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Michael74 said:
I'm not Mensa either. We have about the same IQ. I'm 130. We are just ordinary people I guess. The lofty IQ people discover theories of relativity and such. Al Einstein was 160.
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In general what does an IQ test do for people anyhow.

Who knows, if you done a IQ test and got a 220+ you could have got a knock at the door with a job offer. They just need help trying to de-code something.

I wonder what Snowden's IQ is. Apparently he
scored above 145 on two separate IQ tests. That's not bad. That is classed in the top 1% and in the genius range. It says above 145 so I don't know exactly what it was, but obviously it's still genius.
 
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kiwidan said:
In general what does an IQ test do for people anyhow.
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They were designed to measure how well someone is likely to do in college. Given equal study time, someone with an IQ of 70 will not likely master a field of study as well as someone with an IQ of 130. Colleges use them as one factor in student acceptance and placement in classes. The military used to use IQ tests for placement (officers had to score at least 120 at one time), but have adopted a more comprehensive exam tailored to aptitude for military skills. The military found that recruits that score below a certain level can't be easily trained for useful skills. Military tends to recruit those with above average mental and physical skills. They make the best soldiers.

I wonder what Snowden's IQ is.
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145.
 
Officers lead ,ncos execute .that's another thread .quickly plenty of educuated officers can get men killed if not restrained by an experienced nco.
 
jasonc said:
Officers lead ,ncos execute .that's another thread .quickly plenty of educuated officers can get men killed if not restrained by an experienced nco.
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Absolutely. There is no substitute for years of experience. College only gives book knowledge. Then officers they learn on the job. Same for engineering, medicine, etc... No one in their right mind would allow a medical student to operate solo on a patient with only book knowledge. Once they graduate, they apprentice themselves to a specialist to learn their trade on the job. Year of experience under the guidance of someone who has been doing the job for awhile. No substitute. Experienced NCOs are an essential part of the Army.
 
Michael74 said:
Absolutely. There is no substitute for years of experience. College only gives book knowledge. Then officers they learn on the job. Same for engineering, medicine, etc... No one in their right mind would allow a medical student to operate solo on a patient with only book knowledge. Once they graduate, they apprentice themselves to a specialist to learn their trade on the job. Year of experience under the guidance of someone who has been doing the job for awhile. No substitute. Experienced NCOs are an essential part of the Army.
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You do know that a 2lt leads and gives oporders,the idea of college outside of military war ones isn't old.

Save the old academies .battlefieold commissions were common. No officer actually knows his mos until taught at the unit.
 
Hey, just so you guys know I'm at an early Thanksgiving dinner right now but there is no news today anyways. So have a wonderful rest of the day and God bless. :biggrin
 
Human error?. The public knew it would happen but the "experts" didn't.

Our so called clean green country drops lots of poison on the nation. The stuff is so toxic it's banned in most countries.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Endangered kākā killed by possum poison

The deaths of two endangered native parrots have been attributed to human error.
www.nzherald.co.nz www.nzherald.co.nz
 
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jasonc said:
You do know that a 2lt leads and gives oporders,
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Yes, chain of command. The CO tells the Lt, and Lt tells the troops. The CO also knows who his competent NCOs are, and generally tells an inexperienced Lt to pay attention to them when they give advice on how to best carry out the COs orders.

Save the old academies .battlefieold commissions were common.
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Yes. Technology has changed since then. War machines are more complicated, and a certain amount of academics can be helpful in mastering them.

No officer actually knows his mos until taught at the unit.
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Military Occupational Specialty. Some things are best learned by doing under the watchful eye of an experienced hand. College can only teach so much.
 
Michael74 said:
Yes, chain of command. The CO tells the Lt, and Lt tells the troops. The CO also knows who his competent NCOs are, and generally tells an inexperienced Lt to pay attention to them when they give advice on how to best carry out the COs orders.



Yes. Technology has changed since then. War machines are more complicated, and a certain amount of academics can be helpful in mastering them.



