I come quickly...said 2,000 years ago?

[Orion]

Embarrassed by my grammar there, . . . should have been "...Jesus was speaking with THEIR time frame in mind..."

 

[Relic]

Jed, . . . it is clear that Jesus was speaking in THEIR time frame in mind. They perceived it as meaning soon, within their lifetime. "A day is as one thousand" doesn't work here.

Jesus was speaking to a group of people that knew the old scriptures. They didn't mis-understand the Omniscience of God nor did they mis-understand the Omnipresence of God. And that doesn't exclude the fact that they didn't mis-understand the Omnipotence of God. They knew exactly what God's timing was and is all about. These were not un-educated people they were students and followers of our Christ, a people chosen to learn and hear the teachings of JESUS CHRIST. Jesus taught old scripture... doesn't mean he didn't teach them of the timing of God just because it doesn’t say he precisely did or didn't in the new testament scriptures that so many people only rely upon. I'm sure these people had in-depth studies of the old scriptures. After all that's what goes in with Rabbi's they teach scripture and make comments of logic according to the truth in them.

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[AAA]

Exactly, if 'I'm coming soon' doesn't mean what it means to the people Jesus said this to (or anybody who can understand speech), then it doesn't mean anything at all.

Agreed. I see no argument that engages this one here.

 

[Relic]

Exactly, if 'I'm coming soon' doesn't mean what it means to the people Jesus said this to (or anybody who can understand speech), then it doesn't mean anything at all.

Agreed. I see no argument that engages this one here.

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[Orion]

I don't know, Relic, . . . is seems as though they believed it WAS for their time frame, . . . besides, when someone says, "THIS generation will not pass away until ALL these things come to pass", that's pretty good evidence that "soon" meant what it was supposed to mean. I could post a link that talks about this, but it isn't a christian source and I'm sure it wouldn't be allowed.

 

[samuel]

"THIS generation will not pass away until ALL these things come to pass",

There is controversy, over what the Lord meant by this statement. If you have studied enough scripture it is pretty well revealed in the Old Testament (Psalms), what the lord meant by this, ?do you know?.

 

[researcher]

(Mat 1:1 KJVR) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

(Mat 3:7 KJVR) But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

(Mat 11:16 KJVR) But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,

(Mat 12:34 KJVR) O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

(Mat 12:39 KJVR) But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

(Mat 12:41 KJVR) The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

(Mat 12:42 KJVR) The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

(Mat 12:45 KJVR) Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

(Mat 16:4 KJVR) A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

(Mat 17:17 KJVR) Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

(Mat 23:33 KJVR) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

(Mat 23:36 KJVR) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

(Mat 24:34 KJVR) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

(Mar 8:12 KJVR) And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.

(Mar 8:38 KJVR) Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

(Mar 9:19 KJVR) He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.

(Mar 13:30 KJVR) Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

(Luk 1:50 KJVR) And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

(Luk 3:7 KJVR) Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

(Luk 7:31 KJVR) And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?

(Luk 9:41 KJVR) And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither.

(Luk 11:29 KJVR) And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

(Luk 11:30 KJVR) For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

(Luk 11:31 KJVR) The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

(Luk 11:32 KJVR) The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

(Luk 11:50 KJVR) That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

(Luk 11:51 KJVR) From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

(Luk 16:8 KJVR) And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

(Luk 17:25 KJVR) But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

(Luk 21:32 KJVR) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

(Act 2:40 KJVR) And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

(Act 8:33 KJVR) In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

(Act 13:36 KJVR) For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

(Heb 3:10 KJVR) Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

(1Pe 2:9 KJVR) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[NIGHTMARE]

I don't know, Relic, . . . is seems as though they believed it WAS for their time frame, . . . besides, when someone says, "THIS generation will not pass away until ALL these things come to pass", that's pretty good evidence that "soon" meant what it was supposed to mean. I could post a link that talks about this, but it isn't a christian source and I'm sure it wouldn't be allowed.

Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

The generation spoken about is the generation of the fig tree.......

What Christ is saying is the generation of the fig tree will not pass until all things be fulfilled,,,,the generation of the fig tree started in 1948........

 

[NIGHTMARE]

"THIS generation will not pass away until ALL these things come to pass",

There is controversy, over what the Lord meant by this statement. If you have studied enough scripture it is pretty well revealed in the Old Testament (Psalms), what the lord meant by this, ?do you know?.

One of the rather easier scriptures to interpret in my opinion..........

 

[wavy]

Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

The generation spoken about is the generation of the fig tree.......

What Christ is saying is the generation of the fig tree will not pass until all things be fulfilled,,,,the generation of the fig tree started in 1948........

Curious...the temple was destroyed and Jerusalem was desolated in 70 AD...last I checked, it was 2009.


