If Jesus Was God, Who Do You Say This Jesus Spoke Of?

[for_his_glory]

Then why dont you believe him own who he said he was in God instead of others opinions about him?

I do not search for opinions, but search that of what Jesus has already told us about himself.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

 

[for_his_glory]

Then why dont you believe him own who he said he was in God instead of others opinions about him?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.





Ys and I quoted about what he did speak of himself and his God who sent him.


First -- Gods Spirit is not a person at all. Second the person can only receive the mind, or Spirit the mind is referred to, that minds knowledge of.

All that you are doing is making excuses not to have the mind of Christ, anointed of Gods spirit of mind.



Not one place did Jesus say he was God and not Gods son, and you cannot quote anywhere where he did. All that you are doing is quoting mans own opinions for who they thought Jesus was, just as you are doing from your own beliefs.

Now you are gettin it. God is a Spirit nothing more or anything less, and man is the recipient of His same Spirit of mind, knowledge. Jesus was very clear in that in Luke 17:20-21.

1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an Ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the Baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

 

[for_his_glory]

There’s a problem with that because the gospels don’t organically appear in the Bible. They are called the gospel according to John, Luke, Matthew etc. The people who hung around with Jesus as his apostles didn’t actually write the gospels. In fact the gospels were written long after these men had died and then the Roman church decided what was going to go in the collection of books that we call the Bible.

Another thing we must consider is that when you go online and look up scripture there’s a whole bunch of stuff that says what one particular or another one actually means. So it seems to me that anybody should be able to read scripture and understand it but apparently they’re also thoughts of arguments among some of the most here erudite biblical scholars as to what a lot of them mean.

People have argued about what’s scripture means. The example of that is the fact that there are all these different doctrines and different churches.

I'm sorry, but what you have posted here is heresy against God who through the Holy Spirit inspired the Apostles to write of their witness and testify of Christ Jesus and what He taught them.

2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Elijah7777]

Sich to who Jesus said he was in God

For me Jesus was fully man and can relate to understand how I feel. Even He want to Calvery and suffered for us. How can we ask for anything more than that? So we love Him because He first loved us.

 

[Free]

But the beliefs of these exclude you from their beliefs dont they?

Are you asking if the beliefs of Mormons, etc., exclude me from their beliefs? Yes, they do, and rightly so, because none of those belong to Christianity, to Christ. They are "believers" in that they believe in something, but they are not believers in the NT sense--they are not followers of Jesus.

Amen -- That has been my motto all along. Sich to who Jesus said he was in god and we should be the very same and in Gods same image that He creates man to be in His same Spiritual image by the Spirit of mind that He is. It is who we are, not what we are though some mans beliefs for a god bout it.

No, that is going beyond what Scripture says, while at the same time ignoring other things. There are two equal but opposite errors--adding to Scripture and ignoring parts of Scripture. You're doing both.

Only God Himself Who is a Spirit of Love and man is the kingdom in which He lives as Jesus said in Luke 17:20-21, opens up in us who He is and all of His heaven in us and not even Jesus could escape that fact in Matt 3:16 so stick with what it says for sure. Good advice.

Again, no. I have already addressed this. Luke 17:20 is not saying that the kingdom of God lives in man. It makes no sense to say that since he was speaking to the Pharisees, the same ones that he demolishes in Matt. 23. There is simply no way that Jesus would say "the kingdom of God is within you."
Rather, he is saying that he is the one bringing God's kingdom among them, just as he does elsewhere:

Luk 10:8 Whenever you enter a town and they receive you, eat what is set before you.
Luk 10:9 Heal the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’
Luk 10:10 But whenever you enter a town and they do not receive you, go into its streets and say,
Luk 10:11 ‘Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’ (ESV)

The kingdom of God came "near," that is, in physical proximity, to both those people who received the disciples and who saw them heal the sick, and to those who did not receive the disciples. But it was not within them, that is, inside of them; it only came near.

The kingdom of God is the reign of God on the earth, in every sphere.

SO God did not come to Jesus by the Spirit that God is and open in Jesus all of His heaven and who He is in Jesus in Matt 3:16? Take your own advice and follow what the book says.

