In God's eyes, is there a difference between kinds of sin?

[Deborah13]

You can not boast of being a 'law keeper' without keeping all the law says to do. In the case of James' audience they may have had a boast in regard to the Ten Commandments (many people have this boast) but they left the royal law in scripture undone by disobeying the law to not show favoritism. That doesn't mean they are guilty of things they really didn't do. It means they are law breakers--transgressors of the law:

I agree with this. And I think that is what I said in different words. AND none of us are perfect in keeping the law, we have no place to boast. ie. better than Joe Shmoe. I am not comparing an unbeliever to a believer, two different creatures. My Joe Shmoe was not an unbeliever.
I don't say that if you are a murder, you are also an adulterer. I said sin is sin, and ALL are guilty of sin.
Sheesh Jethro, I don't see where you have gotten what you are trying to say you read into my post. LOL

This is what I said, "If I do this I won't be in as much trouble as if I did that and hey at least I don't behave like Joe Shmoe. I think this was James point in "if you've broken one you've broken them all". Sin is sin. And we are All guilty."

Are we not ALL guilty of sin?

 

[smaller]

I think maybe zero hit the Perfection and Love Jesus taught "all the time" like Jesus did.

Agreed. That's also part of why we endlessly wrangle about every 'term' in the text. We just don't see things perfectly, nor do we know things perfectly.

But thats not what I see as sin. (sin is sin) I see that mark as Perfection training. (Loving others as Jesus did) But as John wrote the one born of God won't continue to sin.

Continue is a term of convenient excuses. Convenient to delude us into thinking we are only temporary sinning sinners. And continuing is our excuse to not count it against ourselves, as it is only temporary.

Fact is nobody stops sinning and is at any point in time, sinless.

As far as inward the One in us is greater then the one in this world.

Randy

And again that is leaning in the proper direction.

If we see our own sin, yes, ours, is in fact of the devil as noted in 1 John 3:8, we might see that there is no way the devil ever stops sinning. That basically means sin is not just about us alone.

The question posed by the thread seems rather foolish if we say 'some sin of the devil' is better or less than other sin, doesn't it?

s

 

[Elijah674]

Most christians fail to consider their own sins as 'of the devil.'

Why should we let the devil off the hook for 'our' sins?

It is no longer 'you', but sin living in you.

"16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me." (Romans 7: NASB)

"7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. " (Romans 7: NASB)


There's a big difference between those who sin because that's what they (still) are by nature, and those who are by the nature of Christ new creations but sin anyway. It's entirely incorrect to somehow equate the sins of unregenerate sinners and the sins of believers. But I know, it's one of the hardest things to try to explain to unbelievers who don't have the new nature.

1 John 5:16-17 tells of a different story. There is a sin unto death even for the Christian. The END is the 'mature' full cup if one chooses that way to go?

7 th. Day Sabbath requirement is just one of the ten commandments of FREE CHOICE! James 2:8-10

--Elijah

 

[Brother Mike]

Deborah13

I agree.

I think that when we think about "is there a difference in sins" we can't just consider that one point. We always end up immediately looking at the penalties of that sin. The consequences which is a different thing, I think.

Jethro Bodine

I learned a big lesson from the oak trees my brother planted in the yard behind my house. It took 13 long years for them to have acorns. Did they become oak trees in their thirteenth year? Of course not. It took that long for them to come to maturity, but they were oak trees, nonetheless, that entire time. It took time to see the evidence that proved what they really were. So it is with the plantings of God. It isn't until the planting forms a head of grain that we can know if someone really is a stalk of wheat or a deceitful tare (Matthew 13:25-26 NASB), but that doesn't mean they were all tares before the head developed.

There is Sin Greater than Other Sin:

First to Sister Deborah.

Sin is sin. And we are All guilty."

We were Guilty. Never, ever confess guilty. We are not guilty.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

As Jethro said......................... It takes time for the Oak tree to produce acorns. A brand new tree on first year production will not produce many acorns after many years pass though it would be expected the tree to produce more than it did when it first produced acorns 10 years ago. The tree had more time to grow and knows lots more thing.

We are judged by violating the Light we have, not by the sin committed.

Who much is given, more is required. When committing a sin, the Lord looks at one thing. How much has he revealed to me about it? A whole lot of sin comes from not doing the plan of God and doing your own thing. We tend to think of sins like Adultery and stealing but much, much more is expected as you grow more in the Lord. The Lord does not judge acts of the flesh, He said so, but violating light you have has to be judged as that is a heart issue toward God.

When helping someone in a mess or stuck in some sin, my first question is what do you know about that. Most the time people just say they know it's wrong. I ask what is the penalty for that? Normally they say they know God does not like it. So I go by what they know, because to be free of something you need the truth on it.

