How many YHWHs are there?

[jocor]

nevermind that in matthew 28 its says clearly to baptize men in the singular word Name of the father and the son and the Holy Ghost. if jesus has a different name then the father why is it written that way?

The Father's name is Yahweh. The Son's name is Yeshua and the Holy Spirit does not have a name.

 

[follower]

is Yahweh holy ?
is Yeshua holy ?
...

 

[Gregg]

Dear Brother, I’m not sure how to take what you've posted here, but just who do you think the Holy Spirit is? Is the God of Peace, the Holy Spirit a lesser deity than Jesus?

Eugene,

I am not sure how you ended up with this, but I in no way implied that 'the Holy Spirit is a lesser deity than Jesus.' I adhere to the Trinity of God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The Spirit of the Father is the Spirit of the Son.

 

[Eugene]

As a child, Yeshua “waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of Yahweh was upon him” (Luke 2:40). Even at that time Yeshua knew who he was, knew who his Father was (Luke 2:49), and knew what he had to do. By the time of his baptism he was so filled with wisdom, knowledge, Spirit, and power that Paul says he was “in the form (or likeness) of Elohim.” It does not say he “was Elohim.” Yet, Yeshua did not allow that power and wisdom to corrupt him. Nor did he, for one moment, consider himself Yahweh’s equal. He knew his Father was greater than himself (John 10:29; 13:16; 14:28). The RSV and many other versions correctly translate Philippians 2:6 as follows; “Who, though he was in the form of [Elohim], did not count equality with [Yahweh] a thing to be grasped.”

From your approach to Jesus' deity, do you think He was created somewhat in the form of a caste lower to my Father in the manner of JW's or Mormon religious systems? I'm not sorry to say that I don't believe, or entertain that in any manner.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[JLB]

The Father's name is Yahweh. The Son's name is Yeshua and the Holy Spirit does not have a name.

Please share with us what you believe Jesus is:

A.) God

B.) a god

C.) Angel

D.) prophet


JLB

 

[Eugene]

Eugene,

I am not sure how you ended up with this, but I in no way implied that 'the Holy Spirit is a lesser deity than Jesus.' I adhere to the Trinity of God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The Spirit of the Father is the Spirit of the Son.

I apologize if I misunderstood what you meant by stating that "There is only one YHWH - the Father and the Son." To me the word YHWH is the official name of God, and the Holy Spirit is God thus making Him YHWH also. Is that what you are saying? Thanks.

 

[Gregg]

I apologize if I misunderstood what you meant by stating that "There is only one YHWH - the Father and the Son." To me the word YHWH is the official name of God, and the Holy Spirit is God thus making Him YHWH also. Is that what you are saying? Thanks.

Yes, the Holy Spirit is God. He is the Spirit of YHWH the Father and the Spirit of YHWH the Son.

 

[Gregg]

Any takers? Please fill in either "Father" or "Son" in the brackets:

"For so says Jehovah [ ___ ] of hosts:
He [ ___ ] has sent Me [ ___ ] after glory,
to the nations who plundered you;
for he who touches you touches the pupil of His [ ___ ] eye.
For, behold, I [ ___ ] will shake My [ ___ ] hand over them,
and they shall be a prize for their servants.
And you shall know that Jehovah [ ___ ] has sent Me [ ___ ].
Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion.
For, lo, I [ ___ ] come; and I [ ___ ] will dwell among you, says Jehovah [ ___ ].
And many nations shall be joined to Jehovah [ ___ ] in that day,
and they shall be My [ ___ ] people.
And I [ ___ ] will dwell among you;
and you shall know that Jehovah [ ___ ] of hosts has sent Me [ ___ ] to you." (Zec 2:8-11)

 

[Eugene]

Yes, the Holy Spirit is God. He is the Spirit of YHWH the Father and the Spirit of YHWH the Son.

I've never heard that; can you expound that doctrine with scripture? Right off hand things don't ring right as I think of Jesus having to go before the Holy Spirit came; could not He and His spirit dwell together? Three men came to Abraham in the tent and He addressed them as Lord. The Holy Spirit is the God of peace and the One who sanctifies us wholly, and if I'm repeating anything I've lost track what I've said to who. Thanks.

 

[jocor]

is Yahweh holy ?
is Yeshua holy ?
...

I'm not sure if your post was meant for me, but yes, they are both holy as are all believers.

 

[jocor]

From your approach to Jesus' deity, do you think He was created somewhat in the form of a caste lower to my Father in the manner of JW's or Mormon religious systems? I'm not sorry to say that I don't believe, or entertain that in any manner.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

I don't study JW or Mormon doctrine. My beliefs come from Scripture. Yes, I believe the Son was created as a living being by Yahweh. That is why we are told he is the Son of YHWH and that YHWH is his Father. Yahweh is not trying to deceive us with such language. Each of those words implies one brought the other into existence. If Yeshua always existed, he cannot be Yahweh's Son.