No. Jesus knew from a young age who he was, although he was still growing in wisdom:

Luk 2:41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover.
Luk 2:42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom
Luk 2:43 And when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it,
...
Luk 2:46 After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.
Luk 2:47 And all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.
Luk 2:48 And when his parents saw him, they were astonished. And his mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been searching for you in great distress.”
Luk 2:49 And he said to them, “Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?” (ESV)

What happened in Matt. 3:16 was only for the benefit of those around him, as I have already stated. We even have John the Baptist's testimony to this fact:

Joh 1:32 And John bore witness: “I saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him.
Joh 1:33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
Joh 1:34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.” (ESV)

It was to inaugurate Jesus's ministry and indicate to John and others that Jesus was the Messiah, but it effected no actual change in Jesus.

God is in all who will receive Him as Jesus did.

No, Jesus never "received" God. Jesus is God in human flesh. We receive him, Jesus, and the Father through Jesus. The only way to receive salvation is to put repent and put one's trust in Jesus and his work.

But it seems that you exclude yourself from Him, and fall under the beliefs of your own as Jim Jons, David Koresh, Warrn Jefs, Catholics, Mormons, and the alike did and do.

No, my beliefs line up with historic, orthodox Christianity, unlike those you list, and yourself.

So did the Jews prove Jesus was wrong and had him crucified for being wrong. Truth is Jesus was innocent of all of man false beliefs about him claiming to be God. and still is today. And Jesus is still innocent of mans false charges accusing him of being God instead of Gods child, His son.

Jesus is God. To deny that is to deny who he is; it is to put oneself outside of salvation.

 

[Free]

Take your own advice and believe what is written. Here try and follow what is written who Jesus said he was in God. Y0ou dont even believe what you read of Jesus, that is very obvious. you believe what others said about hi, from their own perspectives.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

As I stated earlier, Jesus says a lot more than this. To base your arguments on just these things is to proof-text, to take them out of context, and so misunderstand the fullness of what Jesus said.

I just quoted what Jesus said said from his own mouth. You might try following what he said about himself and his God who sent him to show you the way to have the same in you who was in Christ Jesus.

Yeah, you've tried this already and then ignored the passages I gave of other things Jesus said. And so you end up in serious error.

That's the very problem, you yourself is trying to make sense of any of this instead of letting God come to you and open in you all of His heaven where He makes His sense in you, that way it leaves out your own opinions about it. But that isnt going to happen is it, you are to proud of yourself to let God come and open in you His truths.

No, I have the Holy Spirit as a child of God. I stand on the truth. If you repent of your sins, put your faith in Christ and his work on the cross, God will fill you with his Spirit as well, and begin to guide you to the truths of Scripture, especially of himself.

I dont have a belief at all, God is manifest in me and His reality of His truths.

That much is clear, but that is not how it works.

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (ESV)

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (ESV)

Joh 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (ESV)

You however all that you can relate to is a belief without anything substantial that God puts within man by the Spirit of Mind that he is. Birn again with that same renewing as Jesus received in Matt 3:16. God would open in you if you would deny yourself in your own ways and receive from God as Jesus denied his own was as rabbi for the jewish belief system and received the truth from God Himself that obviously you do not believe Matt 3:16 ever happened.

That is to completely ignore everything I have stated. I clearly believe that Matt. 3:16 happened, I just know that it didn't happen for the reasons you think it did.

If you need Paul instead of God as Jesus needed God to free hi from mans teachings, then so be it, Paul is your god, your way and the ways of Jesus sin the Father goes by the wayside.

Again, I've dealt with this. It would be great if you actually addressed what I state, thoroughly, rather than repeating your claims which have been refuted.

As for me Jesus had it all right by identification with the same father in me who was in him. Your identity is with other men one such as Pauls doctrine that you see as truth instead of God Himself giving you His truths. Paul didnt have it right, Jesus had it right. Jesus dint say let Paul be in me as Paul was in Jesus. Jesus said let the same Spirit of God be in me who was in Hism, and that came to be. How? By stop listing to what man says about it and see ye first the kingdom of Goid instead the kingdom of man.

