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I dont know what you think but please be honest, say what you really believe!

I think have a gift that I was not even aware of until my 40's when working in a hospital. While doing an EKG, an elderly woman grabbed my hands and pulled them on her chest and told me I had healing hands. I blew this off, although I realized when she did this, my hands had the feeling of touching a plasma ball, that prickly sensation. A few weeks later, this happened again, and then again and again.

Maybe a year or so later, my now ex son-in-law was in an accident and had a 2% chance of surviving. He was in a coma and my daughter was devastated. I mentioned the "hand thing" to her. Now, I realize that I am doing nothing and if this has any validity whatsoever, it is our Lord who is using my hands. And, I question why He would use my hands, as He can do these things without them. Anyway, she said to give it a go, so I did. His eyes opened up and he was on the way to recovery and recovered 100%.

This has happened several times since and it makes me wonder. I do remember being in church one day and there was a girl that I did not know and the pastor asked those who wished to come and lay hands and pray for this girl who had a myriad of medical issues. I started to get up and felt the distinct feeling of someone telling me not to go there. I have never heard the audible voice of God, but this was such a strong feeling and I did not go. I never saw her again and have no idea what happened to her, but I knew somehow that it was not my place to go.

This also seems to work by remote control. A friend, who is in extremely poor health, was told that his sister was dying and was on life support and they were going to turn it off in 10 days. He told me that he was going to fly there on the 9th day as he did not have the strength to be there that long. That night, I was given the impression to call him and tell him that she was not going to make it 10 days and he needed to go in the morning. I called him in the morning and told him what had happened. I said that I would pray that my hands be on his hands and he booked a flight out. He did as I said and he said he felt the same prickly feeling. Her eyes opened and she began to slowly breathe on her own and need less help from the vent. She was taken off the vent that evening and was out of the hospital a few days later.

This is not something that happens on a regular basis, just once in awhile, but always at critical times. It is an odd feeling.

It is not the only odd thing about me. I seem to be able to talk to animals in the woods and they will come right up to me. Many people have been with me and have seen this and are always giving me "the Look". I was in the local thrift shop last week and it was near closing time and a bird had gotten in the store in the morning and they had spent the entire day trying to get it out. I told them to stop what they were doing and I would get it. They asked me just how I was going to do this and I said I would pick it up and got "the Look". The bird landed, I talked to it and it looked at me and came over to me and I picked it up. It did not struggle and just chirped. I petted it and showed it to the other people, then took it outside, where it flew away.

My life is just odd.
 
That is an awsome story.



Yeah there is something more to us than our physical. Just wish it was easy to understand. I sorta wish christianity could embrce it more and nurture it as though it was like our natural god given abilities like wisdom, leadership or teaching. Because is never understood it has hit and miss results. How can you use for gods glory effectiveley what you barely understand?
 
This makes me think there is another reality around us that's hard to explain but as real as our physical one.

Well sure there is!!! It's called the "Spiritual realm" where God exists. And it's our "Physical" realm that's the severely limited and inferior one. AND, of course the "Spiritual realm" is where we (who are in Christ) will spend eternity after our brief encounter with "physical life" is past. We're surrounded, and immersed in the "Spiritual realm", and contacted/influenced by it often.

I actually think some of these senses are not demonic but are no more than an extension of our natural ones.

Disagree - we HAVE NO "extensions" of our physical senses. There IS the indwelling Holy Spirit with HIS illumination/inspiration, and there are the Spiritual giftings - but these all flow in from "Outside" through the Holy Spirit.

The "Demonic" enjoys messing with us, of course, but there is no "Clairvoyance", and "Mediums" are satanic agents (unless you're fortunate, and they're just con artists).

Simple as that.
 
This makes me think there is another reality around us that's hard to explain but as real as our physical one.

Well sure there is!!! It's called the "Spiritual realm" where God exists. And it's our "Physical" realm that's the severely limited and inferior one. AND, of course the "Spiritual realm" is where we (who are in Christ) will spend eternity after our brief encounter with "physical life" is past. We're surrounded, and immersed in the "Spiritual realm", and contacted/influenced by it often.

