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[Corn Pop]

Good debate

 

[jasonc]

I would point out that all of your pensions are paid by the government.

Your words say you trust the private sector more, but your actions say you trust the government more.

The 401a ,457 k isn't .they match only,457.

The pension plan I have isn't much ,gone ,500 a month went broke .

No,job here has much of any 401k.

The military one is funded by the did,guard retirement unless you suggest that we should force the military to have done what Obama did from,the start .no,more active duty pensions ,the va didbt exist in 1918 ,its a Korean war after solution .

Of course my pensions could fail me but do you,expect me to take a pay cut and forego all that was promised to me?

 

[jasonc]

I would point out that all of your pensions are paid by the government.

Your words say you trust the private sector more, but your actions say you trust the government more.

Of course we can. An honest dollar and free markets make that easier. If medicine is affordable, public health care is inexpensive.

When you can show me that no,man sins and is so honest that he doesn't lie ,is immune to greed.I have locked water meters ti churches for theft ,christian business and people steal too.

There was a market crash in the 1800s from the fact pension promises were a cause in,the u.s. you sound like we don't need Jesus we just need gold people act honestly the free market is is been trying United States and you know it's been done when you research United States history will find out we've never really had a full-fledged free market system I can walk you right through that history starting with the Whiskey Rebellion about that one and the expansion of a government after the Civil War to show you that it hasn't been emailed the gold standard there was some manipulation capitalism does not deal or have an answer to Greed in fact it operates off of self-interest it's kind of ironic because that's great Jesus says the opposite

 

[jasonc]

The city I work for in 2015 got rid of the pension program all people that were on it kept I am only on it for 10 years and I was forced onto the 401a on a so they match when I put in Far More above with the private Market does and I have no control over how I invested I could set up the entire thing myself which I don't I let the private company in the desert for me do it but I can go in there if I knew how to do what I would do it that is how I say I beat Social Security using that.

 

[Michael74]

The 401a ,457 k isn't .they match only,457.

In accounts where the government decides what funds you are allowed to invest in. That's not free market.

Of course my pensions could fail me but do you,expect me to take a pay cut and forego all that was promised to me?

No, you deserve your military and city pensions. I was just pointing out that you say you trust the private sector more, but have not actually put in the private sector years necessary to earn a private sector pension. Your actions suggest that you trust the government more.

 

[jasonc]

In accounts where the government decides what funds you are allowed to invest in. That's not free market.



No, you deserve your military and city pensions. I was just pointing out that you say you trust the private sector more, but have not actually put in the private sector years necessary to earn a private sector pension. Your actions suggest that you trust the government more.

No the city hands money to a private company called igc if I remember right and they invested for me on their behalf the city does not tell me where to put that money so you're wrong if you can if you insist on insulting me I will block you. There are no private sector pensions where I live hyper since you know I live look up Piper aircraft bankruptcy and sales you'll find out that companies had four-five bankruptcies in the past 30 years has been open you'll find that's not your own by America but the Sultan of Brunei and I pay less on average than what I already make

 

[jasonc]

If you're paying money in the Social Security I can say the same thing about you that you're you're putting trust in it to expect the government to keep a promise is not unreasonable you're kind of saying that all along as threads will are going to do enough so we should do that which way is it with you.

One was forced after 2010 until,its departure into the pension .at the time based on older vets advise I took that .at first i was bothered by the removal but projections show what I have will,beat it.the city has a Roth ira ,457k as well before the change .no,matching there

 

[Michael74]

...gold...

You shall have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure, that your days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD your God is giving you. Deuteronomy 25:15 NKJV

If the Bible says to use an honest currency, then we should use an honest currency. Its not right for a worker to put in decades to earn a pension, and then have some banker slowly take it away with inflation.

Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. James 5:4 ESV

The workers who are being robbed by bankers are crying out in their anguish.

 

[Michael74]

If you're paying money in the Social Security I can say the same thing about you that you're you're putting trash than that to expect the government to keep a promise is not unreasonable you're kind of saying that all along as threads will are going to do enough so we should do that which way is it with you

I do trust the government more than private industry. I am happy that I paid Social Security premiums. I am happy that I paid Medicare premiums. Some things are better done through the government.

Health care is another thing best done through the government.

 

[jasonc]

I do trust the government more than private industry. I am happy that I paid Social Security premiums. I am happy that I paid Medicare premiums. Some things are better done through the government.

Health care is another thing best done through the government.

How old are you?

If you ever becane disabled ,let me firewarn you .if you,have tricare ,or private insurance via a spouse that pays note cost less its easy to beat Medicare .no doughnut hole ,buying part d coverage ,or suplimental.you,will find that you will be waiting six months ,you,will fund a penalty,added of 10 percent per year not oj it plus a six month wait after paying it .

My,miltary experience of doctors says govt doesn't as well,the va and military will,take doctors who,loses their license .you,just need to have your degree.scary thought but its true .

Despite the fact you can sue the va ,not military doctor ,doesn't mean with the former you will,get money anytime soon,or at all.they can delay paying it.seen it with a lawsuit against my county where the county did disable a person,20,years after winning,the law suit she was paid .

 

[jasonc]

I hate social security.I know its game .

 

[Corn Pop]

 

[jasonc]

Oh and Social Security is at 100% taxable so you save more guess what that money they text you to get it to get taxed right back that's the Army saying well they say the pay is $100 and take back 99 that is very true. Because I make too much I get I pay taxes on what being my wife both make and my parents are in the same boat that's garment compassion for you

 

[Corn Pop]

Ahh Taxes. The governments favourite food.

 

[jasonc]

On top of you 6.4% Medicare taxes you pay with your employer when you get to the position where you at and eat it or start collecting Social Security cuz you're old enough to retire you also pay for it that can range from 3 to $400 a month my dad's social security check is after disability is not even $200 a month

 

[Corn Pop]

I get majorly ripped off. I pay 19% income tax, and then 66 cents tax per litre of gas to get to work to pay 19% income tax. That doesn't include buying food because food always has tax added.

Everytime I make a transaction after paying my income tax I seem to keep paying more tax.

I wonder at the end of the week after my wage, gas, food, and whatever else I spend how much tax I have payed. What % of my wage has gone in tax.

 

[jasonc]

I get majorly ripped off. I pay 19% income tax, and then 66 cents tax per litre of gas to get to work to pay 19% income tax. That doesn't include buying food because food always has tax added.

Everytime I make a transaction after paying my income tax I seem to keep paying more tax.

I wonder at the end of the week after my wage, gas, food, and whatever else I spend how much tax I have payed. What % of my wage has gone in tax.

Depending where you,live here its 40 to 50 percent taxation

 

[Corn Pop]

Depending where you,live here its 40 to 50 percent taxation

It becomes a joke when every transaction is taxed after you have already payed your fair share of income tax, the rest should be tax free. Especially when your a individual employee and not a business.

 

[Corn Pop]

GST is 15%. So I guess after I pay my 19% income tax I pay 15% tax each individual transaction I make for goods and services.

Not sure how gas works. Must be a different tax.

I just looked at a receipt for food. I spent $30.90 and payed $4.64 tax.

 

[Corn Pop]

I'm going to check a gas receipt. If there is GST and the 66 cents per litre tax is built into the pump then that's a complete joke. That would be a double tax about 33% tax (66 cents in the litre @ around $2 per litre, with another 15% tax.