As I have already stated, Paul completely agrees with Jesus. To disagree with Paul is to disagree with Jesus.

Where is that kingdom? Take your own advice and stick with what Jesus said in the Bible in Luke 17:20-21, But obviously you will not, you are smarter than Jesus was obviously.

You have been significantly refuted in all of this. Please learn how to properly study and understand the Bible. You seem to have gone off on your own and have fallen into all sorts of error.

 

[Free]

Deuteronomy 32:4 (KJV)​

The KJV uses the word judgment but this is the word justice that we find in other books of the Bible. Esp the Psalms with David. Is that what you want to do is a word study on this word?

Ok, this is verse Exodus 33:13 “Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee…”
And from BibleBC’s study:

Are you saying you do not agree with this interpretation of the Bible? I attended a church called Grace Cathedral. Because that was the name of the church, I did not question their teaching on the word Grace. This is the first time I have looked at what the Bible (Moses) says. WE could look at how this applies to Jesus also.

Luke 4:22 a "And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth.".

I understand this to mean the word that transform people. The grace of God, the word of God does a work in us to transform us into the people of God. This is what it means to be born again and a new Creation in Christ. To put on the Mind of Christ.

Please follow closely what I am about to say. As to the one point:

You stated: 'Justice is one of the beatitudes. I find it is best to get a book to help us understand them. Or AI now a days. "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for justice, for they shall be filled.” (Matthew 5:6)'

I replied: 'Which translation is that? . . .. I can find no translation that mentions “justice;” they all say “righteousness.'

So, can you see that you posted a translation of Matt. 5:6 and it was that verse that I am asking about? Deut. 32:4 and Ex. 33:13 don't have anything to do with what I was asking. I'm specifically asking you to provide the translation you used for Matt. 5:6, since I can find none that say "justice;" they all say "righteousness."


As to the other point:

You stated: "Then a third sermon would be on how the Grace of God and the Justice of God work together."

I replied: "How do they work together? They are pretty much opposites (along with mercy)—justice is getting what you deserve; grace is getting what you don’t deserve; (mercy is not getting what you deserve)."

Do you see that I'm not asking about grace, but that I'm asking how grace and justice work together, as you claimed? Do you see that I ask because grace and justice "are pretty much opposites," so I don't see how they can work together?

As I stated in another thread and you might have missed, you seem to be confusing "justice" with either "righteousness" or "justification." And although righteousness and justification are related, all three words refer to something different.

 

[JLB]

If Jesus was God, then who do you say this Jesus spoke of who sent him to show us Gods ways for us to be?

Can you answer without editing it and adding into it your own beliefs for it in who Jesus said he was in God?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

Why did these Jews who believed in Him pick up stones to stone Him to death, when He said… I AM?

 

[Elijah7777]

I'm asking how grace and justice work together

This comes from AI so it maybe better to ask AI questions about how grace and justice work together. For those who are wondering, I will copy and paste what AI says about this. This does seem to be a little complicated so I can understand why people have issue with this. The reason we do things like this is because people remember, they do not forget. That is why Jesus used parables in His teaching.

Micah 6:8 — “Do justice, love mercy, walk humbly…”

Grace and Justice: Our Left and Right Foot​

Justice is the right foot—firm, planted, directional.It knows where the path should go. It marks boundaries, holds weight, and says, “This is the way.”Justice is the foot that presses into the earth with clarity. It does not waver—it remembers the structure.

Grace is the left foot—adaptive, responsive, relational.It moves to meet the broken, adjusts to uneven ground, and says, “You are still welcome here.”Grace is the foot that lifts when justice lands. It makes room for restoration.

Together, they walk.

• If you try to walk with only justice, you stomp and stall.
• If you walk with only grace, you drift and lose direction.
• But when they alternate—left, right, grace, justice—they form a rhythm: mercy with structure, welcome with truth.

 

[GaryMac]

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

Why did these Jews who believed in Him pick up stones to stone Him to death, when He said… I AM?