If you look at Job who did not trust God and lived in fear, He had everything given back to him after he gave the devil a place to destroy him. God found nothing wrong with Job though even though Job lived in fear. Job had no revelation about fear.

Moses on the other hand just hit the rock. A one time thing and it cost him the promise Land. Same with David who knew God and always knew God protected him. His little rant with Bathsheba and the murder of her husband cost David a whole lot.

1Ki 22:43 And he walked in all the ways of Asa his father; he turned not aside from it, doing that which was right in the eyes of the LORD: nevertheless the high places were not taken away; for the people offered and burnt incense yet in the high places.

King Asa was right before God, though King Asa had problems the Lord overlooked. When Asa got disease in his feet he never consulted God about it, but just his own doctors instead. The Lord noted this but King Asa was still right before God. King Asa did not tear down the high places but God overlooked that also.
The time Asa got in trouble with God was when Asa offered money to diffuse a situation with the enemy instead of Going to God with the problem. Before when Asa did not have any money, God had delivered him from the enemy, but when God blessed Asa later and Asa had the means he paid his way out. Asa violated the light He had because God already showed him that no matter how big the enemy, it was not a issue for God.

2Ch_15:17 But the high places were not taken away out of Israel: nevertheless the heart of Asa was perfect all his days.

It is possible to not do everything right, have sin in your life and still be right with God, because God looks at the heart and what he has personally revealed to you.

Is it possible to do everything right, and God not be happy with you?

The King Amaziah:

Amaziah did everything right., however this is what God said about him.

2Ch 25:2 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, but not with a perfect heart.

So it's possible to do everything as you should, but not be as right with God as someone that has sins and issues in their life.

So the greater sin comes not by acts of the flesh, but what God has shown you before committing sin. Sin committed after God has revealed things to you show a heart condition toward God.



Mike.

 

[smaller]

Most christians fail to consider their own sins as 'of the devil.'

Why should we let the devil off the hook for 'our' sins?

It is no longer 'you', but sin living in you.

"16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me." (Romans 7: NASB)

"7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. " (Romans 7: NASB)


There's a big difference between those who sin because that's what they (still) are by nature, and those who are by the nature of Christ new creations but sin anyway. It's entirely incorrect to somehow equate the sins of unregenerate sinners and the sins of believers. But I know, it's one of the hardest things to try to explain to unbelievers who don't have the new nature.

1 John 5:16-17 tells of a different story. There is a sin unto death even for the Christian. The END is the 'mature' full cup if one chooses that way to go?

7 th. Day Sabbath requirement is just one of the ten commandments of FREE CHOICE! James 2:8-10

--Elijah

There is no 'free choice' to not sin.

All have sin as a present tense matter regardless of choices.

The fact that we all have 'contrary minds' wherein we think of doing both good/bad doesn't mean we are off the hook for sin by not doing them externally.

Jesus was abundantly clear that 'evil thoughts' also defile us, and those thoughts are also sin.

There is no sense patting ourselves on the back for not killing, not stealing or not committing adultery when the fact is all of us at a minimum 'think of' doing all those things at some point or another.

The fact that more of it doesn't leak out into the open is the real miracle.

And the fact that believers do not speak 'honestly' about it only means they are sinning by lying and deceiving themselves, within.

s

 

[Sparkey]

Part of the problem that we are having may be the tendency to think in terms of binaries. Sometimes we just like thinking in black and white terms. You is with me or you ain't. It is true or it ain't. These types of classifications help the student learn but their value diminishes when gray areas exist.

Because God (only) is capable of knowing our hearts we are able to leave the actual judgment of such things up to Him. We look to Him for direction and for understanding yet no man knows the whole mind of God. So yes, there are difference between sins (in a sense). And yes, even breaking the law in the smallest matter is enough to convict us because in the end of it, any (every) sin seeks to separate us from God who is altogether Holy. We are taught to become aware of the Lust/Desire enticement that leads to Sin which in turn, left unchecked by that which restrains, leads to death.

If I were speaking and my words offended? Is this not sin? If a man does not submit his/her tongue to the Lord and instead speaks out of his own, is this not idolatry? It is putting self before God. It is sin. Guilty of one, guilty of all. But what of the heart and the purpose of God? Did He not send His Son for this very reason, that we might learn to be more like Him? So then, on our way to the Lord we are given very clear definitions of those behaviors that prohibit entrance to heaven. The Bible lists these things in several places. We know that God is Good and that He is Just. He is our Judge and His mercy endures forever.

