How many verses are required to prove a false doctrine?

[Tenchi]

Why would God exclude any of His creation from salvation?

He hasn't. They exclude themselves.

 

[Tenchi]

You said we can’t do anything for salvation now you say we must do something?

Has the man who's lying on the operating table, awaiting the removal of tumor from his brain saved himself from the lethal effect of his tumor? No. Though the man has believed he's sick with a tumor, and that the brain surgeon can remove his tumor, and though the man has got up on the operating table to be operated on, if the surgeon doesn't remove the tumor, nothing the sick man has done is worth a hill of beans. No amount of belief in his diagnosis or the skill of the brain surgeon, no amount of desire to be saved, no length of time lying on the operating table can save the sick man. ONLY the surgeon can remove his brain tumor; all the sick man can do is receive the saving work of the surgeon.

In the same way, I can only receive the saving work of the Great Physician; I can do nothing to contribute to his removal of the "tumor" of my sin. No amount of belief that I'm truly sin-sick, no amount of belief that the Great Physician can "cure" me, no amount of trust in him to do so saves me. Only the work of the Great Physician will make me well.

 

[donadams]

I don't reject the church.
I just reject the false churches.

There is only one true church established by Christ Jesus on Peter and the apostles

 

[donadams]

Christ declares the Kingdom is within us.

Is that Kingdom visible/physical?

Neither.

Both
The mystical body of christ
Holy mother church
The new covenant

 

[donadams]

Because they hate Him.

Then that’s their choice not God’s
Some like the Freemasons do have a seething hated of Lucifer

He hasn't. They exclude themselves.

yiu said there is nothing we can do to be saved?

Has the man who's lying on the operating table, awaiting the removal of tumor from his brain saved himself from the lethal effect of his tumor? No. Though the man has believed he's sick with a tumor, and that the brain surgeon can remove his tumor, and though the man has got up on the operating table to be operated on, if the surgeon doesn't remove the tumor, nothing the sick man has done is worth a hill of beans. No amount of belief in his diagnosis or the skill of the brain surgeon, no amount of desire to be saved, no length of time lying on the operating table can save the sick man. ONLY the surgeon can remove his brain tumor; all the sick man can do is receive the saving work of the surgeon.

In the same way, I can only receive the saving work of the Great Physician; I can do nothing to contribute to his removal of the "tumor" of my sin. No amount of belief that I'm truly sin-sick, no amount of belief that the Great Physician can "cure" me, no amount of trust in him to do so saves me. Only the work of the Great Physician will make me well.

faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16
Faith alone avails nothing 1 cor 13;2

 

[F345T]

Both
The mystical body of christ
Holy mother church
The new covenant

God's Kingdom is made up of people, not abstract concepts like the New Covenant.

"“Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."
Matt. 7:21

Nowhere does the Bible give any impression that Jesus' glorified body is the Kingdom, nor does it say that the Catholic church is the Kingdom of God just as Jesus stated His Kingdom is not of this world and that it is inside us. It is not any physical denomination upon the earth.

 

[Tenchi]

faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16
Faith alone avails nothing 1 cor 13;2

Nope. Assertions are not arguments. They prove nothing, by themselves. And you've been shown your mistakes in this area quite comprehensively already.

 

[donadams]

God's Kingdom is made up of people, not abstract concepts like the New Covenant.

"“Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."
Matt. 7:21

Nowhere does the Bible give any impression that Jesus' glorified body is the Kingdom, nor does it say that the Catholic church is the Kingdom of God just as Jesus stated His Kingdom is not of this world and that it is inside us. It is not any physical denomination upon the earth.

It is His mystical body!

Jn 3:5 says can’t enter the kingdom on your own

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2 Pet 1:11 says: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Faith & baptism

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Because faith is required you jump to the conclusion of “faith alone”!

Faith alone is condemned!

Mk 16:16

Yes, there’re five “alones” - God alone (as in monotheism, only one creator God); Christ alone (as in exclusivity of Christ, no other religions); grace alone; faith alone; Scripture alone.

 

[Hopeful 2]

There is only one true church established by Christ Jesus on Peter and the apostles

Agreed, "The Church By Christ Jesus (Eph 3:21)"
All the false churches that sprang from it accommodate sin.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Then that’s their choice not God’s

Correct.

 

[Corinth77777]

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Because faith is required you jump to the conclusion of “faith alone”!

Faith alone is condemned!

Mk 16:16

Lol you still have not read what I wrote, because if you did you would see that it's not our faith It's Christ's faith alone. So we know you don't read the post. But maybe I still have hope, but instead I will pray that God opens up your eyes.

Only the system of doctrine and church established by Christ! Matt 28:19

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5 (the church is the new Jerusalem the kingdom) gal 4:26 (one church) Jn 10:16

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

And required for salvation

Not sure why you are posting a whole bunch of scriptures and then making a statenent? Can you speak plainly.

