Im slightly skeptical about Jesus?

[for_his_glory]

There is no good skepticism about Jesus Christ, and the same answer that Christ gave to the skeptics applies, if they do not believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, they shall die in their sins. ( doubt and you are damned.)

Why are you being so cynical in your replies to someone who is seeking to know Christ being a very young Christian without much knowledge yet. All of us are seeking truth and since faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God so does the answers to all our questions as the Holy Spirit also uses others to help teach all of us. I truly believe none of us has all the answers, but together we can find them through the word of God as we share scriptures with each other and also share out witness of Christ as we testify of Him to others.

When someone bids you a good day then it's time to walk away. You need to go back and read the Community Message as this is what this forum is all about.

 

[for_his_glory]

That also is why I am on the forums, because Gods truth has swept away all refuge of lies.


Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

We either follow the doctrines of Christ for what He has already taught us that is written in the Bible or we follow the doctrines of man who unaware are teaching the doctrines of the devil as we find both teachings in any Christian forum.

1Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

1John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1John 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is no good skepticism about Jesus Christ, and the same answer that Christ gave to the skeptics applies, if they do not believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, they shall die in their sins. ( doubt and you are damned.)

Sir you are being rude and condescending to this new member as many of us where skeptical at one time until we started seeking after Jesus wanting to know Him as what PrimFinallyFoundGod! is doing within this thread. She has politely ask you not to reply to her as she bid you a good evening in a past post as all you are doing is upsetting her being no help. If this continues you will be banned from this thread.

 

[gordon777]

I know what this thread is about Gordon777.
I'm trying to be nice and not give an official warning.
Please pay attention to what staff asks you -
Persons can doubt Jesus --- this does not mean they don't love Him and are going through something or other.
Castigating them will be of no help and is not very Christianly.
I'm asking Hidden In Him not to reply to your last 3 posts.
We're in the Theology Forum, let's be considerate, serious, and follow the TOS rules.
Please see TOS 1.1 and 1.3
Thanks.

Staff decide that doubting Jesus means loving Him ?

That is OK for yourself, to believe such a thing, but why would you think your own theological beliefs are part of the rules, to agree with ?

Please do quote that particular rule for the forum, if it is not too rude to ask for.



Castigating ( severe punishment, reproof, or criticism) is now what you are labelling me as doing.

The Holy Scriptures, ( which I have referenced in all I spoke, and even yourself admitted I am good in theology) cannot criticise, but they can reprove, and if people do not love Gods word, of course it would come off criticising, instead of being welcomed.

As it happens, that is the testimony God gave us of the Hebrews, they entreated that the Word should not be spoken to them any more. ( for they could not endure that which was commanded by the Lord.)


Hebrews 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For THEY COULD NOT ENDURE THAT WHICH WAS COMMANDED, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:


Of course the same has occurred right now, ( by those who say they are Christian)

It is commandment from the Lord, to reprove and rebuke and exhort with all long suffering and doctrine, for this time that has come when they CANNOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE, and turn unto fables instead.


2 Timothy 4:I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when THEY WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.



Yes we are in the theology section, and I did what I can do, be good in theology. ( it is not being inconsiderate.)



Psalm 141:5 Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities.

Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.


Again it is commanded, ( Apostle Paul gives commandments from the Lord.) to exhort young men to be sober minded, and for us to show a pattern of good works in doctrine, without being corrupt, being sincere, with sound speech, so they who are contrary, ( in a thread about being skeptical about Jesus) cannot condemn you in all things, so they may be ashamed, as they will have no evil thing to say of you. ( when ashamed, and accept the reproof/rebukes)

This is teaching the grace of God who brought us salvation, teaching us to deny ungodliness ( not deny Christ, but to deny ourselves instead) we should live soberly ( exhort the young men to be sober minded) looking for the blessed hope of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, to redeem us from all iniquity ( iniquity is doubt, and we die in those sins. for not believing in Jesus, as told to Israel. John 8:24)

These things we are to speak and exhort, and REBUKE WITH ALL AUTHORITY, letting no man despise us.



1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Titus 2:6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

 

[gordon777]

Is it not the children of God on Christian forums that witness and testify of Christ Jesus that helps those who are seeking like PrimFinallyFoundGod! and many others that come wanting to know who Christ is!!!

If the Disciples did not give their witness and testify of Christ then none of us would have any hope. Please think about that.