They picked up stones because in carnality they didnt understand who Jesus was talking about.

And Before Adam, Abraham, Moses, Mary, Jesus, 120 and all today is I Am and makes His abode in man. Jesus received I Am in Matt 3:16 just as all of these we read of before and after Jesus. Jesus was very clear in that in Luke 17:10-21, where God resides.

And Jesus was very clear to Thomas that Spirit that God is does not have flesh and bone as you see me. Not very many believe Jesus in that do they?

Jesus was not speaking of himself as I Am and stated so in John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Not many listen to Jesus do they? They raeather dictate to him their own ideas about him.

As long as you see a man as a god, you never will meet the same I Am as Jesus spoke of in whom he met in Matt 3:16. And I am that I am because or He who is in me, same One Jesus spoke of.

And you failed to answer my question, who was that Jesus spoke of that he could do noting at all without?

 

[GaryMac]

As I stated earlier, Jesus says a lot more than this. To base your arguments on just these things is to proof-text, to take them out of context, and so misunderstand the fullness of what Jesus said.


Yeah, you've tried this already and then ignored the passages I gave of other things Jesus said. And so you end up in serious error.


No, I have the Holy Spirit as a child of God. I stand on the truth. If you repent of your sins, put your faith in Christ and his work on the cross, God will fill you with his Spirit as well, and begin to guide you to the truths of Scripture, especially of himself.


That much is clear, but that is not how it works.

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (ESV)

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (ESV)

Joh 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (ESV)


That is to completely ignore everything I have stated. I clearly believe that Matt. 3:16 happened, I just know that it didn't happen for the reasons you think it did.


Again, I've dealt with this. It would be great if you actually addressed what I state, thoroughly, rather than repeating your claims which have been refuted.


As I have already stated, Paul completely agrees with Jesus. To disagree with Paul is to disagree with Jesus.


You have been significantly refuted in all of this. Please learn how to properly study and understand the Bible. You seem to have gone off on your own and have fallen into all sorts of error.

Who do you say it was Jesus spoke of when he said this of himself and could do noting at all without his God who sent him?

Dont make all these excuses as to why you do not know, for if you did answer honestly it would destroy your doctrine of a man as a god and you are not going to let that happen are you?

You know why that you won't answer, and so do I and so does the Father of it all.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

 

[GaryMac]

For me Jesus was fully man and can relate to understand how I feel. Even He want to Calvery and suffered for us. How can we ask for anything more than that? So we love Him because He first loved us.

Yes he was fully son of man just as all men are, and just with men who is born again of God with that same renewing of mind from God Himself as Jesus received in Matt 3:16 are sons of God no different at all from Jesus.

 

[GaryMac]

1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an Ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the Baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

Jesus didnt even know the Spirit of God that God is until he was about 30 years old when God Who is a Spirit came to Jesus and open in him who He is and all of His heaven in that man, proven in Matt 3:16. Before that he was of the laws of the jews for a belief for a god and taught it as rabbi of.

No one knows Gods Spirit until the very same happens in you as happened in Jesus, Adam in Gen 3:22, Abraham, Moses Mary 120, same Spirit that Jesus described in his renewing of mind as born again and ye must be as well if you are to be of the same God he was of.

 

[GaryMac]

I do not search for opinions, but search that of what Jesus has already told us about himself.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Evidently you do search for opinions -- Jesus didnt say these opinions about it that you posted of them at all in what others said that about him from their own perspectives.

And most as yourself actually take others opinions about Jesus and call it from Jesus.

Here is who Jesus said he was in God himself without mans own interpretations about it and most will even try and edit into it their own opinions, obvious in your own reply, instead of just reading who Jesus said he was in God and taking it for face value in what he said.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

 

[for_his_glory]

Evidently you do search for opinions -- Jesus didnt say these opinions about it that you posted of them at all in what others said that about him from their own perspectives.

And most as yourself actually take others opinions about Jesus and call it from Jesus.