I actually think some of these senses are not demonic but are no more than an extension of our natural ones.

Disagree - we HAVE NO "extensions" of our physical senses. There IS the indwelling Holy Spirit with HIS illumination/inspiration, and there are the Spiritual gifting - but these all flow in from "Outside" through the Holy Spirit.

The "Demonic" enjoys messing with us, of course, but there is no "Clairvoyance", and "Mediums" are satanic agents (unless you're fortunate, and they're just con artists).

Simple as that.
I know as Christians bob it sits well with us if it is cut and dry black and white. I agree with you about the spiritual realms they are there for sure. maybe we half live in them as well as the physical.

The problem is we are all guessing.


normal people who are not Christians get intuitive things that are spiritual or other senses.

God has 2/3rds of the angels and is omnipresent. The devil is not omnipresent and has 1/3 of the angels.

I cant imagine everything that happens is the devils doing. I personally feel they are intuitive senses. More acute in some people and hidden in others.

Now as for god vs demonic... it is the the outcome of things that shows who has been involved. I'll show you what I mean

lamentations 3
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-20393">38</sup> Is it not from the mouth of the Most High
that both calamities and good things come?
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-20394">39</sup> Why should the living complain
when punished for their sins?

James 4
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30345">7</sup> Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

It cant always be demons.... I think that's a fallacy


waits to get shot down for that post lol. But its what I really think.
 
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is this that psychic stuff again? chris have you ever dabbled in the occult.?

you do realise that it doesnt go away. i know a pastor who did alot more then me and still is senstive and ignores it.

i have to do this myself
 
is this that psychic stuff again? chris have you ever dabbled in the occult.?

you do realise that it doesnt go away. i know a pastor who did alot more then me and still is senstive and ignores it.

i have to do this myself
i was exploring the idea what you are calling psychic, intuition, hunches and some feelings might actually be hidden senses we have. I really dont like that word psychic it reminds me of creepy people.

someone did something to me a few weeks ago (its not going in here..)that made me consider what is it that interconnects people that gives those messages or feelings.

Occults and demons no not me! No never, I have probably said that to people heaps of times.

I am exploring the idea that say between you and your wife you might have really uncanny coincidences. Even though you are a city apart somehow there is a connection. You will both pick the phone up at exactly the same time to call about something just in time. That's what I am discussing. Its got nothing to do with demons at all.

if its not demons and its just senses why have demon casting out rituals? Why tie yourself up in guilt or superstition at what may not be demonic after all? For some people it might be like smelling a rose. Its just an idea. I thought I would run it by my brothers and sisters to see if anyone else had thought of it too.
 
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It cant always be demons.... I think that's a fallacy


waits to get shot down for that post lol. But its what I really think.

"It cant always be demons"

I'm going to throw in with that assessment.
We, man in general, aren't exactly what I'd call innocent.

That being said:

I've known people that dismiss God as myth, that think of Christians as weak-minded so and so's and believe once you're dead that's it. Case closed, game over, zip up your fly.
Yet, the boob tube is full of physic programs about hauntings, detective works of amazing insight, ESP, forecasts of future events, unexplainable ties between twins, spouses and any number of superhuman perceptions one cares to entertain.
How can one believe horoscopes or witchcraft without believing the stars were intelligently placed to begin with that we actually believe we may decode their secrets or that man can indeed have some supernatural powers over another without believing there is indeed a spiritual realm in the first place?
Possibly that the spiritual realm does not include God? That the spiritual realm is man's domain only?
Pride.

No, it's no always demons. We do indeed have the right to lay claim of possessing another side of ourselves undetected through our five senses. There is another portion of us that can't believe that all we see is all there is. Therefore the love affair with the things we don't see with the physical senses we are so endowed. And oftentimes that without God.
Pride.