As I said, and as you are hardly undoing, if we thirst for righteousness we seek Christ who fills us, not people who cannot fill us.

We can only enter by the door into the sheepfold, if we climb up some other way ( through man) we are a thief and a robber.

Jesus Christ alone is the door, by Him we enter in to be saved, to go in and out and find pasture ( hungering and thirsting for righteousness we are filled)

But the thief comes only to steal and to kill and to destroy ( for us to climb up some other way) but Jesus came to give us life, and to give us life abundantly. ( if we hunger and thirsted after righteousness from Christ, the door, we will be filled.)


Ezekiel 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.


John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

 

[gordon777]

Is it not the Holy Spirit that works through others to bring us all into His truth, but yet it is up to each of us to seek truth as the Spirit of God gives to everyone who ask for it. If what one speaks does not line up with scripture then turn away from their deceitfulness.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

That of course is NOT what scripture informs us about turning away from people trying to deceive ( seduce us.)

The Spirit of God does NOT give to everyone who asks for it, BUT, the Spirit of God gives to everyone who knows how to ask for it. ( in faith, without wavering/.doubting.)

See exactly that revealed by Christ to the Jews of Israel, they asked how long he would let them remain in DOUBT ?

But Jesus answered them, He told them and they believed not, the works Christ did ( rising from the dead) bear witness that the Father sent the Son, and they believe not ( doubt) because they are NOT HIS SHEEP. His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. ( the sheep of Christ, know how to ask for the Spirit without doubt, through believing in the testimonies of Christ.)



John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[gordon777]

Sir you are being rude and condescending to this new member as many of us where skeptical at one time until we started seeking after Jesus wanting to know Him as what PrimFinallyFoundGod! is doing within this thread. She has politely ask you not to reply to her as she bid you a good evening in a past post as all you are doing is upsetting her being no help. If this continues you will be banned from this thread.

gordon777 said: There is no good skepticism about Jesus Christ, and the same answer that Christ gave to the skeptics applies, if they do not believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, they shall die in their sins. ( doubt and you are damned.)



Many are skeptical, such as the Jews example, and Jesus told them they shall die in their sins for not believing that He is He.

Jesus was asked, are there few to be saved ?

Jesus told us how to come to know Him, by entering in by the straight gate ( by Jesus Christ and not by deceiving spirits) for many seek to enter and shall not be able. ( as many hear those false prophet teachers. Matthew 24:11. 1 John 4:1)

Jesus answers all who are workers of iniquity ( iniquity is ungodliness/unrighteousness, caused by doubt) are told, that Jesus never knew therm.


John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[gordon777]

Although a person can be banned, people who accuse others ( falsely) cannot accept reproof. ( THE TIME CAME WHEN THIS HAD TO BE FULFILLED BELOW.)


Proverbs 15:10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that IN THE LAST DAYS PERILOUS TIMES SHALL COME.
2 For MEN SHALL BE LOVERS OF THEIR OWN SELVES, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, DISOBEDIENT TO PARENTS, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, FALSE ACCUSERS, incontinent, fierce, DESPISERS OF THOSE THAT ARE GOOD,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 HAVING A FORM OF GODLINESS, but DENTYING THE POWER THEREOF: from such turn away.

 

[gordon777]

Why are you being so cynical in your replies to someone who is seeking to know Christ being a very young Christian without much knowledge yet. All of us are seeking truth and since faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God so does the answers to all our questions as the Holy Spirit also uses others to help teach all of us. I truly believe none of us has all the answers, but together we can find them through the word of God as we share scriptures with each other and also share out witness of Christ as we testify of Him to others.

When someone bids you a good day then it's time to walk away. You need to go back and read the Community Message as this is what this forum is all about.

Yes the forum displays seeking of truth, we see many agreed ( to the scriptures) to how we ask in faith, and not pray stating we doubt, to then receive from God, didn't we.

Acknowledgment is godliness, confession is salvation, it is not the hearing that many have, because of hearing others view points, instead of knowing how much God has shown we are to never do that. ( never trust in man) and then God reveals all to us through His Spirit.


Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

 

[gordon777]

Anyone on the forum that is able to see Gods words being fulfilled, right now ? ( which is perfect, to answer how we do not have skepticism about Jesus Christ.)

 

[Highway54]

Its the one thing that doesn't seem to automatically click with me with Christianity. I'll explain...

