How exactly is Divorce without cause and remarriage NOT ADULTERY?

[artful horizon]

I have given the context and that is what it clearly shows.


About what? Your conjectures are pointless.

I haven't refused to speak to anything. So, you cannot provide a single verse in which God blesses specifically only marriages between believers. Instead you prefer to give more conjecture about what God does and doesn't bless.

Pointless. Yeah, I can see why.

 

[artful horizon]

 

[for_his_glory]

The suggestion was to seek pastoral counseling. Short of maybe some of the Pope’s in history, What believer doesn't recognize his need for more Christian leadership and counseling???

Because of this do not become foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And do not be drunk with wine (in which is dissipation [asōtía (from 1 /A "without" and 4982/sṓzō, "save") – properly, what can't be saved (waste); (figuratively) prodigality, spiritual wastefulness due to excessive behavior and the dire consequences it brings.]), but be filled by the Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and singing praise in your heart to the Lord, giving thanks always for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to the God and Father, being subject to one another out of reverence for Christ —wives to their own husbands as to the Lord, because the husband is the head of the wife, as also Christ is the head of the church (he himself being the Savior of the body). Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for her; in order that he might sanctify her by cleansing her with the washing of water by the word; in order that he might present to himself the church glorious, not having a spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she may be holy and blameless. Thus also husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies. The one who loves his own wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as also Christ does the church, because we are members of his body.​

Ephesians 5:17-23,25-30 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Ephesians 5:17-23,25-30&version=LEB

The Epistles themselves are ‘counseling’ to church members. Some of which contains marriage counseling

Every Christian husband has to “understand what the will of the Lord is” for their husbandry. It doesn’t come naturally and needs to be taught, retaught and practiced. Attending church twice, just doesn’t cut it.

Drugs and alcohol are demons hard to fight. Him going to church a couple of times means seeds have been planted, but the root not yet allowed to take. When a root does start to grow unless it drinks of the water (Gods word) will soon die. He was brought up a Christian with his father being a Bishop in the Baptist Church, but some devastating circumstances of his past caused him to blame himself for a tragedy that happened and he turn to drugs and alcohol instead of seeking God for comfort and counsel and also turned away from AA meetings he should have continued in. Deep inside apart from the demons he is a loving caring man, but the demons inside overruled all that is good within him. The last I heard about him he was attending Church again and changing his life so those seeds that were planted finally all these years later took root and started growing.

 

[chessman]

Not a single thing in your post supports what your argument.

Twelve things (at least) support my argument from the context.

It's all conjecture.

No it’s context.

You are wanting verse 14 to say something it does not.

No I’m not. It’s clearly about more than worshipping.

The context very clearly is only in reference to joining in the worship of idols.

You are claiming (not effectively) an opinion that v14 is only about worship of idols when clearly it’s about whom to partner with (or not) in various aspects and “affections” of life as the context of the letter, indeed the chapter, proves. To include in whom to partner with in marriage, in fellowship, in ministry, in sleepless nights, etc. as a showed.

Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers, for what participation is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness?​

2 Corinthians 6:14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=2 Corinthians 6:14&version=LEB

And it’s God who yokes spouses together:

and said, ‘On account of this a man will leave his father and his mother and will be joined to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, man must not separate.”​

Matthew 19:5-6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Matthew 19:5-6&version=LEB

As for Paul’s mention of idols versus The Temple of God, this too supports my case, from the entire chapter. The reason for believers not joining or participating with unbelievers in life’s activities are listed rhetorically by contrasting agreement problems such would pose between:

1 righteousness and lawlessness
2. light and darkness
3. Christ and Beliar (Satan)?
4. believer and unbeliever
5. the temple of God and idols

“and do not touch what is unclean, and I will welcome you,​

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=2 Corinthians 6:14-17&version=LEB

Do not touch an idol!
Do not touch an unbeliever!

 

[artful horizon]

There is a faction in the church that imagines the term yoked pertains to idol worshipers. Boy what a stretch!
2 Corinthians 6:14-15 is pretty clear to those in the church with the clarity to see what is being spoken of by Paul and the context being he's writing to a deeply pagan city church in Corinth. And hoping to direct the people of Christ there to understand the difference between the saved and the damned. Especially as it pertains to marriage.
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. 2 Corinthians 6:14-15. This of course cannot be speaking to idol worshipers as Paul is writing to Christians who are not idol worshipers.
What would the Christian, that one who is in Christ, have in common with those who worship Belial? Nothing!
Paul then proceeds to compare what are the opposites between the saved, redeemed, and those who are dead in their sins.
What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? Hebrews 13 speaks of a Godly marriage.


A marriage between Christians, believers? What in common is there between those who worship Christ and those who do not believe he exists? Are unbelievers?
Remember too, the debate that still rages on in the community of Christ since homosexuals have been granted the right to enter into State contracted unions, as do Christians. And how that is opposed in the community of Christ. Those unbelievers, entering into the covenant God ordained in Genesis.

 

[chessman]

Drugs and alcohol are demons hard to fight.

I assume you mean this figuratively, not literally. But yes, alcoholism and drug addiction are tough on a soul.

And do not be drunk with wine (in which is dissipation [asōtía (from 1 /A "without" and 4982/sṓzō, "save") – properly, what can't be saved (waste); (figuratively) prodigality, spiritual wastefulness due to excessive behavior and the dire consequences it brings.]

Being drunk is the real issue, not the alcohol itself.

Being a drunk is, quite literally, Biblically and grammatically being a-sṓzō.

Without salvation or without-Savior, as that’s what the Greek word translated dissipation literally means.

Look it up.

 

[for_his_glory]

I assume you mean this figuratively, not literally. But yes, alcoholism and drug addiction are tough on a soul.



