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lol isa 43:10, oh the irony. that is the chapter and verse where the Jehovah's witness get their names.
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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KJV - Though I'm familiar with arguments using Jehovah, there is also reluctance of using YHWH and even Adonai. I attempt to not get into any of the reasoning, but I know Who is being referenced when LORD is used. I added my suggestion of what it is saying and that is Jehovah is Jehovah.
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Yep. One God, one spirit.
Ephesians 4:4-6
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all./(KJV)
This can be a little confusing to those young in the Lord. One, yet three. I kind of sort of liken it to a family, they're separate personages, but they are one. All for one, one for all, lol. Though I do believe that there is literally one spirit, and that it is no metaphor involved in the text describing them. A subtle truth which we can not possibly grasp at this (flesh-bound) time, but after our translation we will get it. A 'spiritual realm' reality which we needs learning of!
And we get the adopted into/additional upgrade/gift/completeness of this same spirit when we are born again! We will see the completeness of this within ourselves upon our translation and change (in the twinkling of an eye!) when Yeshua comes back! Man oh man oh man oh man, what a wonderful day that will be brother! What a magnificent and glorious giving God that we have!!
Spiritual beings we will be in completeness. No, we will not get the entirety of God and His powers and wisdom (we will not be God), but what an upgrade this will be! We will have our identities back in totality!!
I (conjecture) that as spiritual beings, we wont think the same, but will have Gods Spirit, and will hear/have a (spiritual) "knowing" that is immediate, which will allow us to make our decisions in our day to day/moment to moment incidentals of life. We are on a need to know basis, and God will 'release' the information (His will) to our spirit (personage) as we need it.
It blows my mind to think that Lucifer had this and turned rogue against God. How stupid can one be?! The Angels all have it. Who could turn that down? He/they had to know how (merciful) wise and loving that YHWH is, so to turn against that seems utterly...idiotic.
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Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9
How can the Spirit of Christ, dwell in every believer if He is not God.
How can the Spirit of Christ, dwell in every believer if He is not God.
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ok, I posted the ylt. it uses Jehovah. I don't,but if one was a Christian and read in the bible out loud , the pronunciation of the tetragrammation would interesting. that or that you would simply say the vowels.
Brother, however we pronounce God's Holy name LORD, we know that Jesus is saying He is LORD also.
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while adonai does have that meaning , its not really his name.in Hebrew thought the NAME of G-D is associated with the attributes of these. mercy and grace.thus if that aint jesus then whom is?Brother, however we pronounce God's Holy name LORD, we know that Jesus is saying He is LORD also.
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FIRST COMMANDMENT: Exodus 20: 1 Then God said all these words: "I am
YHWH your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the
abode of slavery.
WHO brought the Israelites out of Egypt and out of the slavery to
foreign/pagan gods? No one but YHWH! It is imperative to understand that
Moshe was not the first one to receive the Name of YHWH (as presented in
Exodus 3:13-15), but that Avram (Abram) in Genesis 13:4 "called on the
name of YHWH!"
It is interesting to note that Y'shua (other transliterations of the
Hebrew include Yeshua, YaHaShua, Yehoshuah, etc) is the ONLY "divine
entity" whose name contains the Name of YHWH within his own name. Unlike
the angels whose names contain only YHWH's title of "ELOHIM" (MichaEL,
UriEL, GabriEL), Y'shua has His Father's Name within his own Name.
YHWH your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the
abode of slavery.
WHO brought the Israelites out of Egypt and out of the slavery to
foreign/pagan gods? No one but YHWH! It is imperative to understand that
Moshe was not the first one to receive the Name of YHWH (as presented in
Exodus 3:13-15), but that Avram (Abram) in Genesis 13:4 "called on the
name of YHWH!"
It is interesting to note that Y'shua (other transliterations of the
Hebrew include Yeshua, YaHaShua, Yehoshuah, etc) is the ONLY "divine
entity" whose name contains the Name of YHWH within his own name. Unlike
the angels whose names contain only YHWH's title of "ELOHIM" (MichaEL,
UriEL, GabriEL), Y'shua has His Father's Name within his own Name.