I'm scared that Jesus could simply of been a prophet and good example person.

Why? Because in Christianity you should pray directly to Jesus. What if in doing that I'm not getting through to God and instead committing idoltry?

Its very hard to imagine some of the stories told in the bible happening especially Jesus rising again.

I dont wish to offend anybody at all. Im a young adult exploring her faith. I lean more towards Christianity in that everything just clicks and feels right. It's just Jesus. I worry about unintentionally going against God.

I thought I had responded to this earlier Prim, but could not find it. There were more prophecies about Jesus than anyone else, check these out Maam:
Born of the tribe of Judah
Genesis 49:10
Luke 3:23-33
Born of a virgin
Isaiah 7:14
Matthew 1:18-25
Descended from King David
Isaiah 9:7
Matthew 1:1, 6-17
Declared by Jehovah to be his Son
Psalm 2:7
Matthew 3:17
Not believed in
Isaiah 53:1
John 12:37, 38
Entered Jerusalem riding a donkey
Zechariah 9:9
Matthew 21:1-9
Betrayed by a close associate
Psalm 41:9
John 13:18, 21-30
Betrayed for 30 silver pieces
Zechariah 11:12
Matthew 26:14-16
Silent before his accusers
Isaiah 53:7
Matthew 27:11-14
Lots cast for his garments
Psalm 22:18
Matthew 27:35
Mocked while on the stake
Psalm 22:7, 8
Matthew 27:39-43
None of his bones broken
Psalm 34:20
John 19:33, 36
Buried with the rich
Isaiah 53:9
Matthew 27:57-60
Raised before corruption
Psalm 16:10
Acts 2:24, 27
Exalted to God’s right hand
Psalm 110:1
Acts 7:56

 

[GodsGrace]

Anyone on the forum that is able to see Gods words being fulfilled, right now ? ( which is perfect, to answer how we do not have skepticism about Jesus Christ.)

TIME FOR A FEW DAYS OFF FROM THIS THREAD.

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST ON THIS THREAD.
IF NECESSARY TAKE TO TALK WITH STAFF.

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

Many times I have prayed and asked the Lord to clarify something, and the first thing the next morning I find my answer. Either in scripture, or I'll click on a youtube video that looks interesting to me and it starts talking about what I asked! Other times I have even signed in to the forum here and the thread which has my answer in it is right on top, lol! So He answers me different ways, even has through people at times. In fairness, just in case, I should say that there has been several questions at least that I have prayed about before that the Lord remained silent about it and I did not get an answer.

One other time I had been praying quite a bit and neglecting my reading of the word and I asked a clarification question one time and I didn't get an answer. No videos answered it, no thread here were talking about that. Nothing. So I continued to pray about it every night and still got no answer. Then like 2 weeks go by and I realize, hey I haven't been reading much, I better do me some reading in the word. So I picked up my bible and opened it up, and it opened to the exact page that I needed and my eyes were drawn right to the answer of the question I asked, Lol! I wasn't looking for the answer right then, I was just gonna read some, and there it was.

So when the Lord answers you, it might not be in the way that you expect it to be. You have to see the answer and understand that it was from God. He might even answer you a totally different way that He does me. If you're not watching for it you might miss it!

Aha! This is what I was looking for. I remember what you said here and kept my eyes open. I'd like to share the result of praying about my fear and doubt with you: https://christianforums.net/threads/the-holy-spirit-is-with-me-3.96106/#post-1752531

You were absolutely right.

I want to say thank you again for giving me so much useful advice. I am a much stronger believer, I'm overwhelmed but in a good way and I feel so much more hopeful about things <3

 

[BB1956]

You do know that Jesus is God .

He can be worshipped. The Trinity is clear

I've never found the trinity Doctrine in the scriptures. Every church seems to have their definition of the trinity, well actually, it seems that every individual who believes in the Trinity seems to have their definition of the Trinity, which they say is in scripture. But when I read the scriptures I find that the definition people give me of the Trinity that they say they believe in and is in scripture, I find it nowhere in the scriptures.
It seems to me though that if this doctrine that people keep saying you have to believe to truly be a Christian, I ask myself, why is it I find the Trinity doctrine nowhere in scripture?

Also I've never found anywhere in scripture where it says Jesus is God. I've seen in scripture where it says that Jesus is, the Son of God, Jesus was the word of God, God was in Christ, but nowhere in scripture does it say that Jesus was God or Jesus is God.

