I know this will trigger some people, but I will ask the unaskable

[Rookie]

This will trigger people's emotional personalities off the chart, as this topic is wrapped full in sensitive emotionalism. I know some will be exceedingly angry with me, but if you don't know Soldiers by now, who's countercultural to the max, within a couple of threads someone is going to be triggered.

So without further ado.

My question is, why do we put so much on the Holocaust and the torture systems used there when if you put the unstable emotions aside, clear your logic, and look unbiasedly at the event, it was equated to a regular POW camp? Concentration camps existed a century before WWII, and prisons existed as far back as 1000 B.C. And far worse torture methods existed back in medieval times, especially during the Roman Empire era. But we put far more emphasis, emotion, and empathy on 1939-45, while worse has happened and literally nobody gives a crypt.

Here is a post from a different forum that I made on this:

"I AM NOT DEAMEANING THE HOLOCAUST

But if you take the extreme emotionalism factor out of 1939-45, you can see the camps were just classic P.O.W. camps. Even US pow camps from the Japanese or during the civil war were almost as bad as the nazi's. Prisons existed for thousands of years, even going back to 1000 B.C. many of which had far worse conditions than the Nazi concentration camps & prisons.

Torture methods back then far exceeded the torture methods of 1939-1945, especially during the Roman Empire era which had some of the absolutely worse torture methods such as:
asphyxiation
crucifixion
punitive scourging on the back using metal whips filled with broken glass, sharp animal bones, rigid steel blades, (one lash from the aggressive professional executioners can rip out, damage, and even the internal organs and even expose them)
the legendary brazen bull device (which puts you in a bronze, bull-shaped container, which they light a fire under it which you are grilled alive.)
Being fed to intensely-starved lions
Being burned alive
Being boiled alive
Being deep-fried alive
And many other methods far exceed cruelty.

All of this, Christians have faced, and even continue to face (about 52 Christians are killed daily due to hatred measures, that means 364 a week, 1,560 a month, and 18,980 a year. That's the regular days, not including jailing, beating, flogging etc.) but since the world media, doesn't attach heavy emotionalism to it, most people couldn't care less."

So let the floodgates of war and hatred come, I'm ready, but if you lead with your emotions, your only further proving the point of this thread. Try to pause and think logically, take a 1-minute breather, do 20 pushups, 8 jumping jacks, eat some tofu or a watermelon, something!

Alright, peace.

 

[hawkman]

My question is, why do we put so much on the Holocaust and the torture systems used there when if you put the unstable emotions aside, clear your logic, and look unbiasedly at the event, it was equated to a regular POW camp?

Why were citizens of their own country in a POW camp and exterminated ? Regular camp , surely you jest .

 

[Rookie]

Why were citizens of their own country in a POW camp and exterminated ? Regular camp , surely you jest .

Same thing Paul went through, he was a Roman citizen was endured 39 floggings, several mob crowd beatings, shipwrecks, and eventually, he was killed at the hands of Nero. A man, a citizen of the empire killed. Same with the immeasurable multitude of people Nero had slaughtered in his masquerade against Christians, crucified, burned, fed to lions, and more. All were born (and thus citizens) in the Roman Empire.

The Japanese Americans who were put in camps against their will, we're citizens of the United States and we're mostly born there or obtained it through the citizenship process. African Americans were slaves for centuries in America, we've been citizens since the early 1800s after our parents arrived here on ships and had children, and were beaten, flogged, burned alive, scourged, raped, gassed, sprayed, bombed, blown up, sent to jail with rats all over the place, starved, hunted, shot, and countless other atrocities for hundreds of years, and we are all citizens of the United States. And who gives a crypt about us?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Same thing Paul went through, he was a Roman citizen was endured 39 floggings, several mob crowd beatings, shipwrecks, and eventually, he was killed at the hands of Nero. A man, a citizen of the empire killed. Same with the immeasurable multitude of people Nero had slaughtered in his masquerade against Christians, crucified, burned, fed to lions, and more. All were born (and thus citizens) in the Roman Empire.

The Japanese Americans who were put in camps against their will, we're citizens of the United States and we're mostly born there or obtained it through the citizenship process. African Americans were slaves for centuries in America, we've been citizens since the early 1800s after our parents arrived here on ships and had children, and were beaten, flogged, burned alive, scourged, raped, gassed, sprayed, bombed, blown up, sent to jail with rats all over the place, starved, hunted, shot, and countless other atrocities for hundreds of years, and we are all citizens of the United States. And who gives a crypt about us?

The devil is the leader of this world.
It is written..."Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" (Eph 2:2)
Those who do ungodly things are not of God.

