If God Loved everyone !

[shad]

That's kinda my point. Everyone thinks they are right and the other person is deceiving self and others. I wonder why there would BE such a "narrow road" IF god wanted to save everyone. That makes absolutely no sense, no matter what you do to sugar coat it.

It is narrow because not everyone wants to be saved or wants God's way. That's the difference. God does not want anyone to perish but most of us want our own ways. God has plan for His kingdom. We have to fit into His plan. He will not accommodate our own selfish ways. Most of us want the wars, prejudices and all kinds of evil things. God is Holy and He wants us to be holy too.

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[savedbygrace57]

As I said in your mind..For I have showed you plenty of scripture, Just read the thread..

Continually nit picking, get rid of your pride.

take care.

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You get rid of your pride, you have ignored much scripture evidence and have elevated your own reasoning over Gods word, thats the epitome of pride..

 

[glorydaz]

Again, most of us are deceiving ourselves and others. We will be judged severely if we are spreading falsehoods.

After all, Jesus warns us that "narrow is the road that leads to life and only a few find it".
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That's kinda my point. Everyone thinks they are right and the other person is deceiving self and others. I wonder why there would BE such a "narrow road" IF god wanted to save everyone. That makes absolutely no sense, no matter what you do to sugar coat it.

I appreciate people caring about my "spiritual future", . . . . but at this point, this sight has either confused what I should "believe" or else confirmed my current stance.

Blessings.

You got on the wrong thread, Orion. If you listen to false preachers you'll never find the truth.
Nothing SBG has posted is the Word of God...it's a twisting of the Word to the highest degree.
You don't get good gas if you fill up at the pit...go for a station that pumps Supreme.

 

[Orion]

savedbygrace seems absolutely certain that he/she is right, though. I would not be surprised if sbg stated "holy spirit inspiration". This sort of "disagreement" is okay in a relgion that is open to various forms, . . . but in one that claims to BE the only one, there is too much docrinal fighting. Hasn't this religion seen enough unrest in its time on earth?

Even if you all were in agreement, . . . I've begun to find issue with "WHAT/WHO we are trying to save us from".

But anyway, don't let me stand in you all's way, . . . continue debating over who's right. It's something that has gone on since its inception.

 

[elijah23]

First of all, I believe “love†refers to how people act towards each other as opposed to how they feel about each other.

The Lord demonstrated his love for us by dying on the cross so that we might be saved. We merely need to believe in Jesus (John 3:16). Certainly, this was an act of love performed by the Lord towards all of us.

But maybe we’d like to have more of his love. Well, how much love do you expect the Lord to give you if you refuse to love him back?

I think maybe that is what this is about.

 

[Orion]

First of all, I believe “love†refers to how people act towards each other as opposed to how they feel about each other.

The Lord demonstrated his love for us by dying on the cross so that we might be saved. We merely need to believe in Jesus (John 3:16). Certainly, this was an act of love performed by the Lord towards all of us.

But maybe we’d like to have more of his love. Well, how much love do you expect the Lord to give you if you refuse to love him back?

I think maybe that is what this is about.

First of all, I've experienced no "love" from god. There are words written in a book that claim to be from him, but I choose not to trust the words of anyone when it comes to something like this. If some sort of communication is wanted from god to me, then I'm sure he/she will find a way to express it in a way that is real for me.

BTW, how is it love to "die on a cross" THEN only accept the few who, through the course of time, happen upon the information and choose to believe the "word of mouth", outside actual evidence?

 

[faithtransforms]

Savedbygrace,

-For God so loved the WORLD

-He is willing that NONE SHOULD PERISH

-He desires that ALL MEN BE SAVED

-He is the savior of ALL MEN, specially them that believe.

What part of that do you not understand? When interpreting scripture, is it not best to give God the benefit of the doubt? Who would want to love a God that arbitrarily sentences some men to burn forever in hell? Apparently you do.

I agree that some of the scriptures you posted present difficulties. But by the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be establised. There are many scriptures that witness to God's love for all mankind. Why would you not choose to focus on them?

 

[mutzrein]

Savedbygrace,

-For God so loved the WORLD

-He is willing that NONE SHOULD PERISH

-He desires that ALL MEN BE SAVED

-He is the savior of ALL MEN, specially them that believe.