It's our choice concerning matters of the undetectable through the earthly senses that distinguishes our allegiance between God or ourselves. Pride is in Satan and pride is also within us all. Rebelling against God is nothing new. And never will be.
 
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"It cant always be demons"

I'm going to throw in with that assessment.
We, man in general, aren't exactly what I'd call innocent.

That being said:

I've known people that dismiss God as myth, that think of Christians as weak-minded so and so's and believe once you're dead that's it. Case closed, game over, zip up your fly.
Yet, the boob tube is full of physic programs about hauntings, detective works of amazing insight, ESP, forecasts of future events, unexplainable ties between twins, spouses and any number of superhuman perceptions one cares to entertain.
How can one believe horoscopes or witchcraft without believing the stars were intelligently placed to begin with that we actually believe we may decode their secrets or that man can indeed have some supernatural powers over another without believing there is indeed a spiritual realm in the first place?
Possibly that the spiritual realm does not include God? That the spiritual realm is man's domain only?
Pride.

No, it's no always demons. We do indeed have the right to lay claim of possessing another side of ourselves undetected through our five senses. There is another portion of us that can't believe that all we see is all there is. Therefore the love affair with the things we don't see with the physical senses we are so endowed. And oftentimes that without God.
Pride.

It's our choice concerning matters of the undetectable through the earthly senses that distinguishes our allegiance between God or ourselves. Pride is in Satan and pride is also within us all. Rebelling against God is nothing new. And never will be.
Thanks you understand what I mean a bit about the senses.:)

From the very start of this thread i was never referring to anything evil or to do with the occult. I dont know why but it seems people go there fast in discussion. I avoid it if I can.
 
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i was exploring the idea what you are calling psychic, intuition, hunches and some feelings might actually be hidden senses we have. I really dont like that word psychic it reminds me of creepy people.

someone did something to me a few weeks ago (its not going in here..)that made me consider what is it that interconnects people that gives those messages or feelings.

Occults and demons no not me! No never, I have probably said that to people heaps of times.

I am exploring the idea that say between you and your wife you might have really uncanny coincidences. Even though you are a city apart somehow there is a connection. You will both pick the phone up at exactly the same time to call about something just in time. That's what I am discussing. Its got nothing to do with demons at all.

if its not demons and its just senses why have demon casting out rituals? Why tie yourself up in guilt or superstition at what may not be demonic after all? For some people it might be like smelling a rose. Its just an idea. I thought I would run it by my brothers and sisters to see if anyone else had thought of it too.


btw my forage into the occult started with that very thought.

i wasnt born with the abilities to see auras. i devoloped that. i have had telepathic communications(if one wants to believe this as well i have doubts on that.,not to say that all the time i was wrong ) with my girlfriends and also other gifted person.

done a wierd form of astral projection. its funny i never went to any medium/read any books on this stuff or any new age junk or also astrology and or ouija and yet what they all do i was doing and finding and coming with the same ideas.in general i didnt like psychics and so forth so i never would share my thoughts or abilities with them.

in fact i used to attack their energy fields all the time.
 
As a christian for along time I have had some unusual experiences over the last year that have challenged preconceived thoughts on our reality.

As a Christian I have experienced the holy spirit as an external force to myself and I know it is real from my own meeting and union with it.

In many times over the last few months I have encountered things that make me think that maybe as people we have other senses that are in tune with another reality around us.A spiritual one or something.

Just as with anything the lord gives some gifts of prophesy and that is just like being an athlete or good business manager access to a natural ability or abundance of a special sense or muscle.

I have watched people say things with unseen knowledge and be accurate as to their revelation of it. I have seen it as a gift from Jesus to believers but also to some non believers. This makes me think there is another reality around us that's hard to explain but as real as our physical one. What do you think?


I actually think some of these senses are not demonic but are no more than an extension of our natural ones. There are some that are for sure and those are the divination ones but I am sure some of our other senses are harmless.

