Christian Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

In Christianity, Is anybody ever wrong?

Cnkw3

Member
When is it appropriate to tell someone they are wrong or that they are not adhering to truth?

How should one go about doing that? In Christianity, shouldn’t the Bible and ONLY the Bible be our standard for doctrine and practice? 1 pet 4:11. Col 3:17
If someone is practicing doctrine that cannot be found in the NT; Is that wrong? If not, why not?
For example…
You have Baptist and many other Denoms teaching that you MUST tithe if you want to be faithful to God. That is not a NT doctrine; so am I a bad person if I tell you that you are wrong?
You have other Denoms sprinkling babies for baptism. That is not a NT doctrine; so am I wrong if I point that out and tell you that you need to stop and get it right?
 
Remember that we are told that we each stand before our own Master. So when you think about correcting another, can you be sure that the splinter in their eye preventing them from seeing clearly isn’t a log in your own?
 
Remember that we are told that we each stand before our own Master. So when you think about correcting another, can you be sure that the splinter in their eye preventing them from seeing clearly isn’t a log in your own?
Where does it say…..we each stand before our OWN master? I know we each will stand before God in judgment.Rom 14:10
The correction I am focusing on is more doctrinal. I have given a couple of examples but here is another…
Many if not most churches will have you believe and then say some prayer to become a Christian, born again, saved. But that is nowhere taught in the New Testament. If it was we should see example after example of it being practiced but we don’t. I don’t believe in that or teach that so therefore I do not have a log in my eye. I am just trying to correct a practice that is not biblical. Why is that a bad thing? Why am I then considered mean and insensitive. It must be because many if not most must believe that Bible doctrine really doesn’t matter and there in lies the problem.
 
Where does it say…..we each stand before our OWN master? I know we each will stand before God in judgment.Rom 14:10
Isn’t He our own Master individually?
The correction I am focusing on is more doctrinal. I have given a couple of examples but here is another…
Many if not most churches will have you believe and then say some prayer to become a Christian, born again, saved. But that is nowhere taught in the New Testament. If it was we should see example after example of it being practiced but we don’t. I don’t believe in that or teach that so therefore I do not have a log in my eye. I am just trying to correct a practice that is not biblical. Why is that a bad thing? Why am I then considered mean and insensitive. It must be because many if not most must believe that Bible doctrine really doesn’t matter and there in lies the problem.
That is correct. That form of “conversion” is nowhere in scripture. It’s not wrong to
think as you do but telling others it’s not the Gospel, if their whole confidence stands on believing that procedure, is not going to go well for you and will likely not accomplish any change in their thinking.
 
When is it appropriate to tell someone they are wrong or that they are not adhering to truth?

How should one go about doing that? In Christianity, shouldn’t the Bible and ONLY the Bible be our standard for doctrine and practice? 1 pet 4:11. Col 3:17
If someone is practicing doctrine that cannot be found in the NT; Is that wrong? If not, why not?
For example…
You have Baptist and many other Denoms teaching that you MUST tithe if you want to be faithful to God. That is not a NT doctrine; so am I a bad person if I tell you that you are wrong?
You have other Denoms sprinkling babies for baptism. That is not a NT doctrine; so am I wrong if I point that out and tell you that you need to stop and get it right?
I assume you don’t mean on this site. It’s allowed in the kingdom of God for correction and training in doing right but not here. Jesus told people when their thinking was in error too so they could come to know the truth. But Never on this site or else…...
 
Last edited:
The second they start teaching it is when it's ok to say something. 1 Timothy 5:20
Most all of the time you don't get a welcome mat tossed out for you for doing it, but it went that way for Jesus too.
Those humble enough and desiring truth listen. (Bereans) Those who are of other motivations shoot/delete the messenger (Pharisees)
 
Isn’t He our own Master individually?

That is correct. That form of “conversion” is nowhere in scripture. It’s not wrong to
think as you do but telling others it’s not the Gospel, if their whole confidence stands on believing that procedure, is not going to go well for you and will likely not accomplish any change in their thinking.
The way you said…”own master” to me means. You can have your “own master” and I have mine. We both will have the same master. There is only one. If that is what you meant then ok.

Then how does one get them to change their thinking since they’re thinking will not lead to salvation.
 
I assume you don’t mean on this site. It’s allowed in the kingdom of God for correction and training in doing right but not here. Jesus told people when their thinking was in error too so they could come to know the truth. But Never on this site or else…...
Does it matter? If Bible doctrine is being taught, which it is on this site. Why am I mean or insensitive by telling someone on this site that they are wrong which should then lead to an honest Bible study.
It was Paul that said…..
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1 Corinthians 1:10

Doesnt this apply to “Christian’s” everywhere? How can we be of the same mind and judgment when people are teaching their own unbiblical doctrine and then get mad when you show them that it is not based in truth.
 
