I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it'

[Classik]

A sinner once discovered and accepted Christ. He decided to live a holy life. He used to drink and smoke and take a lot of strong drugs etc.
He made God a promise and said: 'I won't go back to them.'
This man was a seller. He sold things like, alcohol, drugs etc, and did other sinful things.
But he was selling all these to other people (even after he came to know Christ) but was never taking them. He used to say: 'It 's okay, I don't take such sinful things - but I can sell to others.'
A day came when the Holy Spirit led him to a verse that says (I don't rmember what verse that was): DO NOT GIVE TO OTHERS THAT WHICH YOU CONSIDER SINFUL AND BAD.

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I believe sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it'
If the Spirit of God warns Mr. A that it is a sin, then it is a sin if Mr. B does it.

Exapmples:
*The Spirit of God ministered to my spirit (one could say) that I should not take alcohol ( and some churches accept it, others consider it a big sin)
*The spirit of God instructs ,me never to wear short skirts
*God says we should not do this...
*I don't do it but others can

 

[Classik]

Re: I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it

I know some churches have their ways of doing things, some have their doctrines and traditions. From different angles we are still saying the same thing. This is quite different.
A could say, this is how we do our communion service. B could have a different approach. This comes before this.
This is not what am talking about.

I'm talking about that which God or His Spirit condemns in the life of A...is condemned also in the life of B. No such thing as 'my spirit is okay with it'.

 

[Bonairos]

Re: I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it

No such thing as 'my spirit is okay with it'.

Perhaps. Yet every such thing as, "I had a personal revelation; It was made real to me, in a way that I now get it!"



Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[Hitch]

Re: I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it

The Law allowed a man to sell diseased meat ,it did not allow an Isrealite to buy it.

 

[Mike]

Re: I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it

Romans 14
"<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28279">13</sup> Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28280">14</sup> As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28281">15</sup> If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28282">16</sup> Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28283">17</sup> For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28284">18</sup> because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28285">19</sup> Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28286">20</sup> Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28287">21</sup> It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28288">22</sup> So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28289">23</sup> But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."
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I just don't know how you can read these words written by Paul and not conclude that there are some exceptions to your statement. Obviously, there is clear-cut sin that is always sin, but it seems to me that the Holy Spirit is clearly telling us here that certain things can be a sin for one person and not for another. If someone is convicted to abstain from a certain kind of food, yet he disregards this conviction, he would be putting it above the Lord, and it would be sin to him. However, if another person has a free conscience about this same food, are we to say he's sinning.

I believe this is a slippery slope into pharisee-type legalism. How are Paul's words consistent with:

If the Spirit of God warns Mr. A that it is a sin, then it is a sin if Mr. B does it.

You seem to be making a blanket statement here, and I'd like to know how you square this with Romans 14. Again, let's separate things that are clearly sin: adultery, fornication, idolatry. His Word gives us no exception here.

 

[jasoncran]

Re: I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it

ok let me say this. what?

how? how can we says well i will work for a strip club and well i wont look while the others dance. and think that you are a child of god.

devil!

 

[Mike]

Re: I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it

ok let me say this. what?

how? how can we says well i will work for a strip club and well i wont look while the others dance. and think that you are a child of god.

devil!

Was this directed at me? If so, did you read ANYTHING I wrote?

 

[Classik]

Re: I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it

Romans 14
"<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28279">13</sup> Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother¡¯s way. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28280">14</sup> As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28281">15</sup> If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28282">16</sup> Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28283">17</sup> For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28284">18</sup> because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28285">19</sup> Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28286">20</sup> Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28287">21</sup> It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28288">22</sup> So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28289">23</sup> But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."
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I just don't know how you can read these words written by Paul and not conclude that there are some exceptions to your statement. Obviously, there is clear-cut sin that is always sin, but it seems to me that the Holy Spirit is clearly telling us here that certain things can be a sin for one person and not for another. If someone is convicted to abstain from a certain kind of food, yet he disregards this conviction, he would be putting it above the Lord, and it would be sin to him. However, if another person has a free conscience about this same food, are we to say he's sinning.

I believe this is a slippery slope into pharisee-type legalism. How are Paul's words consistent with:


You seem to be making a blanket statement here, and I'd like to know how you square this with Romans 14. Again, let's separate things that are clearly sin: adultery, fornication, idolatry. His Word gives us no exception here.

Exceptions? Exceptions! Mike
*Do not take fat, Mr. oldman, it is killing your body, for instance.
A kid can take fat

* My wife is strong and healthy, we have four kids, we look forward to another baby

My wife suffers pregnancy complications, she nearly died after her last pregnancy, the baby aborted...but we already have four kids. More kids (Suicidal)



There are exceptions, but not these kind of exceptions.

People could have clear consience over a particular issue, we should know that some have dead consience. (I heard about a minister who was promoting sex. To the minister, the youth ought to have fun)

 

[jasoncran]

Re: I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it

Was this directed at me? If so, did you read ANYTHING I wrote?

nope.

 

[for_his_glory]

Re: I believe a sin generaly is a sin, no such thing as, 'My spirit is not against it

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Sin is not sin to an individual until they come into the knowledge of what they are doing is actual sin. There is no such thing as a big sin or a little sin or a white lie or a blatant lie as it is all the same in the eyes of God. Just because a person deems something a sin, may not be a sin in the eyes of God. If one feels conviction by the Holy Spirit then it is sin to them to participate in what they want to do.