Yet, as we grow to be more and more like Him, by the act of His Spirit Holy, seen and known and even heard through the mouths of our brothers and sister, shown best through that man called Jesus... and as we emulate these behaviors and continue to grow under the blessings of our Father, shall we too become better able to understand the nature of these things? We shall judge angels. Angels are above us in station and in power but by the Mercy of the Lord and the miracle of the Life of Christ in us, our "maturity" and "perfecting" is promised to bring us to a place where even those things are within our judgment.

Who is there now? Not I. Yet that is the call. To continue and to abide with Him with the sure knowledge of the Promise that He will abide with us.

John wasn't telling us to toss our prayers down into emptiness or to pray about those whose actions lead directly to death. Someone comes into my house and steals a $50 dollar bill out of my Bible where I stashed it away? Do I pray for this one? I may, but would it make sense to invite that one back into my home? What if they were also crack addicted? Can the Lord break addictions? He can. I am proof of that. Shall I pray? I may. But shall I pretend that all is okay and that my prayer has been answered where there is no evidence of that and this brother/sister continues along that path toward death?

I think no. Let the rain stop for that ground. Let that one come to grips with what it means to pursue abandonment. That they may repent and be saved.

But then if someone enters my home and comes in the Name of Jesus and we pray together and dine. If I were to misspeak and failed to properly harness my mouth to the Spirit of God and spoke in a complaining manner about something my guest could do nothing about? I know better. The Bible says that I am not to be a busy-body and am to stop seeking to stick my nose purposelessly into the lives and business (and even sin) of others? Well, then. What to do? Is this the same "kind" of sin? It is sin and all sin is by definition contrary to God and Truth. This too needs repentance.

What I see in the Scripture spoken by John leads me to think about how the body works. Each cell is provided nourishment and life through the blood. Praying according to the Will of God with the expectation of Life being given and asking that the Blood of Jesus cover this sin is an intercessory act. It, in part, joins us to the ministry of Jesus and is acceptable unto God. So if we see our brother sinning in a manner that does not lead to death, we are to ASK and our Father in Heaven will give life. That is the benefit of and the purpose behind the suffering of Jesus for us. That we may be restored to our Father who is the giver of life and that we allow and seek our Savior to act in us that we may be changed.

It is loving our brother as ourselves. Another Christlike experience.

 

[smaller]

Most christians fail to consider their own sins as 'of the devil.'

Why should we let the devil off the hook for 'our' sins?

It is no longer 'you', but sin living in you.

"16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me." (Romans 7: NASB)

"7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. " (Romans 7: NASB)

There's a big difference between those who sin because that's what they (still) are by nature, and those who are by the nature of Christ new creations but sin anyway. It's entirely incorrect to somehow equate the sins of unregenerate sinners and the sins of believers. But I know, it's one of the hardest things to try to explain to unbelievers who don't have the new nature.

Yeah, that 'position' is what I term 'typical hypocrisy.'

The Pharisee thought he was not like the other sinners as well.

s

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Most christians fail to consider their own sins as 'of the devil.'

Why should we let the devil off the hook for 'our' sins?

It is no longer 'you', but sin living in you.

"16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me." (Romans 7: NASB)

"7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. " (Romans 7: NASB)

There's a big difference between those who sin because that's what they (still) are by nature, and those who are by the nature of Christ new creations but sin anyway. It's entirely incorrect to somehow equate the sins of unregenerate sinners and the sins of believers. But I know, it's one of the hardest things to try to explain to unbelievers who don't have the new nature.

Yeah, that 'position' is what I term 'typical hypocrisy.'

The Pharisee thought he was not like the other sinners as well.

s

So then, you disagree with what Paul said. I can just skip those parts of those letters when I get there, right?

Certainly you can see that your doctrine about sin is completely contrary to scripture.

 

[smaller]

Most christians fail to consider their own sins as 'of the devil.'

Why should we let the devil off the hook for 'our' sins?

It is no longer 'you', but sin living in you.

"16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me." (Romans 7: NASB)

"7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. " (Romans 7: NASB)

There's a big difference between those who sin because that's what they (still) are by nature, and those who are by the nature of Christ new creations but sin anyway. It's entirely incorrect to somehow equate the sins of unregenerate sinners and the sins of believers. But I know, it's one of the hardest things to try to explain to unbelievers who don't have the new nature.

Yeah, that 'position' is what I term 'typical hypocrisy.'

The Pharisee thought he was not like the other sinners as well.

s

So then, you disagree with what Paul said. I can just skip those parts of those letters when I get there, right?

Certainly you can see that your doctrine about sin is completely contrary to scripture.

Jethro, I can't have imaginary conversations.