What part of that do you not understand? When interpreting scripture, is it not best to give God the benefit of the doubt? Who would want to love a God that arbitrarily sentences some men to burn forever in hell? Apparently you do.

I agree that some of the scriptures you posted present difficulties. But by the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be establised. There are many scriptures that witness to God's love for all mankind. Why would you not choose to focus on them?

A question faithtransforms

Why would you want to ignore scriptures that present difficulty? Surely scripture does not lie. Focussing on the ones that we agree with does not make the others wrong. If one 'appears' to say one thing and another contradicts it, I would be seeking the Lord to gain understanding. Could it be that your premise is not sound?

 

[savedbygrace57]

faitht poats:

Savedbygrace,

-For God so loved the WORLD

-He is willing that NONE SHOULD PERISH

-He desires that ALL MEN BE SAVED

-He is the savior of ALL MEN, specially them that believe.

All these when properly understood refers to the elect of God..

 

[mondar]

A question faithtransforms

Why would you want to ignore scriptures that present difficulty? Surely scripture does not lie. Focussing on the ones that we agree with does not make the others wrong. If one 'appears' to say one thing and another contradicts it, I would be seeking the Lord to gain understanding. Could it be that your premise is not sound?

mutzrein, I agree that "faithtransforms" is merely citing passages and then using her tradition to interpret those verses, rather then actually working with the context. "SavedbyGrace" is doing the same thing. His tradition is that each verse speaks of the elect. I agree with SavedbyGrace, but doubt he could show in the context of the verses quoted by "faithtransforms" why each verse actually does speak of the elect.

Would it not be refreshing to see someone, anyone, defend their interpretation of a word of phrase from the context?

 

[glorydaz]

faitht poats:

Savedbygrace,

-For God so loved the WORLD

-He is willing that NONE SHOULD PERISH

-He desires that ALL MEN BE SAVED

-He is the savior of ALL MEN, specially them that believe.

All these when properly understood refers to the elect of God..

No, you're wrong.
If you keep teaching this kind of false doctrine, you'll be held accountable by God.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory

No, you're wrong.

No you are wrong, Judgment day is going to prove it too..

 

[glorydaz]

glory

No, you're wrong.

No you are wrong, Judgment day is going to prove it too..

I prefer the Word of God, if you don't mind.
The word of savedbygrace doesn't carry the same authority.

 

[mutzrein]

Can't you guys discuss an issue without making accusations? Surely this is not becoming of one who claims the love of God! What happened to the fruit of the Spirit?

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory says:

I prefer the Word of God, if you don't mind.

Thats what i have been giving you.. :yes

 

[glorydaz]

Can't you guys discuss an issue without making accusations? Surely this is not becoming of one who claims the love of God! What happened to the fruit of the Spirit?

I'm long-suffering in pointing out the Bible is the only Word of God. :biglaugh

It would be so refreshing if we could read the Word as it's written, and believe what it says.

 

[shad]

It would be so refreshing if we could read the Word as it's written, and believe what it says.

Yes, you should preach it as it is written, not making up your own salvation.

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[glorydaz]

It would be so refreshing if we could read the Word as it's written, and believe what it says.

Yes, you should preach it as it is written, not making up your own salvation.

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I'm not the one making up my own salvation.
I know Jesus saved me without any effort on my part.
My salvation is a free gift.

 

[shad]

I'm not the one making up my own salvation.
I know Jesus saved me without any effort on my part.
My salvation is a free gift.

You see, you are making up your own salvation because you deny Jesus' own word of "make every effort to go into God's kingdom."

You need both faith and works. Without either, no salvation. Faith without deeds is dead. Dead faith cannot save you.

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[glorydaz]

I'm not the one making up my own salvation.
I know Jesus saved me without any effort on my part.
My salvation is a free gift.

You see, you are making up your own salvation because you deny Jesus' own word of "make every effort to go into God's kingdom."

You need both faith and works. Without either, no salvation. Faith without deeds is dead. Dead faith cannot save you.

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The Kingdom of God is within me, Shad.
I don't need to make an effort to get in.

You stand on one verse like it's base, and ignore the rest of Scripture at your own peril.
I understand, now, why you're worried.
I can see quite clearly you do, indeed, need to keep striving to enter into the Kingdom.
Go for it...perhaps one day you'll get there.