Patton was using technology that is now 74 years out of date. If a general is assigned to oversee missile or satellite development, he will need to know a bit about the physics involved. War machines are becoming ever more technical in nature. A 2nd Lt might command a few tanks, but a general might be asked to oversee development of a new model of tank. Still tanks. Demanding a minimum level of math and word competence gives an officer additional flexibility as he is promoted. What's more, he has proven that he is able to learn new material as needed by earning a degree. Important as war machines become complex.
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Patton was using technology that is now 74 years out of date. If a general is assigned to oversee missile or satellite development, he will need to know a bit about the physics involved. War machines are becoming ever more technical in nature. A 2nd Lt might command a few tanks, but a general might be asked to oversee development of a new model of tank. Still tanks. Demanding a minimum level of math and word competence gives an officer additional flexibility as he is promoted. What's more, he has proven that he is able to learn new material as needed by earning a degree. Important as war machines become complex.
Ada,the Ada trains as a brigade but never deploys as one.
That. Idea of ever command officer having know it all can't work.civilians advise ,fix and maintain a lot.
I used to fire a rocket,Raytheon or Boeing at the range with aeronautical egineers there.civilians ran the dome,a simulator .
Tank brigades,etc hasn't changed much since ww2 .I,was in,armor,it has infantry ,cab,aviation ,anti tankers.mortar,arty,air defense ,transportation
2acr a cav regiment was like that
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Air defense is dispersed to protect the troops, and value targets.
Not know it all, but be sufficiently familiar with it to supervise experts. Take for example a general in charge of various missile and satellite development. The experts working for him have advanced knowledge, but he is the one responsible for making the project work. Making sure the various tech guys got the job done. He doesn't have to be an expert in everything, but he has to have some basic idea of what was needed.
Similar for Stormin Norman or Patton. They were not experts in every single system, but they were the ones responsible for making all of the parts work together to get the job done. They had to have a basic idea of what each system was capable of to devise a battle plan that worked. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco, JFK asked Ike for advice. Ike pointed out that the decision making process used was inefficient. The man at the top is responsible. He can't defer to the "experts". The man in charge has to have sufficient understanding of how systems work to supervise the "experts", and develop a plan based on the capabilities of the system. You can't run a war with a committee of tech geeks. Someone has to be in charge, and he has to be competent.
Civilians are an integral part of the military. They do many of the non combat jobs. They develop new toys for the troops to play with. Its still the generals who oversee the entire project or group though. The generals are the ones who are responsible for making sure civilian and military experts get the job done on time.
Face the Facts said:
The US military is better educated than civilians. The military today chooses above average people like yourself because it takes above average people to become proficient at many modern weapons. The military is above average. The best and the brightest are chosen. Experience has indicated that below a certain score people are untrainable with modern weapons. The military also chooses people with above average strength and endurance. They get the job done better, and are more resistant to injury while carrying heavy gear in challenging situations.
There is a reason the US Air Force rapidly gains air superiority over third world nations, and the Army rapidly captured Baghdad. They can't stand up to smart, strong, well trained and well equipped troops. All they can do is things like hide among the civilian population to covertly fight guerrilla warfare, and set roadside bombs as ambush.
Not that I disagree my,point was that education for officers cab be totally,useless.I,posted a memory to my lt col,white who was a retired infantry man,he could fly fixed wing and rotary air wing.he had a political science degree and was an enlisted air traffic controller .
My,point is also that education,and training for officers is to weed out weak material.of. course English ,and math and history and language will be related and critical thinking but leaders are born and not made
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Yes, academics won't make a person a good leader. Non leaders are often weeded out by a different process. They generally don't get promoted very far if they can't lead people. Up or out.
Of course, promotions can work somewhat differently in peace time. Soldiers don't have the same opportunity to demonstrate battlefield leadership skills in peace time. When a war starts, the right people might not be in place. Changes take place over the course of the war.
Standards are lowered in,war time now a days .
Case in point of arbitrarily banned officers with tatoos after the big withdrawals unless they were commissioned before.meaning hoah ,high speed Sgt smith with a tatoo but an moh can't go ocs because its not in regs despite it not affecting his moral character,Sgt Smith has a degree but is now an 11x officers and now needs a new degree to make or keep major despite said masters has no real affect to making him,better at presentation or communicating skills ,he already gives briefs and has since being an 2lt.
I have seen good officers loose rank and revert to enlisted ranks,I served under csm Duckworth who was a major before ,he gave his commission up and served 30 plus and could have gone on longer but politics .he was a transportation mos and infantry officer .as csm he was over me as such and I was mp.
He joined when I was born ,he retired as a major as one always retires as the highest rank. I'm not anti education but rather against these arbitrary standards that simply reduce manpower and have nothing to do with war time .
If they can't get enough new youngsters to enlist, they will change the standards.
They sometimes do silly things when forced to reduce manpower.
Medal of Honor should count more than tats.