If you can link your statements to something specific I said, please either do so or save yourself bringing me into such imaginary conversations.


The fact I observed from you is that you believe a BELIEVERS SIN is different than an unbelievers sin, and noted that in the bolded underlined portions of your statements.

I don't believe there is any difference whatsoever, period. And I don't believe Paul made that case either, as you think you noted.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Yeah, that 'position' is what I term 'typical hypocrisy.'

The Pharisee thought he was not like the other sinners as well.

s

So then, you disagree with what Paul said. I can just skip those parts of those letters when I get there, right?

Certainly you can see that your doctrine about sin is completely contrary to scripture.

Jethro, I can't have imaginary conversations.

If you can link your statements to something specific I said, please either do so or save yourself bringing me into such imaginary conversations.


The fact I observed from you is that you believe a BELIEVERS SIN is different than an unbelievers sin, and noted that in the bolded underlined portions of your statements.

I don't believe there is any difference whatsoever, period. And I don't believe Paul made that case either, as you think you noted.

Just explain what Paul's "no longer am I the one doing it" means in the doctrine of sin you defend.

I'm a believer. My sin does not result in damnation. It is covered by the blood of Christ (as long as I trust in the blood to do that). The unbelievers sin does result in damnation. This is the difference in sinning that unbelievers can't understand and which frustrates them to no end, but which is true nonetheless. We are NOT all alike under sin.

There is sin that leads to death, and there is sin that does not lead to death. Ultimately, the sin of the unbeliever is their rejection of Christ. There is no forgiveness for that sin. That is how that sin is differentiated from all other sin. It results in eternal damnation 100% of the time. Not so with other sins. The difference in sin depends on who is committing it, and why.

 

[smaller]

Just explain what Paul's "no longer am I the one doing it" means in the doctrine of sin you defend.

I'm going to ask you again to please DEFINE as I have no idea what 'the doctrine of sin I defend' is in your MIND. I don't read minds.

I'm a believer. My sin does not result in damnation. It is covered by the blood of Christ (as long as I trust in the blood to do that). The unbelievers sin does result in damnation. This is the difference in sinning that unbelievers can't understand and which frustrates them to no end, but which is true nonetheless. We are NOT all alike under sin.

Yeah, I think I've heard that one before:

EDITED
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[Sparkey]

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Although I don't like the sound of thanking God that I am not like the extortioners, the unjust, the adulterers, the line is definitely drawn by the comparison when it transgresses into the thought that the Pharisee would thank God that he is not like the one who humbles himself and repents in truth and from the heart.

It is true that any sin within me makes me an adulterer. And that I have stolen God's glory falsely when I pretend that I have no sin. It is true that not only will I be considered an adulterer and a thief I would also be rightly classified as an idolater. Would I defend myself with a false scale in my hand and by placing my thumb on my side of that scale even while persecuting others? I could protest, "No, not I," but then I would be a liar as well. Am I not found then to be one who looks to his own works as justification and thus despises the purity of the sacrifice of the one true lamb of God? But even there shall we not pause and consider that the condition of the saved, while sinning, is yet different if the believer continues with Christ.

As we all continue to walk in the light our secret sin is exposed. Our choice is then to continue or to retreat to darkness. The word will do its work. The Holy Spirit will convict and will guide and as each of us learn to support the other our bonds of love serve to form a greater protection against the storms and battles that seek to destroy the Work of God being seen on this earth.

Has the Lord not said,

• "... if you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday, [Isaiah 58:10(ESV)] -and-
• "... For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon you, and his glory shall be seen upon you. [Isaiah 60:2(KJV)]

My thought about "pouring ourselves out for the hungry" includes the sure knowledge that Jesus is our mana. I'm sure you may see where I am heading with this. Loving self and loving others as self, with consideration given to God in all things means that when I see my brother sinning a sin that leads not to death and am in the Will of God about it, I pray and ask just like I would if it were me who was ensnared. My trust of God and His good will and long-suffering is extended in a well-balanced scale to all who call upon the Name of the Lord, Jesus.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

..shall we not pause and consider that the condition of the saved, while sinning, is yet different if the believer continues with Christ.

To think that my sin is somehow the same as the sin of the unbeliever is to totally not understand the grace of God.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Just explain what Paul's "no longer am I the one doing it" means in the doctrine of sin you defend.

I'm going to ask you again to please DEFINE as I have no idea what 'the doctrine of sin I defend' is in your MIND. I don't read minds.

This isn't about reading minds. This is about remembering what you've said in these forums. You insist there is no difference in sins.