Does it matter? If Bible doctrine is being taught, which it is on this site. Why am I mean or insensitive by telling someone on this site that they are wrong which should then lead to an honest Bible study.
It’s forbidden to tell anyone on this site that they are wrong. It’s a rule.
It was Paul that said…..
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1 Corinthians 1:10

Doesnt this apply to “Christian’s” everywhere? How can we be of the same mind and judgment when people are teaching their own unbiblical doctrine and then get mad when you show them that it is not based in truth.
Good question. People in our culture get mad because:

1. They have no good reason for their position and borrowed their thinking from others whole. They cannot defend it nor even explain it and will give you a link in answer to your question as to what they think. Someone else has to tell you what they think.

2. People in our culture take not agreeing as being aggressive or rude or of poor character. Lying is preferable to offending others pretty much. Disagreeing is being offensive.

3. The church doesn’t teach christians to love truth. We are a democratic society and NO ONE has any more truth than anyone else and everyone has the right to their personal opinion and all opinions are equally valid.

These things do not characterize the kingdom of God but they do characterize our culture.
 
The way you said…”own master” to me means. You can have your “own master” and I have mine. We both will have the same master. There is only one. If that is what you meant then ok.
That’s exactly what I mean. You will answer to Him for what you do. Me too.
Then how does one get them to change their thinking since they’re thinking will not lead to salvation.
This is a great question. I wish I knew the answer beside the obvious one of prayer. But I have prayed and seen God try to open men’s eyes and they stubbornly refused. It’s heartbreaking.
 
It’s forbidden to tell anyone on this site that they are wrong. It’s a rule.
1.3 Do not post your opinion of another members standing in the Christian faith. Judging someone's soul is not Christ like; only they and God know their relationship with God. This includes collective beliefs and groups in general.

The above is a quote form the rules. There are some problems here.….
1. How are we supposed to determine who to present the gospel to if we don’t pass judgment on their spiritual condition.
Christ has said that we already have what is going to judge us in the end. It’s his word. Jn 12:48.
We are also instructed to judge by using “righteous judgment“. Jn 7:24.
We are told…that all his commandments are righteousness. Ps 119:172.
We can read study and learn exactly what it means to obey the gospel. We can then pass judgment (righteous judgment) on who does it and who doesn’t.

2. Christ like? Is it Christ like to call people….snakes (brood of vipers)? White washed tombs? Full of dead mens bones? You are of your father the devil? You are full of iniquity? (so i cant tell someone they are full of sin because its not ”Christ like”?). HaHa
In Mt 15 he flat out told the scribes and pharisees….in vain you worship me teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. Christ like?
Those approached him in Mt 22 with a question and he flat out told them they were wrong and didnt know their Bible. 22:29. Christ like?

We should all want to be “Christ like”. I don’t believe in getting personal. I attack the doctrine and the doctrine only. It’s not Christ like to let people continue to live in their false doctrines just because the cool preachers of the day are teaching them wrong.
 
When is it appropriate to tell someone they are wrong or that they are not adhering to truth?
It's never appropriate to tell another they are wrong because someone does not agree with them as sometimes we find that we were actually wrong. It's better to say "I do not agree with you and then the two of you can discuss with using scripture that of the differences of your understandings.

TOS
1.1: Grant others the courtesy to be understood and acknowledge their views. As best as one is capable, speak truth in love.; ( Mathew 7:12, 1 Corinthians 13:1-13)

1.3: Use self control and focus on reconciliation when discussing differences. Address the issue, not the person. Do not make derogatory personal remarks or you will be removed from the thread.

1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16)
 
It's never appropriate to tell another they are wrong because someone does not agree with them as sometimes we find that we were actually wrong. It's better to say "I do not agree with you and then the two of you can discuss with using scripture that of the differences of your understandings.
When you say…I don’t agree with you aren’t you really saying….I think you are wrong?
But, I guess it sounds nicer.
 
When you say…I don’t agree with you aren’t you really saying….I think you are wrong?
But, I guess it sounds nicer.
No, because there are many times I tell someone I do not agree with them, but when we discuss it further some actually shed light on things I did not understand before as we discuss the scriptures with each other. These are called healthy discussions.
 
It’s forbidden to tell anyone on this site that they are wrong. It’s a rule.

Good question. People in our culture get mad because:

1. They have no good reason for their position and borrowed their thinking from others whole. They cannot defend it nor even explain it and will give you a link in answer to your question as to what they think. Someone else has to tell you what they think.

2. People in our culture take not agreeing as being aggressive or rude or of poor character. Lying is preferable to offending others pretty much. Disagreeing is being offensive.

3. The church doesn’t teach christians to love truth. We are a democratic society and NO ONE has any more truth than anyone else and everyone has the right to their personal opinion and all opinions are equally valid.

These things do not characterize the kingdom of God but they do characterize our culture.
Remember that we are told that we each stand before our own Master. So when you think about correcting another, can you be sure that the splinter in their eye preventing them from seeing clearly isn’t a log in your own?

If "NO ONE has any more truth than anyone else" then how can one person have a log in his/her eye while someone else can have merely a splinter in his/her eye?
 