I give my :twocents especially from what people may see my coming from a conspiracy theory end. But I believe Adam was created a superior being. But because of sin and death we degraded. However, certain abilities such as empathy, "psychic" sense, healing, and the ability to heal quickly were created in Adam's package so-to-speak. Every once in a while, these gifts and abilities seem to surface in our genes if enough of the right combination comes forth in a person.

It is still a natural gift and subject to death and/or evil. But it's the way God created us and unless we work via His Spirit, it will be worthless. It's best to think of a person as a musical instrument --- the Spirit (wind) makes the sound, but the type of sound comes from the instrument.

And to reverse the concept, besides having special genes that produce one's gift, I would imagine that God's Spirit in reverse would activate dormant abilities in the genes as well.
 
btw my forage into the occult started with that very thought.

i wasnt born with the abilities to see auras. i devoloped that. i have had telepathic communications(if one wants to believe this as well i have doubts on that.,not to say that all the time i was wrong ) with my girlfriends and also other gifted person.

done a wierd form of astral projection. its funny i never went to any medium/read any books on this stuff or any new age junk or also astrology and or ouija and yet what they all do i was doing and finding and coming with the same ideas.in general i didnt like psychics and so forth so i never would share my thoughts or abilities with them
in fact i used to attack their energy fields all the time.
See that's what god does best and the greatest change he makes. The real magic of christianity is the transformation of mind heart and spirit into a new creature. The one and only time you can expect transformation in other areas of your body is if it's to be used to transform the heart spirit and mind of another person god wants included in the kingdom of heaven. Your senses never changed your heart and mind did. Everything else is still there. It's just surrendered to gods use now.


The thing I believe is if you are a surrendered person to Jesus and you begin to think parts of your being as a whole are under control of the devil, it is other people who will pay the price because you have withheld things that could be used. If you receive an unusual feeling to do something, dont shoot the messenger. God isn't going to always write you a letter with instructions and post it!
 
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seldom does the holy spirit send talking orbs to send me messages.

i do have uh visions in worship, i check them when i do see them

on sunday, the holy ghost fell in worship and at the alter call for the church members who wanted the hs. there was a fog and it was up to chest hight and also my step-daughter had this arrow(yellow) pointing to her head, and i verified that god did touch her as i felt this was the hs.
 
You've asked that those who respond to your thread say what they really think. What I think is that it is much more profitable for me to reference the Word of God.

My mind immediately goes to what Paul said when God used Him to speak to us as he talked about your subject in 1 Corinthians chapter fourteen. He spoke of things "pertaining to the wind or breath; windy, exposed to the wind, blowing," as if they existed. We were told to "Follow after love," --> meaning that we are to pursue Love and desire spiritual [things].

To think that the only things like that that men can desire are false is (to me) a bad translation because it makes what Paul was talking about (prophecy and other stuff) originate from sources other than God. We can not ignore the fact that our Father in heaven has provided heavenly things for us that we are plainly told to desire.

In conclusion, if what we are speaking about are the Gifts of the Holy Ghost, they are each (by definition) holy and utterly apart from sin.

Cordially,
~Michael
 
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God created everything for good. Satan uses it for bad. If you've never seen someone who is possessed, then you don't realize that power. If satan has that power, you best believe that we as Christians also have that power because it's from God and more powerful and healing than anything satan dabbles with.... it was "ours" from God. Just because there are those who use such for evil shouldn't stop us from using it for good, if God has allowed us to embrace it. If God gets the glory, and we stay in check of our egoes etc, there is no problem (Even those who were not disciples were casting out devils and healing people and the disciples told Jesus that they told those dudes to stop it. Christ rebuked them and said let them, instead.)

There is nothing inherently wrong with seeing other's energy fields... they do exist. What you do with that information is up to you and your relationship with God. Those who are given such abilities are responsible for more, on a higher standard for work for Christ imo.

We should all have the ability to heal others, and ourselves. That's Biblical. Yes, there is always the evil element, and those who can discern between good and evil (trying the Spirits) can use that to their (believer's) advantage as well.