Those who believe in the Trinity teach that all three are God, the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God and they place equality onto the Son and the Holy Spirit. What mean is they say that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are equal.

So I'm guessing if anyone denies that the Son of God is true God, just as the Father is true God, having all power, knowing all things, and equal to the Father he isn't a Christian according to these people who believe in the Trinity.

The problem I'm having is that the scriptures themselves don't say any of these things. Those who believe in the Trinity simply interpret the scriptures to mean what they believe. Now I'm certainly not going to tell people they don't have the right to interpret the scriptures as they choose. I believe everyone has that right. It doesn't mean I will necessarily agree with what a person chooses to believe about the scriptures though.

Myself I believe that when God inspired men to write down his thoughts, I honestly believe God could inspire them to write down his thoughts accurately. I also believe that scripture interprets itself because interpretation belongs to God.

For instance when in scripture it is written that Jesus says he has a Father and God who is his apostles and disciples Father and God, I believe what Jesus said is an accurate statement, I honestly don't believe it needs any interpretation as though God inspire men to write his thoughts down inaccurately in any way or any sense. I also believe that the God that the Jews believed in was YHWH. So when Jesus said he has a Father and God who is his apostles and disciples Father and God he was saying his Father and God is YHWH so that means that the Father and God of Jesus apostles and disciples is YHWH.

People certainly have the right to disagree with me, but they will not convince me that it's impossible for God to inspire men to write down his thoughts accurately. So like I said, when Jesus said that he has a Father and God that is his apostles and disciples Father and God, that's what I'm going to believe. What others choose to believe is their choice.

 

[jasonc]

I've never found the trinity Doctrine in the scriptures. Every church seems to have their definition of the trinity, well actually, it seems that every individual who believes in the Trinity seems to have their definition of the Trinity, which they say is in scripture. But when I read the scriptures I find that the definition people give me of the Trinity that they say they believe in and is in scripture, I find it nowhere in the scriptures.
It seems to me though that if this doctrine that people keep saying you have to believe to truly be a Christian, I ask myself, why is it I find the Trinity doctrine nowhere in scripture?

Also I've never found anywhere in scripture where it says Jesus is God. I've seen in scripture where it says that Jesus is, the Son of God, Jesus was the word of God, God was in Christ, but nowhere in scripture does it say that Jesus was God or Jesus is God.

Those who believe in the Trinity teach that all three are God, the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God and they place equality onto the Son and the Holy Spirit. What mean is they say that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are equal.

So I'm guessing if anyone denies that the Son of God is true God, just as the Father is true God, having all power, knowing all things, and equal to the Father he isn't a Christian according to these people who believe in the Trinity.

The problem I'm having is that the scriptures themselves don't say any of these things. Those who believe in the Trinity simply interpret the scriptures to mean what they believe. Now I'm certainly not going to tell people they don't have the right to interpret the scriptures as they choose. I believe everyone has that right. It doesn't mean I will necessarily agree with what a person chooses to believe about the scriptures though.

Myself I believe that when God inspired men to write down his thoughts, I honestly believe God could inspire them to write down his thoughts accurately. I also believe that scripture interprets itself because interpretation belongs to God.

For instance when in scripture it is written that Jesus says he has a Father and God who is his apostles and disciples Father and God, I believe what Jesus said is an accurate statement, I honestly don't believe it needs any interpretation as though God inspire men to write his thoughts down inaccurately in any way or any sense. I also believe that the God that the Jews believed in was YHWH. So when Jesus said he has a Father and God who is his apostles and disciples Father and God he was saying his Father and God is YHWH so that means that the Father and God of Jesus apostles and disciples is YHWH.

People certainly have the right to disagree with me, but they will not convince me that it's impossible for God to inspire men to write down his thoughts accurately. So like I said, when Jesus said that he has a Father and God that is his apostles and disciples Father and God, that's what I'm going to believe. What others choose to believe is their choice.

No man hath seen the father nor his shape ?

Jesus was that Rock that followed Moses.

Thou shalt not bow before any other molten image .
John fell at the vision of Jesus as though dead .

If Jesus wasn't God well then John sinned and Moses .

Also John one

 

[BB1956]

No man hath seen the father nor his shape ?

Jesus was that Rock that followed Moses.

Thou shalt not bow before any other molten image .
John fell at the vision of Jesus as though dead .