 

[Corinth77777]

Because faith is required you jump to the conclusion of “faith alone”!

Faith alone is condemned!

Mk 16:16

Faith alone is not condemn in this passage:

Mark 16:16 New International Version 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

1. Baptized is to be immersed or surrounded by
But we know Jesus does not Baptize with water

2. We also know baptism was done after one accepted a particular teaching. As those baptized into Moses under the cloud and in the red sea.

3. The Baptism of repentance was still being preached to some who never repented.

4. If I turn off the light before I go to sleep. LOGICALLY, one can say those who turn off the light and go to sleep will be refreshed, but those who do not go to sleep will not.
Why did I not add turn off the light? Because people can and do go to sleep with the light on, and at different times of the day.

And that is the logical aspect in Mark 16:16

As people get delivered from sins who have not been baptized in water. God can save people where there is No water for bathing. The key is believe

5. Mark 16:16 never says He who is not baptized with water will not be saved.

So now what, will you still parrot things not true because you have accepted your catholic doctrine for salvation?.Don't get me wrong their are many Catholics that don't believe as you. My spouse grew up Catholic, but read the Bible he came.out of that. And so again I say to you: come out of Babylon.

 

[donadams]

Yes, there’re five “alones” - God alone (as in monotheism, only one creator God); Christ alone (as in exclusivity of Christ, no other religions); grace alone; faith alone; Scripture alone.

Yes God alone!
One God: (nature)
Trinity: (Three persons)

But the solas are false and opposed by the authority of Christ in His apostolic church!

If any man says you may be justified by “faith alone” let him be anathema!

Faith Alone:

Truth / doctrine Jn 14:6
Sacrifice / sacraments Jn 1:16-17 Jn 1:29
Christ is in His person is our salvation Lk 2:30

How can it be “faith alone” Christ is not only a doctrine or set of beliefs but He is our Passover sacrifice and He is our salvation, His person, Lk 2:30 I have seen my Salvation!
We must have union with Christ by faith and baptism.

“Faith alone” condemned by sacred scripture!

Deut 6:4 love of God
Matt 19:17 commandments
Matt 16:25 lose you’re life / rev 12:11
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Matt 24:13 endure
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

NOTHING!

“Faith alone” is a false gospel!

Thanks

 

[donadams]

Correct.

Is it possible for them to be saved while hating God?

 

[donadams]

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Lol you still have not read what I wrote, because if you did you would see that it's not our faith It's Christ's faith alone. So we know you don't read the post. But maybe I still have hope, but instead I will pray that God opens up your eyes.

Not sure why you are posting a whole bunch of scriptures and then making a statenent? Can you speak plainly.

Christ founded the church to teach and sanctify all unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19

How can you say it’s not required?

 

[donadams]

Faith alone is not condemn in this passage:

Mark 16:16 New International Version 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

1. Baptized is to be immersed or surrounded by
But we know Jesus does not Baptize with water

2. We also know baptism was done after one accepted a particular teaching. As those baptized into Moses under the cloud and in the red sea.

3. The Baptism of repentance was still being preached to some who never repented.

4. If I turn off the light before I go to sleep. LOGICALLY, one can say those who turn off the light and go to sleep will be refreshed, but those who do not go to sleep will not.
Why did I not add turn off the light? Because people can and do go to sleep with the light on, and at different times of the day.

And that is the logical aspect in Mark 16:16

As people get delivered from sins who have not been baptized in water. God can save people where there is No water for bathing. The key is believe

5. Mark 16:16 never says He who is not baptized with water will not be saved.

So now what, will you still parrot things not true because you have accepted your catholic doctrine for salvation?.Don't get me wrong their are many Catholics that don't believe as you. My spouse grew up Catholic, but read the Bible he came.out of that. And so again I say to you: come out of Babylon.

I’ve been studying scripture for thirty years never felt the need to reject Christ! Jn 6:68


Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

So don’t negate the word of God or the eternal words of Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Is it possible for them to be saved while hating God?

No.
It is written in Matt 6:24, that men can only serve one master, and that they will only love one but hate the other.
Servants of sin hate God.

 

[Corinth77777]

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you (apostles) into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The scripture is true, but to say you are led by truth would be something you must think about, because the truth would set you free. Free to grow in the Lord. Yet it seems to me by what you write that you are still in captivity.

"a well without spring" john 6 kjv
......

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Show us a sign all that comes to me the fatger draws

I’ve been studying scripture for thirty years never felt the need to reject Christ! Jn 6:68


Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

So don’t negate the word of God or the eternal words of Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.

You can't study scriptures through a formula that is incorrect and expect to come our with truth. I

 

[donadams]

No.
It is written in Matt 6:24, that men can only serve one master, and that they will only love one but hate the other.
Servants of sin hate God.

But some say only faith can is required?