Okay, education requirement are sometimes being misused as cover for force reductions due to Congress authorizing fewer troops. They just make up reasons, instead of examining the actual competency of individuals. Awhile back one man told me his son was forced out due to a traffic violation, when force reductions were going on. He thought that was unfair.
No,they have always done that with a few times .even when the army was bigger.in the early 90s it was helpful you,had a her but not required ,it,limited your mos selections but infantry and many jobs are really not that challenging mentally .I,see enemy I,kill him .we have a different doctrine over us now.instead of kill the enemy or be killed which was taught in my,day its how can I be a cop.
The army ,marines always had some element of civil affairs and also police work but it was never the mission solely .it was once we established control ,it was used to secure the ao an to establish a functional govt,see the occupation of axis nations after the war .
The army ,marines always had some element of civil affairs and also police work but it was never the mission solely .it was once we established control ,it was used to secure the ao an to establish a functional govt,see the occupation of axis nations after the war .
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The west coast is dangerous, especially that rock. Out of say 10 waves that hit a couple are Kings. It's unpredictable and messy. I would never fish on there without a lifejacket. I have fished that area but not that spot. The whole area is dangerous. You fall in or get swept off your out.
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'Waves go ballistic': Desperate, doomed bid to save man swept off rocks
'There's only one thing I can say - people who go out there should have a life jacket on.'
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2 decades of counter insurgency has forced change. Guerrilla warfare is much different than conventional warfare. They will shift gears again if faced with conventional warfare versus a near peer. So many resources have been poured into COIN that conventional preparation is now lagging.
Different cultures. Both Germany and Japan had people conditioned to obey authority. This led to a situation when they obeyed orders to march on their neighbors. This also made occupation subsequent to victory a relatively benign experience. Most Germans and Japanese obeyed the Allies when the Allies became the authorities. Plus the Germans and Japanese had a national identity. They wanted to band together to form a nation.
The Middle East is a bitterly hostile region of the world. Decades after decade of guerrilla warfare. Many of them hate Americans almost as much as they hate each other. The western attempt to make a nation out of warring Afghan tribes that don't want to be a nation is a multi generation project. Engineering a change of power in Iraq from centuries of Sunni rule to Shia rule has created bitter resistance from local Arab Sunni, and Shia groups are putting their own local groups ahead of national interest. The Kurds want their own independent nation, and don't want to have anything to do with the Arabs. Another multi generation project. In both places, many factions are just waiting for the Americans to leave so they can get back to business as usual.
Forming a nation out of people who don't want to be a nation is a multi generation task that requires educating people on the benefits of working together. Instilling patriotism in the locals. A military designed to parry a Soviet assault through the Fulda Gap is not set up for the task of Middle East nation building. Its taking a long time to figure out how to reorganize and retrain for the new mission. WWI, WWII, and Korea were conventional. That is the type of mission the military is primarily set up to carry out. Nam was partly conventional, and partly guerrilla. The first Iraq war was conventional.
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What I find amazing is how Sunni and Shia always get mentioned in these conflicts and Sunni and Shia make up 99.9% of Islam. 99.9% of Muslims are Sunni and Shia.
Yet Islam is apparently a religion of peace.
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The government may as well just own your properties if they have that much control.
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Government to ban landlords putting up the rent every six months | Newshub
That's just one change announced on Sunday.
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They both think the other group are heretics who need to be brought back into the fold.
We still train for conventional war .its just not the mission but its why we have tanks.etc.
I don't assume that another war of more conventional means won't or can't happen.
Much of what we do was done in,nam,and as i said the occupation .my,great uncle talked about the German insurgents after the war it went on.as it did in Japan .
Its not new .
Nation building is what we do .
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So a suspected ISIS leader , who's name is Hassan, apparently beheaded and gave orders to kill, then used a fake ID and went to Greece as a refugee before heading to Hungary.
www.independent.co.uk
‘Isis leader who beheaded imam and ordered dozens of killings’ on trial in Hungary
Defence lawyer claims F Hassan is illiterate and incapable of organising murders
www.independent.co.uk
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Why does the nation's biggest media even give this woman a platform. She is out of reality and thinks a private business has to sell what she wants and how she wants.
Don't like what they sell, then walk out and go to another store.
You know what someone with common sense would do. They would get the t-shirt and just cut off the label and it's a win win for both. It's just a tag no one can see.
This is not even news. It's pathetic. One woman having a little cry over an item in a store. Surely some other real news could have filled this space.
www.nzherald.co.nz
Don't like what they sell, then walk out and go to another store.
You know what someone with common sense would do. They would get the t-shirt and just cut off the label and it's a win win for both. It's just a tag no one can see.
This is not even news. It's pathetic. One woman having a little cry over an item in a store. Surely some other real news could have filled this space.
Wellington mum calls on Kmart to make clothing labels non-gendered
"Stop this gendered madness! No more 'girls' or 'boys' on labels!"
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