 

[tim-from-pa]

This will trigger people's emotional personalities off the chart, as this topic is wrapped full in sensitive emotionalism. I know some will be exceedingly angry with me, but if you don't know Soldiers by now, who's countercultural to the max, within a couple of threads someone is going to be triggered.

So without further ado.

My question is, why do we put so much on the Holocaust and the torture systems used there when if you put the unstable emotions aside, clear your logic, and look unbiasedly at the event, it was equated to a regular POW camp? Concentration camps existed a century before WWII, and prisons existed as far back as 1000 B.C. And far worse torture methods existed back in medieval times, especially during the Roman Empire era. But we put far more emphasis, emotion, and empathy on 1939-45, while worse has happened and literally nobody gives a crypt.

Here is a post from a different forum that I made on this:

"I AM NOT DEAMEANING THE HOLOCAUST

But if you take the extreme emotionalism factor out of 1939-45, you can see the camps were just classic P.O.W. camps. Even US pow camps from the Japanese or during the civil war were almost as bad as the nazi's. Prisons existed for thousands of years, even going back to 1000 B.C. many of which had far worse conditions than the Nazi concentration camps & prisons.

Torture methods back then far exceeded the torture methods of 1939-1945, especially during the Roman Empire era which had some of the absolutely worse torture methods such as:
asphyxiation
crucifixion
punitive scourging on the back using metal whips filled with broken glass, sharp animal bones, rigid steel blades, (one lash from the aggressive professional executioners can rip out, damage, and even the internal organs and even expose them)
the legendary brazen bull device (which puts you in a bronze, bull-shaped container, which they light a fire under it which you are grilled alive.)
Being fed to intensely-starved lions
Being burned alive
Being boiled alive
Being deep-fried alive
And many other methods far exceed cruelty.

All of this, Christians have faced, and even continue to face (about 52 Christians are killed daily due to hatred measures, that means 364 a week, 1,560 a month, and 18,980 a year. That's the regular days, not including jailing, beating, flogging etc.) but since the world media, doesn't attach heavy emotionalism to it, most people couldn't care less."

So let the floodgates of war and hatred come, I'm ready, but if you lead with your emotions, your only further proving the point of this thread. Try to pause and think logically, take a 1-minute breather, do 20 pushups, 8 jumping jacks, eat some tofu or a watermelon, something!

Alright, peace.

I'm not riled up in the least, but I also am not clear as to what you are even asking. The gist seems to be that the Holocaust gets undo attention when there were other terrible war crimes and imprisonments? Am I correct?

 

[Uncle J]

Seriously?

First of all, you can't compare Nazi concentration camps with the US's detainment of Japanese Americans during WWII. While what the US did was terrible, they didn't put Japanese Americans in camps with the express intent of entirely exterminating them as a race/people.

It's the same with POW camps.

Simply put, the Nazis' treatment of Jews amounted to genocide. Therefore, that's the only other thing you can compare the Holocaust to....other cases of genocide. Trying to compare it to regular POW camps is positively absurd.

 

[Rookie]

I'm not riled up in the least, but I also am not clear as to what you are even asking. The gist seems to be that the Holocaust gets undo attention when there were other terrible war crimes and imprisonments? Am I correct?

You can lose your job, and never get hired again, anywhere, if you dare utter a word that goes anything contrary to the European victors story version of the Holocaust. But you can tell an African American to get over slavery 400 years and more than 15 million victims, and not have anything happen to you, but you dare tell a European or white Jew to get over the Holocaust, 6 years and 6 millions victims, and you may lose your life. If it's the atrocity we are concerned about, why are we giving any attention to far worse atrocities that occurred and are still occurring?

Is it because we just don't know? Is it because we just don't care? Is it because it's a particular group of people?

Are we saying "Never again", to just a particular class, or "never again", period? The Holocaust is getting near to be a 100 year old event in the next 20 or so years, Slavery, Prejudice, Racism, Christophobia, hate crimes based on religion, massacre of babies & sacrifice to Molech, and many other are still rampant, and even Christians don't care.

 

[Rookie]

Seriously?

First of all, you can't compare Nazi concentration camps with the US's detainment of Japanese Americans during WWII. While what the US did was terrible, they didn't put Japanese Americans in camps with the express intent of entirely exterminating them as a race/people.

It's the same with POW camps.

Simply put, the Nazis' treatment of Jews amounted to genocide. Therefore, that's the only other thing you can compare the Holocaust to....other cases of genocide. Trying to compare it to regular POW camps is positively absurd.

