speak the term, just the concept, when you mentioned that none of us know how many Eternities in the past we have lived, that is reincarnation.

Heb. 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

We live the Natural life once and then we either live in Heaven or in Hell.

Jesus, on Matthew 7 said, "13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

These are truths that determine a man's Eternal (forever) Fate.

 

[JCitoL]

Your own quoted scripture says, 11 And kthe smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:" And their torture is never ending. Add to that your complete lack of any verses from the Word of the God, the Goid of Creation supporting this Eastern Mystic Concept of Other Eternities and your teaching of such is not of God!

God does not need the help of any man nor did He consult any man when He laid out the rewards of Belief and disbelief. And yet you keep trying to convict me one translation is better than the many. Even the, pure, logic of man recoils at such an idea.

And in a previous post you mentioned and then denied publishing it that we are reincarnated. You did not speak the term, just the concept, when you mentioned that none of us know how many Eternities in the past we have lived, that is reincarnation.

Heb. 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

We live the Natural life once and then we either live in Heaven or in Hell.

Jesus, on Matthew 7 said, "13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

These are truths that determine a man's Eternal (forever) Fate.

if we are not aware of (the) things we have not seen, then why must we claim one or another for those things?!, but there are also prophets, elders, preachers and witnesses of That Who really is the only true Lord God of the entire universe(even if it turns out to be absolutely boundless), who are aware of many things, as it was in the case of St. John and the Elders, Angels and Saints who acquainted him with all those secret things presented in the book Revelation, so what makes you think/why do you think no one here is such?!

and what means "ever and ever"?!, did you at least check/read what is written about this biblical word("ever" - "αἰών") in the biblical glossary to understand its meaning in depth?!, let's make this easy:

αἰών - Strong's G165
(transliteration) aiōn
(pronunciation) ī-ō'n

1. for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity

2. the worlds, universe

3. period of time, age

so, as you can see, the matter at hand is the eternity, which is both endless and periodic, because there is always a new beginning of (the) eternity after its end so that the eternity is like a continuously rotating wheel which never stops to make revolutions (...n revolution, n+1 revolution, n+2 revolution, ...., n+x revolution, and so on to infinity), it is also like a dvd/blu-ray disc with the same film placed in a playback device set to repeat mode so that it can be played incessantly over and over again to infinity, but it is always the same film/movie as ever before, yet only the roles are interchanged

so there are no reincarnations, because reincarnation is when a soul is physically born more than once within one single eternity, but in our case, which is the real/true one, there is in principle only one possible physical birth as well as only one possible physical death within one single eternity

Hebrews 9:26-27 "now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

bear in mind that Jesus, the Lord, was physically born once in the second half of the time during which the "darkness" could reign, which means there are no more than about 5-6 millennia as a possibility for the "darkness" to reign within one single eternity (reckoned from the beginning), and at this rate one single eternity is not so long when it began only 5-6 millennia ago and the possibility for the "darkness" to reign is actually at its end

you quarreled in a previous post lest i send you to hell for telling you about Heaven and hell, now you alone say we will either live in Heaven or in hell?!, but the purpose of (the) faith is to work for overall salvation in the true Lord God, regardless of what has been said/written, because we can afford it bearing in mind that every good thing within the framework of the eternity is possible for Him - even full salvation and abundant life for every soul until the end of the eternity

Hebrews 6:1-9 "leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak."

Blessings

 

[Sinthesis]

That's an interesting idea. Wrong but interesting. I personally believe much of the illustrations of non Christian religion are truths somehow twisted into untruths. I suspect that identifying the how and why of these twists might be a valuable tool for converting those trapped by them.

 

[th1b.taylor]

if we are not aware of (the) things we have not seen, then why must we claim one or another for those things?!, but there are also prophets, elders, preachers and witnesses of That Who really is the only true Lord God of the entire universe(even if it turns out to be absolutely boundless), who are aware of many things, as it was in the case of St. John and the Elders, Angels and Saints who acquainted him with all those secret things presented in the book Revelation, so what makes you think/why do you think no one here is such?!

There you go putting words and thoughts, never spoken nor thought, into my mouth making yourself an evidence proofed teller of false tales. This is not of God.

 

[th1b.taylor]

if we are not aware of (the) things we have not seen, then why must we claim one or another for those things?!, but there are also prophets, elders, preachers and witnesses of That Who really is the only true Lord God of the entire universe(even if it turns out to be absolutely boundless), who are aware of many things, as it was in the case of St. John and the Elders, Angels and Saints who acquainted him with all those secret things presented in the book Revelation, so what makes you think/why do you think no one here is such?!

and what means "ever and ever"?!, did you at least check/read what is written about this biblical word("ever" - "αἰών") in the biblical glossary to understand its meaning in depth?!, let's make this easy:

αἰών - Strong's G165
(transliteration) aiōn
(pronunciation) ī-ō'n

1. for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity

2. the worlds, universe

3. period of time, age

so, as you can see, the matter at hand is the eternity, which is both endless and periodic, because there is always a new beginning of (the) eternity after its end so that the eternity is like a continuously rotating wheel which never stops to make revolutions (...n revolution, n+1 revolution, n+2 revolution, ...., n+x revolution, and so on to infinity), it is also like a dvd/blu-ray disc with the same film placed in a playback device set to repeat mode so that it can be played incessantly over and over again to infinity, but it is always the same film/movie as ever before, yet only the roles are interchanged

so there are no reincarnations, because reincarnation is when a soul is physically born more than once within one single eternity, but in our case, which is the real/true one, there is in principle only one possible physical birth as well as only one possible physical death within one single eternity