I believe we all had the ability to speak with the animals in the garden of Eden ("all" being metaphorical) and since Adam named all the animals and the stars (um some 50 billion trillion stars alone?) etc...then it fits that we only use a small percentage of our brain power.

Unless you've tried the spirit and know it is evil, then don't attribute something to satan. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is a big no, no.
Don't limit God with ignorance or fear, but step boldly out with the power of God to do His work is what I say.
 
(Luk 11:11-13 KJV) - "If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"
The OP is established -- there is no need to consider evil here. IF we ask our God (who is Good) for that which is Good - shall he give evil? No.
 
seldom does the holy spirit send talking orbs to send me messages.

i do have uh visions in worship, i check them when i do see them

on sunday, the holy ghost fell in worship and at the alter call for the church members who wanted the hs. there was a fog and it was up to chest hight and also my step-daughter had this arrow(yellow) pointing to her head, and i verified that god did touch her as i felt this was the hs.
Awsome story I believe you
 
Azelle and sparrowhawk thanks for tje encouraging replies I agree with you both. I can see wisdom in your answers.
 
God created everything for good. Satan uses it for bad. If you've never seen someone who is possessed, then you don't realize that power. If satan has that power, you best believe that we as Christians also have that power because it's from God and more powerful and healing than anything satan dabbles with.... it was "ours" from God. Just because there are those who use such for evil shouldn't stop us from using it for good, if God has allowed us to embrace it. If God gets the glory, and we stay in check of our egoes etc, there is no problem (Even those who were not disciples were casting out devils and healing people and the disciples told Jesus that they told those dudes to stop it. Christ rebuked them and said let them, instead.)

There is nothing inherently wrong with seeing other's energy fields... they do exist. What you do with that information is up to you and your relationship with God. Those who are given such abilities are responsible for more, on a higher standard for work for Christ imo.

We should all have the ability to heal others, and ourselves. That's Biblical. Yes, there is always the evil element, and those who can discern between good and evil (trying the Spirits) can use that to their (believer's) advantage as well.

I believe we all had the ability to speak with the animals in the garden of Eden ("all" being metaphorical) and since Adam named all the animals and the stars (um some 50 billion trillion stars alone?) etc...then it fits that we only use a small percentage of our brain power.

Unless you've tried the spirit and know it is evil, then don't attribute something to satan. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is a big no, no.
Don't limit God with ignorance or fear, but step boldly out with the power of God to do His work is what I say.

adam named the stars?? i dont recall that.God named them and he gave us the maseroth which is perveted to the modern zodiac
 
chris how does one verify communications from humans that say they are or have sent a telepathic message when you dont meet them, or know them?

and btw i did do that with my gf who was senstitive to spirits and there is one that was posting on this forum whom i did that with. man i wish she would contact me and talk on this matter as she did a lot more occulting things and on religions is walking enclyopedia on this stuff. from new age to physics she was knowledgable.
 
chris how does one verify communications from humans that say they are or have sent a telepathic message when you dont meet them, or know them?

and btw i did do that with my gf who was senstitive to spirits and there is one that was posting on this forum whom i did that with. man i wish she would contact me and talk on this matter as she did a lot more occulting things and on religions is walking enclyopedia on this stuff. from new age to physics she was knowledgable.

To tell you the truth I dont know anything about telepathy. As for any things I have i learned not to talk about it on forums. I gave up doing that a year ago on Christian forums. I dont do it anymore and wont. this thread I started was just something I noticed with people. My wife does it so much, its really weird.

Its that girl sense that knows stuff somehow. She knows stuff hours before its gonna happen and tells me and then it happens. Of course it makes you wonder how we are made up.

2 days ago she woke up with the message in her head to take the car to the mechanic to have the radiator checked out. She ignored it. Grr
Yesterday afternoon the radiator in my car had steam coming from it everywhere.

$550 later I so wish she listened to that thought. It might have been just a matter of a hose not a whole new radiator. :sad
 
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