Military Occupational Specialty. Some things are best learned by doing under the watchful eye of an experienced hand. College can only teach so much.
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Officers learn,basic infantry stuff applicable to all mos.

The academics has little to do with what works in,war.your are saying that if the enemy kills the co,the company wouldn't know the mission .that's not true.the xo has to know it and so ncos at plt Sgt will be able to do officer work .

I'm speakimg army and marines only .officers don't train men,the nco does,the nco maintains,holds accountability,the officer is over all that but does not do it.
The plt sgt and 1sg who advises the co,and the csm who advises the batallion co .these guide and train officers at times.

Nothing the army does is overly complicated .aviation being the exception.a wise ssg once told me .there's the book,then there's war.in,war the book,is thrown out.


Michael74 said:
Yes, chain of command. The CO tells the Lt, and Lt tells the troops. The CO also knows who his competent NCOs are, and generally tells an inexperienced Lt to pay attention to them when they give advice on how to best carry out the COs orders.



Yes. Technology has changed since then. War machines are more complicated, and a certain amount of academics can be helpful in mastering them.



Military Occupational Specialty. Some things are best learned by doing under the watchful eye of an experienced hand. College can only teach so much.
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jasonc said:
The academics has little to do with what works in,war.
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Here's the thing, military doesn't want Lt to stay Lt. Up or out. Lt has to learn how all of the various machines work together on the battlefield if he wants to become a general someday. This means tanks, planes, and drones too. Not just rifles. When Stormin Norman designed a battle plan in the first Iraq war, he needed to know that Air Force would quickly achieve air supremacy, allowing him to maneuver his tanks to interdict enemy supply lines without serious opposition. He needed to understand logistics to keep his own troops supplied while denying supplies to the enemy. It was a quick victory because the Iraqi troops ran out of ammo quickly, and fled in panic. Air Force then bombed their troops on the road until POTUS said enough. A general needs to have sufficient academic skills to know how all of the war machines at his disposal work when designing a battle plan.

Wars of maneuver tend to be far more effective than wars of attrition. Afghanistan was primarily counter insurgency . Guerrilla warfare is a different animal. A general needs to know how to do both styles of warfare, which means mastery of various war machines.
 
kiwidan said:
I would rather drive a diesel ute.
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Safer too. Those scooters don't really have a clear path for them. Its not safe for them to be on the road alongside trucks and cars. Its not safe for pedestrians for them to be on sidewalks. They need their own path separate from roads and sidewalks. Most cities are not set up for them, and probably won't be in the near future.
 
Michael74 said:
Here's the thing, military doesn't want Lt to stay Lt. Up or out. Lt has to learn how all of the various machines work together on the battlefield if he wants to become a general someday. This means tanks, planes, and drones too. Not just rifles. When Stormin Norman designed a battle plan in the first Iraq war, he needed to know that Air Force would quickly achieve air supremacy, allowing him to maneuver his tanks to interdict enemy supply lines without serious opposition. He needed to understand logistics to keep his own troops supplied while denying supplies to the enemy. It was a quick victory because the Iraqi troops ran out of ammo quickly, and fled in panic. Air Force then bombed their troops on the road until POTUS said enough. A general needs to have sufficient academic skills to know how all of the war machines at his disposal work when designing a battle plan.

Wars of maneuver tend to be far more effective than wars of attrition. Afghanistan was primarily counter insurgency . Guerrilla warfare is a different animal. A general needs to know how to do both styles of warfare, which means mastery of various war machines.
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A general has staff and no,general ,not,even patton was a surgeon a ,pilot,a bosommaite,an infantry men,he was a tanker .they have others in the brigades and these work together ..


No,officer goes from,armor ,mp,and infantry ,they remain as such branch given.its rare but i have seen it where they do but that was guard and they do,then switch ,pattton with his 2nd army a division had generals under him,and colonels over brigades,no officer knows or needs to know it all.as it goes up it gets similar,but still there are specialities.
 
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