If Jesus wasn't God well then John sinned and Moses .

Also John one

John and Moses sinned because you say so? I disagree.
As I said I haven't found the Trinity doctrine in the scriptures or found any scriptures that say Jesus is God.
What I've noticed however is people want me to believe Jesus is a liar when he says that his Father and God is his apostles Father and God.

 

[jasonc]

John and Moses sinned because you say so? I disagree.
As I said I haven't found the Trinity doctrine in the scriptures or found any scriptures that say Jesus is God.
What I've noticed however is people want me to believe Jesus is a liar when he says that his Father and God is his apostles Father and God.

Because they actually saw Jesus.
The visions of Ezekiel ,Moses and Isiah and Daniel and John all the Lord Jesus in the throne .

No man hath seen the father or his shape.

The last book is called the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ .

It's visions aren't of the Father .yet you claim that Jesus isn't God ?
Who did Moses actually see when the Lord revealed himself ?

When Daniel and Ezekiel saw their visions what God was that ?

In the beginning was the word ,the word was God and the word with God

And the Word became flesh and beheld him not .

Who became flesh ?

 

[BB1956]

Because they actually saw Jesus.
The visions of Ezekiel ,Moses and Isiah and Daniel and John all the Lord Jesus in the throne .

No man hath seen the father or his shape.

The last book is called the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ .

It's visions aren't of the Father .yet you claim that Jesus isn't God ?
Who did Moses actually see when the Lord revealed himself ?

When Daniel and Ezekiel saw their visions what God was that ?

In the beginning was the word ,the word was God and the word with God

And the Word became flesh and beheld him not .

Who became flesh ?

I know that in the book of Revelation, it says that this revelation was given to Jesus by God. So if Jesus is God as you say, why does the scriptures say that it was God who revealed this revelation to Jesus. I've already texted that no one is going to convince me that it's impossible for God to inspire men to write down his thoughts accurately. So since the scriptures say it was God who revealed this revelation to Jesus, that's what I'm going to believe. That's clear proof that Jesus isn't God. God has no one who reveals anything to him. I don't care what you think of me or have say about me, for believing that. Those who try to say something differently of what is written down are just trying to teach people that God isn't capable of having his thoughts written down clearly and accurately.

 

[BB1956]

Because they actually saw Jesus.
The visions of Ezekiel ,Moses and Isiah and Daniel and John all the Lord Jesus in the throne .

No man hath seen the father or his shape.

The last book is called the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ .

It's visions aren't of the Father .yet you claim that Jesus isn't God ?
Who did Moses actually see when the Lord revealed himself ?

When Daniel and Ezekiel saw their visions what God was that ?

In the beginning was the word ,the word was God and the word with God

And the Word became flesh and beheld him not .

Who became flesh ?

I understand that John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God."

I also understand that those who believe in the Trinity believe Jesus to be God so they believe God to be the Word. So when the scriptures say the Word became flesh/human they believe it was God who became flesh/human.

The problem I have with that is that they're denying that it is the only begotten Son of God who is the Word. So those who say that it was God who became flesh/human are denying it was the only begotten Son of God who became flesh/human.

I believe what John said, when he said the Word was with God in the beginning. I believe it was the only begotten Son of God who was with God in the beginning. I believe it's the only begotten Son of God who is the Word. So when the scriptures say the word became flesh/human I believe it was the only begotten Son of God who became flesh/human.
The scriptures teach us that it's those who deny that it was the only begotten Son of God who came to the world of mankind and died for mankind and was resurrected by God three days after his death are the ones who are not getting eternal life.

So I'm going to believe the Word is the only begotten Son of God. So when the scriptures say the Word became flesh/human I believe it was the only begotten Son of God who became flesh/human.

 

[Butch5]

Its the one thing that doesn't seem to automatically click with me with Christianity. I'll explain...

I'm scared that Jesus could simply of been a prophet and good example person.

Why? Because in Christianity you should pray directly to Jesus. What if in doing that I'm not getting through to God and instead committing idoltry?

Its very hard to imagine some of the stories told in the bible happening especially Jesus rising again.

I dont wish to offend anybody at all. Im a young adult exploring her faith. I lean more towards Christianity in that everything just clicks and feels right. It's just Jesus. I worry about unintentionally going against God.

There are a lot of doctrines that Christians hold that aren't Biblical. The Bible tells us to to pray to the Father, not Jesus.