Hebrews 9:26-27 "now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

bear in mind that Jesus, the Lord, was physically born once in the second half of the time during which the "darkness" could reign, which means there are no more than about 5-6 millennia as a possibility for the "darkness" to reign within one single eternity (reckoned from the beginning), and at this rate one single eternity is not so long when it began only 5-6 millennia ago and the possibility for the "darkness" to reign is actually at its end

you quarreled in a previous post lest i send you to hell for telling you about Heaven and hell, now you alone say we will either live in Heaven or in hell?!, but the purpose of (the) faith is to work for overall salvation in the true Lord God, regardless of what has been said/written, because we can afford it bearing in mind that every good thing within the framework of the eternity is possible for Him - even full salvation and abundant life for every soul until the end of the eternity

Hebrews 6:1-9 "leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak."

Blessings

The easiest thing to do, in the world, is to fall on your knees and beg God to show you the Truth without a man, such as I being involved. You continue building on what the Most Holy God has shown me to be a lie and when the foundation is a lie, the end of such is also a lie.

 

[JCitoL]

That's an interesting idea. Wrong but interesting. I personally believe much of the illustrations of non Christian religion are truths somehow twisted into untruths. I suspect that identifying the how and why of these twists might be a valuable tool for converting those trapped by them.

There you go putting words and thoughts, never spoken nor thought, into my mouth making yourself an evidence proofed teller of false tales. This is not of God.

The easiest thing to do, in the world, is to fall on your knees and beg God to show you the Truth without a man, such as I being involved. You continue building on what the Most Holy God has shown me to be a lie and when the foundation is a lie, the end of such is also a lie.

what to say?!, (without boasting about myself) i have been a witness of God and Jesus since the beginning, albeit now born here in this world, and what i have had as a word of Lord God since the beginning is that there's an end of all the universal creation in the end of the eternity, as well as a sequent beginning - it is an incessant cycle/circle, and this doctrine (of eternal judgment) is more or less important, because what if any man received a baptism, but starts/continues to cause evil to its neighbor because he was told that all (his) sins will be forgiven, so he could sin to the last knowing he will then live in the Paradise to infinity - where is the edification?!, that is why the doctrine of eternal judgment is important

Ecclesiastes 3:14-15 "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past."

(without vaunting myself) when i speak a god's word, i do it not of myself, but this wisdom is too perfect to be not of the true Lord God, and i cannot afford to pamper human desire/wish instead of the Will of God, which is why and how i has more or less been a true brother in Christ, albeit most insignificant, at least because i do not mislead/lie people about God and faith, while some pretending to be brothers actually have not been on the side of the true Lord God and the true Saints only because His truth has not been what they have wanted to be, misleading/lying not only themselves but even many others, and when some of us and the true Saints needed a support in defense against the incursion of the antichrists(the spiritual servants/workers of the unrighteousness), the spiritual traitors were not available to support the true brothers in faith, but preferred to live with the sin as though only lest they should suffer persecutions for the cross of Christ - i say these things without judging/dooming any person, and yet i do not claim the defilement comes physically from outside, nor do i claim the physical consumption must be used at all costs, but there has definitely been a spiritual iniquity

however, we can repent of our iniquities, which is why the repentance is the main theme in the Bible, i don't mean that any believer must completely repent at once, but it could at least be little by little/step by step

Blessings

 

[th1b.taylor]

what to say?!, (without boasting about myself) i have been a witness of God and Jesus since the beginning, albeit now born here in this world, and what i have had as a word of Lord God since the beginning is that there's an end of all the universal creation in the end of the eternity, as well as a sequent beginning - it is an incessant cycle/circle, and this doctrine (of eternal judgment) is more or less important, because what if any man received a baptism, but starts/continues to cause evil to its neighbor because he was told that all (his) sins will be forgiven, so he could sin to the last knowing he will then live in the Paradise to infinity - where is the edification?!, that is why the doctrine of eternal judgment is important

No! Your witness is false. You must get rid of the parts that do not agree with what God has taught us and multiple eternities and reincarnation "are" Eastern Mysticism and that very thing is what drew me into this conversation. If a thing does not agree with the Bible, it is a lie.

 

[JCitoL]

No! Your witness is false. You must get rid of the parts that do not agree with what God has taught us

what are they?!, i can remember some "believers" that ever stood against the truth with great objection and repugnance, but whenever they were asked to explain what their problem is, they were never able to give, and never gave, a reasonable answer, as if they came directly from hell only to torture the Saints

and multiple eternities and reincarnation "are" Eastern Mysticism and that very thing is what drew me into this conversation. If a thing does not agree with the Bible, it is a lie.

the doctrine of reincarnations is such, but the doctrine of eternal judgment is not, because it is even very well presented in the Bible, moreover, all the word/truth of God and Christ is based on and consistent with it, while the doctrine of reincarnations is not but is one whole (system and mechanism) (together) with the doctrines of: prakriti/maya, the three gunas, karma, samsara, the yugas, the kalpas, brahma-vishnu-shiva, etc. (if you are aware of/know these things), in addition to the fact that it is also contrary to everything (that is) presented as (a) perfect truth and righteousness in the Bible

Hebrews 6:2 "the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

Blessings