I explained John 17:5 in a previous post.

 

[jocor]

Please share with us what you believe Jesus is:

A.) God

B.) a god

C.) Angel

D.) prophet


JLB

D - He was definitely a propet as we would all agree.

B - He was not "a god" in the sense that YHWH is God, thereby making two gods. He was "an elohim" in the sense that the mighty men of Israel were "elohim" (Psalm 82:1 & 6)

 

[Eugene]

D - He was definitely a propet as we would all agree.

B - He was not "a god" in the sense that YHWH is God, thereby making two gods. He was "an elohim" in the sense that the mighty men of Israel were "elohim" (Psalm 82:1 & 6)

Muslim? They too believe Jesus was a prophet.

 

[Gregg]

I've never heard that; can you expound that doctrine with scripture? Right off hand things don't ring right as I think of Jesus having to go before the Holy Spirit came; could not He and His spirit dwell together?

Yes, Jesus had to Ascend before He sent the Spirit of God at Pentecost to give birth to and indwell believers. That Spirit is the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity.

Who sent the Holy Spirit?

The Father sent the Spirit (Jn 14:26), and the Son sent the Spirit (Jn 15:26, Jn 16:7), the One and same Holy Spirit of God. God did not send two spirits, but One.

Three men came to Abraham in the tent and He addressed them as Lord. The Holy Spirit is the God of peace and the One who sanctifies us wholly, and if I'm repeating anything I've lost track what I've said to who. Thanks.

He did dot call "them" LORD, but Abraham addressed One as 'Adoni' (Gen 18:3), and bowed to Him. Elsewhere Abraham refers to Adoni as Yahweh (Gen 15:2, Gen 15:8).

 

[Eugene]

Yes, Jesus had to Ascend before He sent the Spirit of God at Pentecost to give birth to and indwell believers. That Spirit is the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity.

Who sent the Holy Spirit?

The Father sent the Spirit (Jn 14:26), and the Son sent the Spirit (Jn 15:26, Jn 16:7), the One and same Holy Spirit of God. God did not send two spirits, but One.



He did dot call "them" LORD, but Abraham addressed One as 'Adoni' (Gen 18:3), and bowed to Him. Elsewhere Abraham refers to Adoni as Yahweh (Gen 15:2, Gen 15:8).

So do you think Abraham was addressing the one only as Adonay or Adoni, and do you think it was the common respect to a man instead of deity? If he was addressing one as God, would he have been traveling with common men?

If in fact Abraham only addressed one, wouldn't that have been rude? Next in my thoughts comes the fact Abraham is inviting all three to rest under the tree.
Gen 18:4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

 

[Gregg]

So do you think Abraham was addressing the one only as Adonay or Adoni, and do you think it was the common respect to a man instead of deity? If he was addressing one as God, would he have been traveling with common men?

If in fact Abraham only addressed one, wouldn't that have been rude? Next in my thoughts comes the fact Abraham is inviting all three to rest under the tree.
Gen 18:4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

Scripture says the other two were angels (Gen 19:1). The One we need to focus on is the One that Abraham addressed as Adoni and LORD.

The LORD is accompanied by two others several times, whether they are angels or common men: to Abraham, with two men at the Transfiguration, with two men upon the cross.

- - -

Back to this thread, the Father and the Son have the Name YHWH. Their Spirit is the Spirit of the LORD, the Spirit of YHWH.

 

[JLB]

Scripture says the other two were angels (Gen 19:1). The One we need to focus on is the One that Abraham addressed as Adoni and LORD.

The LORD is accompanied by two others several times, whether they are angels or common men: to Abraham, with two men at the Transfiguration, with two men upon the cross.

- - -

Back to this thread, the Father and the Son have the Name YHWH. Their Spirit is the Spirit of the LORD, the Spirit of YHWH.

Good word Brother.

No man has seen God [The father]... John 1:18


They all were seeing God the Son, or YHWH.

God who became flesh.

God was manifested in the flesh... 1 Timothy 3:16


JLB

 

[Gregg]

. . .

Would you consider replying to post #108?

This is a thread in Apologetics and Theology. I am surprised no one has replied.

 

[Gregg]

The Father and the Son have the same Holy Spirit.

 

[Eugene]

Would you consider replying to post #108?

This is a thread in Apologetics and Theology. I am surprised no one has replied.

I looked at it, attempted to find the scripture you were I believe to have been quoted and couldn't find it on a few. Is there a certain bible you're using? I even copied a few words and pasted them in the search of different bibles producing no results and gave up. Thanks.