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Of all the N.T. verses that quote Isaiah, Luke 3:4-6 aids our understanding because it includes Isaiah 40:4 & 5. It says, "As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of Yahweh, make his paths straight. Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth; And all flesh shall see the salvation of Yahweh." "Prepare ye the way of Yahweh" does not mean, "Move out of the way because Yahweh is coming." And so when Yeshua comes they believe he is Yahweh.
How was "the way" to be prepared? By filling valleys, leveling mountains, straightening paths, etc. This work is not to be understood literally, but spiritually through the humbling of those in exalted positions and the restoration of truth. Who was to do that work? John 4:34 says, "Yeshua saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of Him that sent me, and to finish his work." Almighty Yahweh appointed His Son Yeshua to finish His work. Yeshua was Yahweh's instrument in the accomplishment of His great plan. Yeshua is the "Messenger of the Covenant," "the servant of Yahweh," and "the salvation of Yahweh." John 14:6 calls Yeshua "the way." He is "the way of Yahweh;" the means through which Yahweh will finish His work.
[QUOTE}Jesus says of Himself in Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (Jehovah), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.[/QUOTE]
This is YHWH the Father speaking to Israel. You are reading Yeshua into the text. In verse 6, YHWH calls Israel "my sons". Yeshua cannot be the Father of Israel and also be Israel's seed and a brother of all the children of Israel.
As for Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 19:20b reads, "for they shall cry unto Yahweh because of the oppressors, and He shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them." It was prophesied that Yahweh would send someone other than Himself to be a savior. Yahweh is the one true Savior who works through Yeshua the Messiah, His appointed Savior. Consider, also, the following two verses which show there are other saviours besides Yeshua.
Neh 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies. (referring to Othniel, Ehud, Barak, Gideon, etc.)
Oba 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be YHWH's.
Oba 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be YHWH's.
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His Father.
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Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Messiah, he is none of his.
In other words, "the Spirit of Messiah" refers to the Spirit that is in Messiah which is the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Yeshua from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Messiah from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwells in you.
Messiah has the same Spirit dwelling in him as we have. That is the Holy Spirit. Hopefully, it can truly be said that "the Spirit of JLB" or "the Spirit of jocor" is the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Messiah" is the Holy Spirit.
Dear Brother, I’m not sure how to take what you've posted here, but just who do you think the Holy Spirit is? Is the God of Peace, the Holy Spirit a lesser deity than Jesus?
Rom 16:20 And the God of peace (The Holy Ghost) shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
1 Th 5:23 And the very God of peace (The Holy Ghost) sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who’s doing the work of Sanctification in us? God the Holy Ghost.
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace (The Holy Ghost), that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
We also have the story of Ananias and Sapphira that lied about the price of a possession they sold. Ananias was told that he had not lied unto men, but unto God. Who did he lie to? Acts 5:3 he lied to the Holy Ghost.
Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him (Abraham) in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3 And said (addressing the three), My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Thanks.
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I have my own spirit that was formed by God. I also have the Holy Spirit in me.
And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, "Father, 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.' " Having said this, He breathed His last. Luke 23:46
19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. John 2:19-21
The Spirit of Jesus Christ dwells in believers as He dwelt in the prophets.
searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:11
23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. John 14:23
Again, the Spirit of Christ dwells in His people, if not they are not His.
His Spirit.
He is Omnipresent.
JLB
All you have said seems to put a real hitch in the get-a-long of Jesus' sacrifice.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation . .
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As a child, Yeshua “waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of Yahweh was upon him” (Luke 2:40). Even at that time Yeshua knew who he was, knew who his Father was (Luke 2:49), and knew what he had to do. By the time of his baptism he was so filled with wisdom, knowledge, Spirit, and power that Paul says he was “in the form (or likeness) of Elohim.” It does not say he “was Elohim.” Yet, Yeshua did not allow that power and wisdom to corrupt him. Nor did he, for one moment, consider himself Yahweh’s equal. He knew his Father was greater than himself (John 10:29; 13:16; 14:28). The RSV and many other versions correctly translate Philippians 2:6 as follows; “Who, though he was in the form of [Elohim], did not count equality with [Yahweh] a thing to be grasped.”