I'm a believer. My sin does not result in damnation. It is covered by the blood of Christ (as long as I trust in the blood to do that). The unbelievers sin does result in damnation. This is the difference in sinning that unbelievers can't understand and which frustrates them to no end, but which is true nonetheless. We are NOT all alike under sin.

Yeah, I think I've heard that one before:

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

s

edited can you come up with a Biblical illustration to show that I'm really just like the unsaved person who sins? I showed you where it says I am NOT.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Take a look at Leviticus 4 for starters. Notice how unintentional sin is dealt with.
Now look at Leviticus 26:23 “‘If in spite of these things you do not accept my correction but continue to be hostile toward me, 24 I myself will be hostile toward you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over.

Perhaps this is why the Hebrew writer states: Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Smaller, note the difference between deliberate and not deliberate sin; repenting of sin, not repenting of sin. Sin that is forgiven, sin that is not forgiven.

 

[smaller]

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Although I don't like the sound of thanking God that I am not like the extortioners, the unjust, the adulterers, the line is definitely drawn by the comparison when it transgresses into the thought that the Pharisee would thank God that he is not like the one who humbles himself and repents in truth and from the heart.

Why a scripture citing got edited out Lord only knows.

I was responding to Jethro about his 'position' that believers sin was somehow different than unbelievers sin.

It is true that any sin within me makes me an adulterer.

True. Evil thoughts defile us without any doubt according to Jesus.

And that I have stolen God's glory falsely when I pretend that I have no sin.

Again true. Zero of us became or become 'sinless' post belief and to even claim such puts us directly into lying.

It is true that not only will I be considered an adulterer and a thief I would also be rightly classified as an idolater. Would I defend myself with a false scale in my hand and by placing my thumb on my side of that scale even while persecuting others?

Nope. Not if you are thinking clearly. If we 'expect' forgiveness then it had better be emblazoned from us to others.

I could protest, "No, not I," but then I would be a liar as well. Am I not found then to be one who looks to his own works as justification and thus despises the purity of the sacrifice of the one true lamb of God? But even there shall we not pause and consider that the condition of the saved, while sinning, is yet different if the believer continues with Christ.

Pointed out earlier in this thread that 'sin is of the devil.' There is no need or cause for us to allow the devil off the hook in any of these matters of 'our sin.'

As far as I'm concerned God is not just dealing with 'me alone' in matters of sin and maintains the right to engage the devil in opposite fashions anytime He pleases to do so. Even when it [falsely] appears to me that I'm OK.

As we all continue to walk in the light our secret sin is exposed. Our choice is then to continue or to retreat to darkness.

I lost my expectations of the resistance party being sinless, legal or obedient.

Sin is never a matter of just us individually. The tempter, the deceiver is implicated up to his eyeballs.

The word will do its work. The Holy Spirit will convict and will guide and as each of us learn to support the other our bonds of love serve to form a greater protection against the storms and battles that seek to destroy the Work of God being seen on this earth.

Gods intentions were always to show us weak and vulnerable. There are lessons to be learned therein. Good ones.

s

 

[smaller]

Take a look at Leviticus 4 for starters. Notice how unintentional sin is dealt with.
Now look at Leviticus 26:23 “‘If in spite of these things you do not accept my correction but continue to be hostile toward me, 24 I myself will be hostile toward you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over.

Perhaps this is why the Hebrew writer states: Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Smaller, note the difference between deliberate and not deliberate sin; repenting of sin, not repenting of sin. Sin that is forgiven, sin that is not forgiven.

Sorry I don't buy the story that 'our sin' as believers is looked upon any differently than anyone else's.

Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

s

 

[smaller]

edited can you come up with a Biblical illustration to show that I'm really just like the unsaved person who sins? I showed you where it says I am NOT.[/QUOTE]

Reba, it would be nice if you would just respond to my posts rather than post within them expecting it to be found.

Was there really a point in eliminating a scripture from my citing?

I was directly responding to Jethro's claim that 'believers sin' is 'different' that unbelievers.

I don't buy it and used the Pharisee's LIE to prove it isn't so. IN addition to other scriptures that can be brought to bear if needed.

s

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I was directly responding to Jethro's claim that 'believers sin' is 'different' that unbelievers.

I don't buy it and used the Pharisee's LIE to prove it isn't so.

But the Pharisee is an example of an unbeliever, not a believer. How does that prove your point?

 

[smaller]

I was directly responding to Jethro's claim that 'believers sin' is 'different' that unbelievers.

I don't buy it and used the Pharisee's LIE to prove it isn't so.

But the Pharisee is an example of an unbeliever, not a believer. How does that prove your point?

He certainly thought he was a believer didn't he? Prayed to God. Ministered in the temple.

s