Cnkw3, I think it is important that we exercise caution when we judge another as being wrong. Jesus spoke of this when he said that we are not to judge others lest we too be judged. (Matthew, chapter 7) He also spoke of it as Dorothy Mae already mentioned about removing the spec in our own eye before removing the plank in another's (Matthew, Chapter 7). Scripture also tells us that we are not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought. (Romans 12:3)

Expressing a disagreement or different viewpoint is important for we want to get to the truth but when we allow our pride to take control we can run into trouble. Declaring another person wrong declares yourself to be right and it presents an arrogant position that can close doors rather than opening them. Are you absolutely sure you are right? For a long time Peter believed gentiles were not able to receive the Holy Spirit but he was proven otherwise. See Acts, chapter 10.
 
If "NO ONE has any more truth than anyone else" then how can one person have a log in his/her eye while someone else can have merely a splinter in his/her eye?

That's easy. We all walk the same narrow path. But not everyone is at the same place on the path! So some do have more truth than others. Are you ahead of me on the path or behind me?

We should get shoulder patches like Scouts when we learn something new or pass a test, lol. But we don't so it's hard to tell one another apart. Well it's not really hard to do, it's just hard to learn. It takes spiritual focus and discernment.

If the Lord walked up to you in the exact image of your worst enemy and started talking to you, could you see Him, or just your enemy?
 
Cnkw3, I think it is important that we exercise caution when we judge another as being wrong. Jesus spoke of this when he said that we are not to judge others lest we too be judged. (Matthew, chapter 7) He also spoke of it as Dorothy Mae already mentioned about removing the spec in our own eye before removing the plank in another's (Matthew, Chapter 7). Scripture also tells us that we are not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought. (Romans 12:3)

Expressing a disagreement or different viewpoint is important for we want to get to the truth but when we allow our pride to take control we can run into trouble. Declaring another person wrong declares yourself to be right and it presents an arrogant position that can close doors rather than opening them. Are you absolutely sure you are right? For a long time Peter believed gentiles were not able to receive the Holy Spirit but he was proven otherwise. See Acts, chapter 10.
"I think it is important that we exercise caution when we judge another as being wrong."

I doubt anyone would disagree with that...or, at least, would not admit to disagreeing with that. But, if someone did disagree with it, should we not judge them as being wrong in their disagreement with it? Should we judge another as being wrong for their judging another as being wrong?

"He also spoke of it as Dorothy Mae already mentioned about removing the spec in our own eye before removing the plank in another's (Matthew, Chapter 7)."

What about someone who does not have a beam, plank, mote, speck, or log in his/her eye? (For instance, someone who has heeded Christ's counsel, and has thus removed whatever beam, plank, mote, speck, or log he/she formerly had lodged in his/her eye.) Is he/she wrong to call attention to the beam, plank, mote, speck, or log in another's eye?

"Declaring another person wrong declares yourself to be right and it presents an arrogant position that can close doors rather than opening them."

Should both a person who teaches the earth is round, and a person who contradicts that by teaching that the earth is not round—should each of these persons be declared right in his/her respective teachings, and should neither of them be declared wrong in their respective teachings?

Is it possible to declare a person to have "an arrogant position" without judging them to be wrong?

"Declaring another person wrong declares yourself to be right..."

But also, declaring another person wrong is usually to declare yet another person(s) (someone who is not yourself) to be right. For example, Joe, who teaches that the earth is round, declares that Fred is wrong in teaching that the earth is not round, and thus, in doing so, Joe is not only declaring himself to be right, but he is also declaring many other people besides himself to be right, since many other people agree with Joe that the earth is round, and that those who teach that the earth is not round are wrong. And, if far more people agree with Joe that the earth is round than agree with Fred that the earth is not round, then, for Joe to declare that Fred is wrong is for Joe to declare that far more people are right than are wrong.

"Scripture also tells us that we are not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought."

But, so far as I can tell, Scripture never tells us that for us to think someone else is wrong is for us to think more highly of ourselves than we ought. Am I wrong?
 
That's easy. We all walk the same narrow path. But not everyone is at the same place on the path! So some do have more truth than others. Are you ahead of me on the path or behind me?

We should get shoulder patches like Scouts when we learn something new or pass a test, lol. But we don't so it's hard to tell one another apart. Well it's not really hard to do, it's just hard to learn. It takes spiritual focus and discernment.

If the Lord walked up to you in the exact image of your worst enemy and started talking to you, could you see Him, or just your enemy?
"So some do have more truth than others."

I agree. I was quoting and questioning something with which I disagree: "NO ONE has any more truth than anyone else".

"If the Lord walked up to you in the exact image of your worst enemy and started talking to you, could you see Him, or just your enemy?"


Huh? If I'm not mistaken, Satan is my worst enemy. I'd have a difficult time getting my mind around the idea of Jesus Christ walking up to me "in the exact image of" Satan.

"We should get shoulder patches like Scouts when we learn something new or pass a test..."

That's definitely an unpopular sort of thing to say in our postmodern world of egalitarian madness.
 
Back
Top