I knew the emotionalism was coming, you apparently cherry-picked my comment and didn't read all of it, knowing you wouldn't be able to consciously say this if you did. Mind if I a bit of what I said?

Prisons existed for thousands of years, even going back to 1000 B.C. many of which had far worse conditions than the Nazi concentration camps & prisons.

Torture methods back then far exceeded the torture methods of 1939-1945, especially during the Roman Empire era which had some of the absolutely worse torture methods such as:
asphyxiation
crucifixion
punitive scourging on the back using metal whips filled with broken glass, sharp animal bones, rigid steel blades, (one lash from the aggressive professional executioners can rip out, damage, and even the internal organs and even expose them)
the legendary brazen bull device (which puts you in a bronze, bull-shaped container, which they light a fire under it which you are grilled alive.)
Being fed to intensely-starved lions
Being burned alive
Being boiled alive
Being deep-fried alive
And many other methods far exceed cruelty.

All of this, Christians have faced, and even continue to face (about 52 Christians are killed daily due to hatred measures, that means 364 a week, 1,560 a month, and 18,980 a year. That's the regular days, not including jailing, beating, flogging etc.) but since the world media, doesn't attach heavy emotionalism to it, most people couldn't care less."

 

[Uncle J]

I knew the emotionalism was coming, you apparently cherry-picked my comment and didn't read all of it, knowing you wouldn't be able to consciously say this if you did. Mind if I a bit of what I said?

There was no emotion in my post, but rather a simple review of the facts.

The Holocaust was genocide. The interment of Japanese Americans was not, and neither are POW camps. Therefore they are not at all comparable and attempts to compare them are the fallacy of false analogy.

 

[Rookie]

The Holocaust was genocide. The interment of Japanese Americans was not, and neither are POW camps. Therefore they are not at all comparable and attempts to compare them are the fallacy of false analogy.

You still absolutely refuse to read the sentence directly following what I said don't you?

 

[Uncle J]

You still absolutely refuse to read the sentence directly following what I said don't you?

What specifically are you referring to?

 

[for_his_glory]

These things have always been beginning with Cain killing his brother Abel, Nimrod building the Tower of Babel, the four Empires (Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire), political wars that have always caused slavery, prejudice, racism, religious intolerance, annihilation of Christians as it's all about the seven things God hates an are abominations to Him. There is not one greater than another in the horrendous events through out history, today and in the future. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. These things should anger us, but also awaken us to the need to take the Gospel message out to those who will hear God calling them to His salvation. This world will only wax worse and there is nothing we can do to stop it, except to only be that witness Christ has called us to be in order to witness and testify of Him to the world.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

 

[Rookie]

What specifically are you referring to?

My bad I went a little too far there with the previous comment, I was referring to this section:

"Prisons existed for thousands of years, even going back to 1000 B.C. many of which had far worse conditions than the Nazi concentration camps & prisons.

Torture methods back then far exceeded the torture methods of 1939-1945, especially during the Roman Empire era which had some of the absolutely worse torture methods such as:
asphyxiation
crucifixion
punitive scourging on the back using metal whips filled with broken glass, sharp animal bones, rigid steel blades, (one lash from the aggressive professional executioners can rip out, damage, and even the internal organs and even expose them)
the legendary brazen bull device (which puts you in a bronze, bull-shaped container, which they light a fire under it which you are grilled alive.)
Being fed to intensely-starved lions
Being burned alive
Being boiled alive
Being deep-fried alive
And many other methods far exceed cruelty.

All of this, Christians have faced, and even continue to face (about 52 Christians are killed daily due to hatred measures, that means 364 a week, 1,560 a month, and 18,980 a year. That's the regular days, not including jailing, beating, flogging etc.) but since the world media, doesn't attach heavy emotionalism to it, most people couldn't care less."

 

[Uncle J]

My bad I went a little too far there with the previous comment, I was referring to this section:

"Prisons existed for thousands of years, even going back to 1000 B.C. many of which had far worse conditions than the Nazi concentration camps & prisons.

Torture methods back then far exceeded the torture methods of 1939-1945, especially during the Roman Empire era which had some of the absolutely worse torture methods such as:
asphyxiation
crucifixion
punitive scourging on the back using metal whips filled with broken glass, sharp animal bones, rigid steel blades, (one lash from the aggressive professional executioners can rip out, damage, and even the internal organs and even expose them)
the legendary brazen bull device (which puts you in a bronze, bull-shaped container, which they light a fire under it which you are grilled alive.)
Being fed to intensely-starved lions
Being burned alive
Being boiled alive
Being deep-fried alive
And many other methods far exceed cruelty.

