Imminent Destruction of the United States

[Count Duckula]

This is not something I have recognized; could you expound on this?

Matthew 18:21-22 King James Version (KJV)
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

 

[Truth7t7]

How does this compare to the little horn rising, and 3 being plucked out by the roots?

I believe the ten kings will rise to power with the antichrist who is of Jewish, Hebrew, decent, as the return of the lost ten tribes of Israel.

You will note that these ten Kings come from "One Kingdom", I believe to be "Israel" and the revived ten lost tribes. I believe Daniel 7:24-25 is the same parallel reading as Revelation 17:12-13 below, as these kings have no power, but are given this power quickly "One Hour" with the beast.

The Antichrist subduing three kings would simply mean that he gained power over these Kings?

Daniel 7:24-25KJV
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Revelation 17:12-13KJV
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

 

[Truth7t7]

imo God of his fathers could be any group - an african voodoo tribe has a god of their fathers

there are no caps in the original hebrew or greek so it most likely says god of his fathers

in the passages you quoted we know for sure those people were jews so the Lord God God of their fathers would be YHVH

in Revelation we don't know who the person is so the god of his fathers could be the norse god for all we know

We will disagree, the scripture interprets itself, as "God of his fathers" in all (8) cases mention in scripture pertains to the Jew/Hebrew

 

[Truth7t7]

The great city, not capitalized in scripture, has always been the Holy City of Jerusalem, even though Babylon was a great city before it's destruction by the Persians in 539BC. Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem, but outside the walls of Jerusalem on a hill in Golgatha that was also part of the Roman government in Jerusalem at the time of Christ and crucified Jesus according to their custom.

Rev 17 and 18 speaks of mystery Babylon as it is even a mystery to those today that have no understanding (not directed at you). In Rev 17 the great harlot rides the beast so the harlot can not be both the harlot and the beast. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them as even today these nations are controlled by the Roman Empire, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13, 17, that would love nothing less then to escape this ruling power.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

In Rev 17, 18, 19 the great harlot (son of perdition/last antichrist) is described and then destroyed along with the beast being the existing Roman Empire. The earth bewails their destruction as they were made rich by the merchandise of this woman. In the NT the term woman is used as a symbol for a church. The woman mentioned in Rev 12 is the true Church of God as she is carried away into the wilderness and taken care of by God.

This woman in Rev 17 sitting on a scarlet beast is a spiritual harlot as she entered into adulterous alliances with the leaders an kings of every nation around the world including America. Rev 18 describes all these worldly leaders and kings fornicated with her and will bewail her destruction. In her was found the blood of the prophets and the saints and all that were slain on earth.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Just for one, you have the "seven mountains" representing nations, as scripture clearly identify these as physical geography and not nations.

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

 

[Count Duckula]

As the Roman prince, Titus Flavius ended sacrifice with the destruction of the temple. He became a prince in a sense as his father became the emperor.

As far as Roman Jews, this could have some relevance:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/10/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

Possibly some of the Roman Catholics under this reasoning could have come from the same stock. Once again the Flavius Royal family has first century converts to Judaism and Christianity.

To add, Tiberius Alexander, a member of the ruling family of Alexandria Egypt, was Titus's main advisor in the Siege of Jerusalem, was a Jew.

 

[JLB]

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Yes the ten lost tribes will have individual leaders, kings.

So you believe the “10 Lost Tribes” will rule the world with the antichrist?


JLB

 

[JLB]

Can you explain how Rome is guilty of the "Prophets" blood?

Which prophets?

You mean like John the Baptist?

 

[JLB]

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Yes the ten lost tribes will have individual leaders, kings.

Time for you to answer.


8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:8


Can you please point out in this verse that you cited, in which you have claimed that I have disregarded, where the word "Babylon" is mentioned?



JLB

 

[JLB]

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Jerusalem is the fulfillment of Revelation 17:18, simple, as the Antichrist from Jerusalem will reign over the Kings on the earth.

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Antichrist is A Roman “prince”.


The people who destroyed the city of Jerusalem.



JLB

 

[Truth7t7]

Which prophets?

You mean like John the Baptist?

JLB I believe you are sincere, how can you deny Matthew 23:30-37 clearly describing Jerusalem being the fulfillment of Revelation 18:24, by the very word's of Jesus Christ himself?

Abel to Zacharias, John the Baptist Isn't mentioned.

Revelation 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Matthew 23:30-37KJV
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

 

[Truth7t7]

So you believe the “10 Lost Tribes” will rule the world with the antichrist?


JLB

I believe the ten kings will rise to power with the antichrist who is of Jewish, Hebrew, decent, as the return of the lost ten tribes of Israel.