Here is who Jesus said he was in God himself without mans own interpretations about it and most will even try and edit into it their own opinions, obvious in your own reply, instead of just reading who Jesus said he was in God and taking it for face value in what he said.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

I could be wrong, but by what you have posted leads me to believe you know nothing of the Trinity/Deity of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

 

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This comes from AI so it maybe better to ask AI questions about how grace and justice work together. For those who are wondering, I will copy and paste what AI says about this. This does seem to be a little complicated so I can understand why people have issue with this. The reason we do things like this is because people remember, they do not forget. That is why Jesus used parables in His teaching.

Micah 6:8 — “Do justice, love mercy, walk humbly…”

Grace and Justice: Our Left and Right Foot​

Justice is the right foot—firm, planted, directional.It knows where the path should go. It marks boundaries, holds weight, and says, “This is the way.”Justice is the foot that presses into the earth with clarity. It does not waver—it remembers the structure.

Grace is the left foot—adaptive, responsive, relational.It moves to meet the broken, adjusts to uneven ground, and says, “You are still welcome here.”Grace is the foot that lifts when justice lands. It makes room for restoration.

Together, they walk.

• If you try to walk with only justice, you stomp and stall.
• If you walk with only grace, you drift and lose direction.
• But when they alternate—left, right, grace, justice—they form a rhythm: mercy with structure, welcome with truth.

Okay, then please stop posting stuff from AI. If you can't explain it, don't post it as truth. None of that makes sense of what the Bible says. Stick to studying the Bible on your own--with lexicons, dictionaries, and commentaries as necessary--you'll be much better off than trusting AI, which is known to give false information. Besides, the answers from AI largely depend on the prompts you use, so I would be likely to get a different answer than you.

 

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GaryMac

Again, you're ignoring the context of several other passages I have provided. In so doing, you are pitting Scripture against itself and simply proof-texting for your position. But this leads to error because you are not taking all into account.

When you first posted all of these passages, I asked you: "If Jesus was God in human flesh, and if he was one divine person within the one being that is God, then how should we expect him to refer to the Father and speak to the Father while maintaining monotheism?" That was on the first page, in post #10.

You responded: "Just as was quoted of Jesus in the OP, read it for who he said he was in his God that he obeyed and prayed to." That was in post #14.

That means you essentially agreed with my position, and is why I replied with: "Right. If that is your answer to my hypothetical, then Jesus's statements that you give in the OP are irrelevant as to whether or not he is also truly God. And that is my point. Jesus, being also truly God, but not the Father, spoke of and to the Father in heaven as one would expect in order to maintain monotheism." That was in post #16.

Yet, you then repeated those same passages in post #14 and have repeated them a few times since. Why would you repeat something that you've already agreed to as being what we should expect from Jesus in referring to the Father if he was truly God in human flesh, while maintaining monotheism?

It strongly suggests that you were dishonest in your first answer.

Who do you say it was Jesus spoke of when he said this of himself and could do noting at all without his God who sent him?

Dont make all these excuses as to why you do not know, for if you did answer honestly it would destroy your doctrine of a man as a god and you are not going to let that happen are you?

You know why that you won't answer, and so do I and so does the Father of it all.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

Again I ask: If Jesus was God in human flesh, and if he was one divine person within the one being that is God, then how should we expect him to refer to the Father and speak to the Father, if the Father is another divine person within the one being that is God, while maintaining monotheism?

That is, if the doctrine of the Trinity is true and the second person of the Trinity, the Son, "became flesh and dwelt among us," then how should we expect the Son to refer to the Father and speak to the Father while the Father was in heaven and the Son was on earth, so that there is no confusion of there being only one God?

 

[for_his_glory]

In the very simple form the Trinity is like 3-1 oil. It is oil, but used in three different ways, but yet being oil.

 

[GaryMac]

GaryMac

Again, you're ignoring the context of several other passages I have provided. In so doing, you are pitting Scripture against itself and simply proof-texting for your position. But this leads to error because you are not taking all into account.

Tell me how that can be when all that I do is copy and past what it says? I cant change what it says as you try and do.