Finis,
Eric

 

[samuel]

Psalms:22:30: A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
Psalms:22:31: They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this. :yes

Matthew 24; refers to much more than just the destruction of the Temple that was immanent, and occurred in AD. 70. But goes on to speak of the Millennium, and the Kingdom of Heaven. Far beyond the next 35 or so years future.

 

[researcher]

Matthew 24; refers to much more than just the destruction of the Temple that was immanent, and occurred in AD. 70. But goes on to speak of the Millennium, and the Kingdom of Heaven. Far beyond the next 35 or so years future.

Says who?

 

[samuel]

Well you do have to read on to C. 25 to get that far. But it all comes into view with Matthew 24. Says the KJV.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

The generation spoken about is the generation of the fig tree.......

What Christ is saying is the generation of the fig tree will not pass until all things be fulfilled,,,,the generation of the fig tree started in 1948........

Curious...the temple was destroyed and Jerusalem was desolated in 70 AD...last I checked, it was 2009.


Finis,
Eric

ummmmmmmm

Dont you know that one of the main reasons people go to Jerusalem is to see the wailing wall......If you do a little research you will see these stones were huge 30-40 feet easy...(in our measurments)

The Roman General Titus did come up against Jerusalem in 70 A.D.,,,,,,, and destroyed the city......
But if you think that this destruction is the destruction Christ is speaking of you are sadly mistaken friend....

Matthew 24:2 "And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

Mark 13:2 "And Jesus answering said unto him, "Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

This is refering to total and ultimate destructing caused by the return of Christ,,,,not some pety human.....

Zechariah 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

I would suggest reading Zecheriah 14......

Curious...the temple was destroyed and Jerusalem was desolated in 70 AD...last I checked, it was 2009

yup and Christ aint returned yet,,,what does that tell you about 70 ad??????????

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Psalms:22:30: A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
Psalms:22:31: They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this. :yes

Matthew 24; refers to much more than just the destruction of the Temple that was immanent, and occurred in AD. 70. But goes on to speak of the Millennium, and the Kingdom of Heaven. Far beyond the next 35 or so years future.

If it was refering to 70 ad that means the prophecys given would have occured in 70 ad.....

Matthew 24:7 "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilence, and earthquakes, in divers places."

You think this is refering to 70 ad,,,I think its refering to now.....How about ???

Mark 13:9 "But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake,, for a testimony against them."

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

This is yet to happen????????

Mark 13:14 "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it [he, who is Satan] ought not, (let Him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"

Seen satan standing in Jerusalem claiming to be Christ,,,awww me neither..........

 

[Bick]

There are some that question why it is written....

• Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
  
  Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

How could He say He was coming quickly, or the elect would bruise Satan shortly when that was two thousand years ago? Preterist believe this points to the second Advent of Christ happening long ago.

The word shortly or quickly can mean soon or....suddenly, with speed. To me, the Scripture means....I come to you suddenly. Or, in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye.

MY COMMENTS: I wondered about that some years ago, but with the help of my pastor teacher it became clear to me. The Greek word "tachu", or any of its derivatives, would mean "quickly" or "with speed" or "hastily".

So from the context, I understand the best rendering to be

"But the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet with speed." Rom.16:20, Rotherham NT.

When it happens, it will happen speedily.

And the verse in Rev. 22:12, and these others in Revelation, rendered "quickly" or "with speed", would mean "quickly" or "speedily" as to action, not as to meaning a short time:
See Rev. 1:1, 2:5, 2:16, 3:11, 11:14, 22:7, and 22:20.

Bick

 

[NIGHTMARE]

There are some that question why it is written....

• Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
  
  Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

How could He say He was coming quickly, or the elect would bruise Satan shortly when that was two thousand years ago? Preterist believe this points to the second Advent of Christ happening long ago.

The word shortly or quickly can mean soon or....suddenly, with speed. To me, the Scripture means....I come to you suddenly. Or, in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye.

MY COMMENTS: I wondered about that some years ago, but with the help of my pastor teacher it became clear to me. The Greek word "tachu", or any of its derivatives, would mean "quickly" or "with speed" or "hastily".

So from the context, I understand the best rendering to be

"But the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet with speed." Rom.16:20, Rotherham NT.

When it happens, it will happen speedily.

And the verse in Rev. 22:12, and these others in Revelation, rendered "quickly" or "with speed", would mean "quickly" or "speedily" as to action, not as to meaning a short time:
See Rev. 1:1, 2:5, 2:16, 3:11, 11:14, 22:7, and 22:20.

Bick

Never thought about it like that ,,,thats pretty intersting.....

 

[researcher]

Well you do have to read on to C. 25 to get that far. But it all comes into view with Matthew 24. Says the KJV.

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me,

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision

Jon 1:1 Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,

OK, I was thinking more along these lines.

With that, says man, or God?

 

[Nick]

The generation of the fig tree...wouuldn't that mean the siinful human race?


And what does the wailing wall have to do with this?

 

[samuel]

And what does the wailing wall have to do with this?

You got me.