If God Loved everyone !

[savedbygrace57]

whatch the attacks!
do i knew your heart, and do you know mine. it one thing to question doctrine and another to claim another is NOT a beliver via some minor doctrinal disagreements or even large ones,unless they are purely heritical, this topic is no that type.
keep in mind that the the verse regarging esau could mean that he didnt hate but didn't choose him ,is it consisent with his nature.

when we rebel we lose blessings, and this may be what happen to easu, he choose the world over god, did god love him less, now but he couldnt use him. think of this verse.

many are called , but few are chosen.

God Loved jacob and hated easu before they did any good or evil..rom 9:

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

God knew Esau's heart before Esau was ever born.

God knows everyone heart before they are born, He should He made their hearts, so your point is moot..

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory says:

Of course everyone has a chance to repent.

No they dont, its only given to some to repent..acts 5:

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

acts 11:

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Nothing in scripture says everyone has a chance to repent, you are making up your own theology..

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory says:

The Lord chose Judas knowing he would betray Him.

Thats right, for it was decreed by God that judas would do that, He was selected by God before the world began to do that dastardly deed, for that cause was he born..

 

[glorydaz]

glory says:

Of course everyone has a chance to repent.

No they dont, its only given to some to repent..acts 5:

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

acts 11:

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Nothing in scripture says everyone has a chance to repent, you are making up your own theology..

Uh...Israel is covered and the gentiles are covered. Who do you think is left?

It really isn't necessary for you to constantly be saying I'm making things up or claiming to believe the Bible with my mouth when I don't accept your interpretation of the Word. The above is a perfect example. The chance to repent is given to all and you even give the verses to prove it. And yet you don't see. Not much I can say after that.

 

[glorydaz]

God knew Esau's heart before Esau was ever born.

God knows everyone heart before they are born, He should He made their hearts, so your point is moot..

LOL Better moot than wrong.

 

[RND]

The premise is wrong. And this is the reason that so many fall into the trap of believing that man can accept or reject life.

A man has a choice to accept the work of the Lord on the cross or they don't.

A man who is drowning still has life and can grasp onto a life preserver.

Exactly! A drowning man has a choice to reach for the life preserver or not! Just as a sinner has a choice to reach for Jesus Christ or not.

A man who is dead cannot.

That's true. But unfortunately that would be making the assumption that he never had a life preserver thrown in his direction! By the testimony of the word of God we know he did.

The truth is, we are NOT all dying.

That's news to me.

Those who have not received the gift of life are DEAD.

Everyone dies. Christ died the 'second death' so we would not have to.

And it is only by the grace of God that man has life - for he can do nothing to achieve it.

He has to accept it. This is faith.

You see the righteousness that God requires can never be built on a human decision to 'accept' life.

Never suggested that. Simply suggested that a man must make a simple choice: To believe God and His words of truth and actions of love or reject them. This is a 'free choice' just as much as choosing a life preserver is!

I'll ask the question again: Did not Jesus throw mankind a "life preserver" by shedding His own precious blood? Instead of suggesting the premise is wrong answer the question. I answer in the affirmative. How about you?

 

[savedbygrace57]

rnd says:

A man has a choice to accept the work of the Lord on the cross or they don't.

What scripture says this ? You are making this up with no biblical support..

The Father accepted the work of christ in behalf of His chosen people...

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory says:

Of course everyone has a chance to repent.

No they dont, its only given to some to repent..acts 5:

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

acts 11:

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Nothing in scripture says everyone has a chance to repent, you are making up your own theology..

Uh...Israel is covered and the gentiles are covered. Who do you think is left?

It really isn't necessary for you to constantly be saying I'm making things up or claiming to believe the Bible with my mouth when I don't accept your interpretation of the Word. The above is a perfect example. The chance to repent is given to all and you even give the verses to prove it. And yet you don't see. Not much I can say after that.

The Israel of God is covered, comprised of both Jew and gentile, so thats all who receives repentance, the church, the israel of God, comprised of both jews and gentiles..the rest of mankind will perish in their sins as God created them for..

 

[glorydaz]

rnd says:

A man has a choice to accept the work of the Lord on the cross or they don't.

What scripture says this ? You are making this up with no biblical support..

The Father accepted the work of christ in behalf of His chosen people...

Making it up? :crazy
Repentance itself is a choice.

