How strong is your belief in God?

[JoJo]

How is this for logic? It is impossible to have a love relationship with someone you are not 100% certain exists. If you are a true believing Christian, you will have a love relationship with Christ. If you are missing that love relationship, perhaps it is time to examine your belief and your relationship with Christ.

To be a "true believing Christian," it is necessary to have a loving relationship with Christ. To have a loving relationship with Christ, it is necessary to know He exists with 100% certainty. Minnesota lacks 100% certainty in Christ's existence. Therefore, Minnesota is not able to have a loving relationship with Christ. And so, Minnesota is not a "true believing Christian."

The logical consequence of your perspective is that I am "false believing Christian."

Do you have a love relationship with Christ?

 

[Guest]

Do you have a love relationship with Christ?

I have already answered the question.

I believe in Christ, and I have doubts.

Your perspective of how belief and doubt work cannot account for me. Therefore, you are forced to reject my belief or my doubt. You are more inclined to reject the latter because of your beliefs about it not being your place to judge another's faith.

I understand what you are going through. I have been there. Albeit working through different issues, but I have been there.

 

[JoJo]

Do you have a love relationship with Christ?

I have already answered the question.

I believe in Christ, and I have doubts.

Your perspective of how belief and doubt work cannot account for me. Therefore, you are forced to reject my belief or my doubt. You are more inclined to reject the latter because of your beliefs about it not being your place to judge another's faith.

I understand what you are going through. I have been there. Albeit working through different issues, but I have been there.

"Therefore, Minnesota is not able to have a loving relationship with Christ."

Is that the answer that you are referring to? It's a very simple YES or NO question.

 

[follower of Christ]

Exactly. You are not allowed to place yourself in the shoes of others. I am glad we agree on something.

Ridiculous.
I suppose I ought to put myself in the shoes of Adolf Hitler then, right

 

[follower of Christ]

While I DONT trust the mechanical workings of my car, nor do I trust the idiot drivers out there, I DO trust God and that HE is watching over me 100%.

Well, it's clear someone doesn't understand the purpose of the analogy.

What I do understand is that it doesnt take trusting mankind for me to not be afraid to leave my house every day. I could be shot down anytime, any day, and use that as an excuse to never leave my home. But I KNOW God exists and I TRUST HIM with my life, so I dont have to fear for my life or fear driving in a car I dont trust with drivers I dont trust either...
GOD is whom is trustworthy.

 

[Guest]

To be a "true believing Christian," it is necessary to have a loving relationship with Christ. To have a loving relationship with Christ, it is necessary to know He exists with 100% certainty. Minnesota lacks 100% certainty in Christ's existence. Therefore, Minnesota is not able to have a loving relationship with Christ. And so, Minnesota is not a "true believing Christian."

This is the logical consequence of your perspective.

I believe in Christ, and I have doubts.

This is my previously supplied answer to your question.

Within my perspective, the answer is unequivocally yes. Within your perspective, the answer is either yes and you reject my doubts, or no and you reject my belief. Either way, you have to make the decision from your perspective. Though, I suspect you will say yes. There are others here who will say no.

"Whatever" is my response in the end. My faith is not contingent upon what others here think about my faith.

 

[follower of Christ]

Why did Jesus die for crimes He did not commit?

Not really relevant to the point I made, now is it ;)
The fact is that He DID...and so mans idea of "logic" doesnt rule everything, nor is it required to.

 

[follower of Christ]

We trust Him. There is no reason to fear anything that can happen to these bodies.

Excuse me for a second...

[quote="follower of Christ":1rgha1a5]This is why I am so paranoid when driving.

...while I call the inconsistency.[/quote:1rgha1a5]
Hardly.
I keep my eyes on EVERYONE else drving and I am listening constantly for mechanical problems in my vehicle. That is hardly being afraid.
Learn to understand what someone is actually saying.

 

[Guest]

I suppose I ought to put myself in the shoes of Adolf Hitler then

If you desire to understand Hitler, then yes. It seems you are confusing understanding with agreement, though.

 

[follower of Christ]

Your perspective of how belief and doubt work cannot account for me. Therefore, you are forced to reject my belief or my doubt. You are more inclined to reject the latter because of your beliefs about it not being your place to judge another's faith.

NO one has to 'judge' you, friend, to see if you are talking about BIBLICAL faith/belief or not.
We cannot judge you in this particular area. We CAN, however, discern if your statements are in agreement with GODS word or not.

 

[follower of Christ]

I suppose I ought to put myself in the shoes of Adolf Hitler then

If you desire to understand Hitler, then yes. It seems you are confusing understanding with agreement, though.

And do you think that a sane person can actually stand inside the mind of a genocidal lunatic ?
I would have very serious concerns for the person who could.

 

[Guest]

Why did Jesus die for crimes He did not commit?

Not really relevant to the point I made, now is it ;)
The fact is that He DID...and so mans idea of "logic" doesnt rule everything, nor is it required to.

Actually, His purposes and values establish the premises necessary to make it logical. However, this requires seeing things from the perspective of Jesus.

 

[Guest]

Learn to understand what someone is actually saying.

You said paranoid. I guess paranoid doesn't mean paranoid, eh?

 

[follower of Christ]

Actually, His purposes and values establish the premises necessary to make it logical. However, this requires seeing things from the perspective of Jesus.

Thats a pretty good way out of the real problem ;)
The fact is that ONE man paid the price for the sins of billions. Your definition of logic doesnt seem to be very consistent.

 

[follower of Christ]

Learn to understand what someone is actually saying.

You said paranoid. I guess paranoid doesn't mean paranoid, eh?

Not in the way you took it, obviously.
But its the same with 'faith'. You believe what you want to about the word regardless, it seems, of what scripture shows.
Ive presented clear scriptures that agree with the whole that we MUST BELIEVE that He is....there is no 'maybe He does' in that statement.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6)

 

[Guest]

Your perspective of how belief and doubt work cannot account for me. Therefore, you are forced to reject my belief or my doubt. You are more inclined to reject the latter because of your beliefs about it not being your place to judge another's faith.

NO one has to 'judge' you, friend, to see if you are talking about BIBLICAL faith/belief or not.
We cannot judge you in this particular area. We CAN, however, discern if your statements are in agreement with GODS word or not.

[yawn]Ah yes, the old "the Bible is judging you, not me" canard.[/yawn]

 

[Guest]

And do you think that a sane person can actually stand inside the mind of a genocidal lunatic ?
I would have very serious concerns for the person who could.

I do not believe one can fully understand, but it is possible to better understand.

 

[follower of Christ]

[yawn]Ah yes, the old "the Bible is judging you, not me" canard.[/yawn]

You can give that a rest, poster. I know full well WHEN I am permitted to judge as is CLEARLY laid out in 1 Corinthian chapter 5.
This is not one of those cases.

 

[follower of Christ]

And do you think that a sane person can actually stand inside the mind of a genocidal lunatic ?
I would have very serious concerns for the person who could.

I do not believe one can fully understand, but it is possible to better understand.

I seriously doubt that a stable, sane person could 'understand' the reasonings of a madman like Hitler.
Observing what he did and what he said and wrote isnt the same as climbing in his head and seeing from his perspective.

 

[follower of Christ]

Im still looking for an actual response to these...

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6)

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it shall be given to him. But let him ask in faith, doubting nothing, for he that doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he shall receive anything from the Lord;
(Jas 1:5-7)

Oddly enough scripture DEMANDS something that some here say isnt possible...