You will note that these ten Kings come from "One Kingdom", I believe to be "Israel" and the revived ten lost tribes. I believe Daniel 7:24-25 is the same parallel reading as Revelation 17:12-13 below, as these kings have no power, but are given this power quickly "One Hour" with the beast.

The Antichrist subduing three kings would simply mean that he gained power over these Kings?

Daniel 7:24-25KJV
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Revelation 17:12-13KJV
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

 

[Truth7t7]

Time for you to answer.


8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:8


Can you please point out in this verse that you cited, in which you have claimed that I have disregarded, where the word "Babylon" is mentioned?



JLB

The question pertains to Revelation 17:18, that you claim to be Rome or Babylon?

Jerusalem is the fulfillment of Revelation 17:18, simple, as the Antichrist from Jerusalem will reign over the Kings on the earth.

The subject is who/what is "Great City"?

Revelation 11:8 clearly interprets this "Great City" as being "Jerusalem" where Jesus Christ was crucified.

As Revelation 11:8 clearly states, this "Great City" has streets, was Jesus crucified in Rome or Babylon?

"No", he was crucified in Jerusalem, and was led through the streets of Jerusalem to the cross of calvary.

"The Great City" seen below is "Jerusalem"

Scripture Clearly interprets itself.

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 17:18KJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

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[Truth7t7]

Antichrist is A Roman “prince”.


The people who destroyed the city of Jerusalem.



JLB

I disagree, the Antichrist will be a Jewish "King/Leader", who will not regard the God of his fathers, the true Hebrew God, capital "G" diety.

"The God Of His Fathers"

Daniel 11:36-37KJV
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Revelation 13:5-6KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

 

[Razeontherock]

Mt 23:35, who knows what that murder is about?

 

[Truth7t7]

Mt 23:35, who knows what that murder is about?

Revelation 18:24 is fulfilled, Pretty self explanatory, Jerusalem is the Whore, guilty of the Prophets blood and all slain upon the earth, in Matthew 23:30-37 Jesus Christ clearly states so.

 

[JLB]

Antichrist is A Roman “prince”.


The people who destroyed the city of Jerusalem.



JLB

I disagree, the Antichrist will be a Jewish "King/Leader", who will not regard the God of his fathers, the true Hebrew God, capital "G" diety.

"The God Of His Fathers"

Daniel 11:36-37KJV
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Revelation 13:5-6KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Time for you to answer.


8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:8


Can you please point out in this verse that you cited, in which you have claimed that I have disregarded, where the word "Babylon" is mentioned?


This is your downfall. You read into scripture your preconceived idea, brother.

Please answer.

I have answered many of your questions.


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Just for one, you have the "seven mountains" representing nations, as scripture clearly identify these as physical geography and not nations.

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Please show me where I said the seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. I said the seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire.

 

[Truth7t7]

Please show me where I said the seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. I said the seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire.

Please show me in my original statement below that I accuse you making heads into mountains?

Truth7t7 said:
Just for one, you have the "seven mountains" representing nations, as scripture clearly identify these as physical geography and not nations.

 

[for_his_glory]

The scripture clearly teaches that the Antichrist will be a "Jew", how can you deny the presented scripture?

The future "Antichrist" of Daniel will be a "Jew" he will not regard the God of his fathers, the Hebrew God.

Daniel 11:37 below describes the future Antichrist as giving no regard to his father's God, a Hebrew/Jew.

"God of his fathers" is used (8) times in the Holy Bible, and you are looking at all (8) below, all pertaining to the Israel/Hebrew/Jew.

Daniel 11:37
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Genesis 46:1 below establishes "God of his fathers" belonging specifically to "Israel" Hebrew/Jew.

I pray you can see your very clear error?

Genesis 46:1
And Israel took his journey with all that he had, and came to Beersheba, and offered sacrifices unto the God of his father Isaac.

2 Kings 21:22
And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 17:4
But sought to the Lord God of his father, and walked in his commandments, and not after the doings of Israel.

2 Chronicles 21:10
So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

2 Chronicles 28:25
And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.

2 Chronicles 30:19
That prepareth his heart to seek God, the Lord God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary.

2 Chronicles 33:12
And when he was in affliction, he besought the Lord his God, and humbled himself greatly before the God of his fathers,

I already showed you in post #61 that no matter what race or religion you are everyone who has ever been born goes back to the God of Adam as Adam being the first father who birthed all generations up till the return of Christ. False Christ is antichrist who opposes God and His Son Christ Jesus. All four Empires that have existed with the last one still active today was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Rev 17 and 18 is describing MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus and when I saw her I wondered with great admiration, Rev 17:5, 6. Where do you find a Jew within any of these four Empires, nowhere.