Being drunk is the real issue, not the alcohol itself.

Being a drunk is, quite literally, Biblically and grammatically being a-sṓzō.

Without salvation or without-Savior, as that’s what the Greek word translated dissipation literally means.

Look it up.

I'm talking literally as the demon came within the excess and drugs and overtook and even altered his facial expression. He wasn't a drunk in the sense of someone continuously drinking, but drank to much at a time causing him to be excessive in the drink and it didn't help mixing it with drugs. He was not without salvation, but hindering his fellowship with the Lord as God never left or forsook him, but waited patiently for him to return to Him. Maybe I should have fought harder for our marriage to work, but I would probably be dead right now, I don't know. I did divorce him on the grounds of spousal abuse and adultery and to this day I don't know if he knows he's divorced or not as I had to pay for a search to find him as he lost the house, but the county where we lived wanted more money to continue searching and the judge here said no and granted my divorce.

 

[reba]

We're not to be married, yoked, with unbelievers either. Divorce is remedy for that as we know.

What passage says divorce is a remedy for being unequally yoked.?

 

[billybalke]

This caught my eye...
Our salvation is at stake if we are mixed up in unlawful marriages. God's law on divorce and remarriage is as much a part of God's law to be obeyed as any other part is. I only wish I could capitalize some words for emphasis!
Spoken like a true Church of Christ disciple. I actually know of couples in the Church of Christ who sleep in different beds because their marriage is "Adultry" according to CofC doctrines.

There is only one sin that I am aware of that is unpardonable... and it isn't divorce.

All sins require repentance. Other than that we must fully depend upon His grace and mercy.

I remember you when in Texas and at that time you were a member of the church of Christ and were having marital problems. I pray you have solved them.

BTW can you show me where my post was unscriptural?

To be deep in scripture is to cease being Catholic, Protestant, Jew and Calvinist
Rom.16:16

 

[stovebolts]

All sins require repentance. Other than that we must fully depend upon His grace and mercy.

I remember you when in Texas and at that time you were a member of the church of Christ and were having marital problems. I pray you have solved them.

BTW can you show me where my post was unscriptural?

To be deep in scripture is to cease being Catholic, Protestant, Jew and Calvinist
Rom.16:16

Hello Billy. Yes, we were having marital problems, in part due to some unbiblical advice from an Elder. It about put us in divorce. Thanks be to God he put a great Christian counselor in our midst (not church of Christ) our marriage has never been stronger. And yes, I still attend the church of Christ and I did bring this matter directly to the Elders and we hashed things out biblically.

Yes, all ignorant sins should be rectified once it has become known. But in the case of divorce, this isn't always the case. Reconciliation from an unbiblical divorce is not always possible so in the matter, repentance may simply be growing from your mistakes with a new spouse. After all, Paul murdered Christians, so repentance would not be bringing them back from the dead.

As far as your post being unscriptual, you made this an issue of salvation and I don't buy into that as a blanket statement. If you care to make your case, I'd certainly entertain the discussion.

 

[reba]

 

[billybalke]

Hello Billy. Yes, we were having marital problems, in part due to some unbiblical advice from an Elder. It about put us in divorce. Thanks be to God he put a great Christian counselor in our midst (not church of Christ) our marriage has never been stronger. And yes, I still attend the church of Christ and I did bring this matter directly to the Elders and we hashed things out biblically.

Yes, all ignorant sins should be rectified once it has become known. But in the case of divorce, this isn't always the case. Reconciliation from an unbiblical divorce is not always possible so in the matter, repentance may simply be growing from your mistakes with a new spouse. After all, Paul murdered Christians, so repentance would not be bringing them back from the dead.

As far as your post being unscriptual, you made this an issue of salvation and I don't buy into that as a blanket statement. If you care to make your case, I'd certainly entertain the discussion.

At the time you were having marital problems I recall my efforts to console you. I also recall you were soft on instrumental music in worship.

As for Saul's victims while he could not bring them back from the dead, surely you will agree it repented of it.

As for making my "case", I would cite Gal.5:19-21 "----no adulterer shall inherit the kingdom of heaven." As Reba says: "Im just quoting the scripture."

I'm very thankful and glad for you that your marriage has worked out. To God be the glory!

God bless, Billy

 

[Traveling teacher]

What passage says divorce is a remedy for being unequally yoked.?

It doesnt
Bible says to stay with your unbelieving mate
1 corinthians 7:13

 

[reba]

We the Church need to start teaching Biblical Marriage.. Before the first, second third marriage ... The divorced Christians i know have hurts and pain because of divorce even when they are at fault... more hurts when children are involved..
Justifying our actions our sins is building a weak church

 

[billybalke]

We the Church need to start teaching Biblical Marriage.. Before the first, second third marriage ... The divorced Christians i know have hurts and pain because of divorce even when they are at fault... more hurts when children are involved..
Justifying our actions our sins is building a weak church

Amen!

 

[artful horizon]

What passage says divorce is a remedy for being unequally yoked.?

1 Corinthians 7:15
But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.

 

[reba]

That is a stretch.....

1 Corinthians 7:15
But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.

not quite the same with more context
1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

 

[artful horizon]

Yes, but you asked for a specific verse. 1 Cor 7: 15 is that. And in context with the rest of the verses you posted. Thanks for that. It does make it a bigger picture that does support we can divorce an unbelieving spouse.

 

[reba]

Why do so many wish to subvert God's Word..
The only Godly grounds for divorce is fornication of some sort...

as to the topic of this thread which is

How exactly is Divorce without cause and remarriage NOT ADULTERY?

1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried,

 

[reba]

yup just because the Church wants the freedoms of the world does not make it right