All of this, Christians have faced, and even continue to face (about 52 Christians are killed daily due to hatred measures, that means 364 a week, 1,560 a month, and 18,980 a year. That's the regular days, not including jailing, beating, flogging etc.) but since the world media, doesn't attach heavy emotionalism to it, most people couldn't care less."

I still don't understand what point you're trying to make here, or what your desired outcome is.

 

[Rookie]

I still don't understand what point you're trying to make here, or what your desired outcome is.

You addressed the Japanese prison camps as inferior to the Holocaust, now I'm asking what about the other listed atrocities, are they inferior, superior, or on-the-same-level-erior?

 

[Uncle J]

You addressed the Japanese prison camps as inferior to the Holocaust, now I'm asking what about the other listed atrocities, are they inferior, superior, or on-the-same-level-erior?

I didn't say anything about inferiority/superiority of atrocities. I simply noted that the interment of Japanese Americans was not genocide and therefore is not comparable to the Holocaust.

Are you trying to set up some sort of ranking system for atrocities?

 

[Rookie]

I didn't say anything about inferiority/superiority of atrocities. I simply noted that the interment of Japanese Americans was not genocide and therefore is not comparable to the Holocaust.

Are you trying to set up some sort of ranking system for atrocities?

Uh, no?

The crux of my comment was not about the Japanese Americans, that's one sentence that was picked out when I still have an entire other things listed that have still yet to be addressed.

 

[tim-from-pa]

You can lose your job, and never get hired again, anywhere, if you dare utter a word that goes anything contrary to the European victors story version of the Holocaust. But you can tell an African American to get over slavery 400 years and more than 15 million victims, and not have anything happen to you, but you dare tell a European or white Jew to get over the Holocaust, 6 years and 6 millions victims, and you may lose your life. If it's the atrocity we are concerned about, why are we giving any attention to far worse atrocities that occurred and are still occurring? ....

No, I did not notice that. If anything, I would say it's the reverse. I'm noticing the Jews (especially with what is happening in Israel/Gaza) seem to be shrugged off at best, or at worse the Jews are considered to somehow be at fault and, what's the word? Occupiers. On the other hand, with Antifa and BLM and whatnot these days it seems as if some people were afraid to say anything (or police of doing more things) for fear of more violence. And I would observe that the person who would condemn the latter rather than the former would be the one losing their jobs. But maybe I am one of those who shrug things off to an extent. I'm retired so I don't have to worry about that any longer and play corporate political games, "correctness" and whatnot. I do pray about the world situations, though, and I support both young and old peoples caught in the middle.

 

[Uncle J]

Uh, no?

The crux of my comment was not about the Japanese Americans, that's one sentence that was picked out when I still have an entire other things listed that have still yet to be addressed.

Ok. I still don't know what your point or desired outcome are.

 

[GodsGrace]

You can lose your job, and never get hired again, anywhere, if you dare utter a word that goes anything contrary to the European victors story version of the Holocaust. But you can tell an African American to get over slavery 400 years and more than 15 million victims, and not have anything happen to you, but you dare tell a European or white Jew to get over the Holocaust, 6 years and 6 millions victims, and you may lose your life. If it's the atrocity we are concerned about, why are we giving any attention to far worse atrocities that occurred and are still occurring?

Is it because we just don't know? Is it because we just don't care? Is it because it's a particular group of people?

Are we saying "Never again", to just a particular class, or "never again", period? The Holocaust is getting near to be a 100 year old event in the next 20 or so years, Slavery, Prejudice, Racism, Christophobia, hate crimes based on religion, massacre of babies & sacrifice to Molech, and many other are still rampant, and even Christians don't care.

I think part of the problem here is that slavery was a long time ago when people were not as "civil" as we are today. (which is questionable of course).

IOW, we could expect it from those of the 1600's to 1800's,
but we can't seem to accept any such atrocity in the here and now - even though it is STILL happening.

Also, it's current so we feel it more.
When it passes my mind in pictures when hearing about someone being burned to death, it's almost unbearable to know that man could be so cruel to man. And the church did this too!

But I don't see anyone getting fired because they don't believe the holocaust happened.
It seems to me that the Political Correctness thing is on the side of everyone BUT the Jews.

You're asking why we don't care about other peoples. Could it be because it's known about world-wide and because it's about genocide?

There were genocide type killings of many during and after WWII and even in Yugoslavia in the 1990's war, but smaller numbers of persons was involved.

America isn't too concerned about it because they don't hear much about it and because it didn't cross many countries as did the holocaust.