9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Man has always had a choice....we're to choose life through faith to serve the Lord or not.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

Making it up?
Repentance itself is a choice.

Yes, you are making it up, there is no scripture that says repentance is a choice. Repentance is given as I have already showed you from scripture..

 

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[RND]

rnd says:

A man has a choice to accept the work of the Lord on the cross or they don't.

What scripture says this ? You are making this up with no biblical support..

Well, there's a number of scriptures used to support this. I'll just give two brief examples.

Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

When Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness one of the things one biten by the snake had to do was actually 'look' at the brazen serpent on the pole. In looking they were also to have faith. Thus the requirement to build faith was to 'look' which was something that the one desiring to be healed had to do - God didn't do it for them.

The word for believeth is = pisteuo and it means: from pistiV - pistis 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):--believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

In order to put trust in something or someone it involves 'giving' them something to trust. An action. One can't hope a bank will guard their money unless they exercise faith by giving the bank the money! Same thing with Christ Jesus. Can't exercise faith in Him until you give Him you heart - by faith!

The second example is:

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

This is so self-explanatory I'm surprised you even asked for scripture in the first place. That said, the door is always seen as the gateway to sin. Cain was told about it. The COI were required to place blood on the door posts. Thy were told to place the Ten Commandments before the door.

Jesus knocks at the door of our hearts. A man has to hear and to open the door to him. Both events require a physical work of doing something: listening and opening the door. You know savedbygrace57 I have to observe that if you were so hung up on one verse you might know these things.

The Father accepted the work of christ in behalf of His chosen people...

He also accepted that work of Christ for those who were not His people.

Hsa 2:21 ¶ And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth; Hsa 2:22 And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel. Hsa 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to [them which were] not my people, Thou [art] my people; and they shall say, [Thou art] my God.

 

[glorydaz]

The Israel of God is covered, comprised of both Jew and gentile, so thats all who receives repentance, the church, the israel of God, comprised of both jews and gentiles..the rest of mankind will perish in their sins as God created them for..

God loved us while we were still in our sins...He loved us before we loved Him....before we repented of our sins.

It can't get any clearer than that.

 

[jasoncran]

rnd says:

A man has a choice to accept the work of the Lord on the cross or they don't.

What scripture says this ? You are making this up with no biblical support..

The Father accepted the work of christ in behalf of His chosen people...

to be clear to all is this a calvinistic view then? after if we cant refuse the cross then are there some doomed to hell? what about the vs that says whomsoever will may come, and then there's the whomsever will come, him will i not cast out.

 

[RND]

rnd says:

A man has a choice to accept the work of the Lord on the cross or they don't.

What scripture says this ? You are making this up with no biblical support..

The Father accepted the work of christ in behalf of His chosen people...

to be clear to all is this a calvinistic view then? after if we cant refuse the cross then are there some doomed to hell? what about the vs that says whomsoever will may come, and then there's the whomsever will come, him will i not cast out.

Good verse to choose Jason.

Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

 

[jasoncran]

jn 6:37 i believe that to mean that the father leads jesus to those that he choose to ask, we still can refuse as free will to sin or repent is never trampled upon.

 

[savedbygrace57]

jn 6:37 i believe that to mean that the father leads jesus to those that he choose to ask, we still can refuse as free will to sin or repent is never trampled upon.

Wow, the way to read into that scripture what you want it to mean..

 

[jasoncran]

glory:

Making it up?
Repentance itself is a choice.

Yes, you are making it up, there is no scripture that says repentance is a choice. Repentance is given as I have already showed you from scripture..

calvinism at its core, then why do you witness, and the lord doesnt need us to witness if some are already doomed then, what would be the point to witness then, if the lord ordains those who choice as having no choice. do you think the lord waists his time? yes he knows what the end result will be, but the call to repent is for all not just some here or there.

 

[savedbygrace57]

The Israel of God is covered, comprised of both Jew and gentile, so thats all who receives repentance, the church, the israel of God, comprised of both jews and gentiles..the rest of mankind will perish in their sins as God created them for..

God loved us while we were still in our sins...He loved us before we loved Him....before we repented of our sins.

It can't get any clearer than that.

God Loved His elect while still in their sins..not the non elect, the children of the devil..ps 5:

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

 

[jasoncran]

did you work inquity before the repentance correct? and what were you then according to that verse? a workder inquity a sinner.
and so was i.