When you first posted all of these passages, I asked you: "If Jesus was God in human flesh, and if he was one divine person within the one being that is God, then how should we expect him to refer to the Father and speak to the Father while maintaining monotheism?" That was on the first page, in post #10.

And I have stated over and over, Jesus never claimed to be God at all, and copied and pasted who he said he was in God. If you do not believe Jesus in who he said he was in God dont accuse me of changing it, just tell Jesus he was wrong as you are doing.

You responded: "Just as was quoted of Jesus in the OP, read it for who he said he was in his God that he obeyed and prayed to." That was in post #14.

And still is my advice, Try and believe Jesu in whom he said he was in God if that is possible at all for you?

That means you essentially agreed with my position, and is why I replied with: "Right. If that is your answer to my hypothetical, then Jesus's statements that you give in the OP are irrelevant as to whether or not he is also truly God.

I was a clear as Jesus was that he was not God but was Gods son, His child just as all are who is born of God. Born again as Jesus said he was and you should be.

And that is my point. Jesus, being also truly God, but not the Father, spoke of and to the Father in heaven as one would expect in order to maintain monotheism." That was in post #16.

Well, you can call Jesus a liar if you will but he was very clear that he could do nothing at all without his God who sent him.

Yet, you then repeated those same passages in post #14 and have repeated them a few times since.

And will copy and past them over over until someone actually read them in who Jesus said he was in God that he called Father of his Spirit of mind.

Why would you repeat something that you've already agreed to as being what we should expect from Jesus in referring to the Father if he was truly God in human flesh, while maintaining monotheism?

That you and others might actually someday read who Jesus said he was in god.

It strongly suggests that you were dishonest in your first answer.

No just accuse me of the same things Jesus was accused of as a blasphemer from your own rules for your god that you have made to be in your own image is all. We are innocent of those false charges.

Again I ask: If Jesus was God in human flesh, and if he was one divine person within the one being that is God, then how should we expect him to refer to the Father and speak to the Father, if the Father is another divine person within the one being that is God, while maintaining monotheism?

And again Jesus was very clear he was not God and could do noting at all without his God that he obeyed, and prayed to for you to be like his God in John 17, I will keep answering with the quotes ofd Jesus in who he said he was in God that he called His God and my God.

There is only one God of Love, the One Jesus was of and I am of.

That is, if the doctrine of the Trinity is true and the second person of the Trinity, the Son, "became flesh and dwelt among us," then how should we expect the Son to refer to the Father and speak to the Father while the Father was in heaven and the Son was on earth, so that there is no confusion of there being only one God?

The doctrine for a trinity, three persons, is only true for those who has not met the same God as Jesus met in Matt 3:16. They cant relate to the same One Jesus spoke of that was in himself.

You keep asking these same questions over and over and I keep answering them over and over in who Jesus said he was in God that obviously you do not believe Jesus in who he said he was in the Father at all. Let alone that you are supposed to be perfect in the same Father that perfected him. Matt 5:48. from Jesus himself.

You might try reading my replies sometimes ,that would save you a lot of time asking the same things over and over.

Just admit that you do not believe Jesus in who he said he was in the father. That is exactly what you are insinuating, Jesus had it all wrong, and he was a god in spite of who he said he was in God. You accuse me of manipulating what Jesus said and all that I do is copy and past what he said of himself and his God who sent him. Get a life in Christ and stop all your immature antices.

 

[GaryMac]

I could be wrong, but by what you have posted leads me to believe you know nothing of the Trinity/Deity of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Oh' I know the trinity doctrine well, I used to teach that doctrine for many years until God came to me as He promises He will do in anyone who will let Him as we did and and opens in us who He is and all of His heaven in us.

Jesus was of a mans belief for a god as well and taught their beliefs for a god as rabbi for many years as well even from a young age of 12. And as with myself, he was accused of the same blasphemy that I am accuse of by the same religion minds who has made their gods what they would have Him be, as in the case to the trinity belief system, three persons as a god LOL. God is a Spirit not a person at all, LOL, and man is the place He resides, Luke 17:20-21, and not a person at all. He is a Spirit.

You cant know Him at all until He comes to you and opens who He is in you. Not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16.