God doesn't regenerate the repentant through man's seed.
By calling anyone "Father", you raise them above God.
That is idolatry.
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By calling anyone "Father", you raise them above God.
That is idolatry.
Fortunately we have a high priest who knows our frailties and weaknesses. He is slow to anger and abounding in love and mercy.
You forget we are not saved by what we do, by our good works etc.
As Jesus said, if you love me you will obey my commands.
Yes there are works of faith, good deeds, etc etc etc,
But
They serve only one purpose.
To show that we love Jesus.
The days of that mercy are numbered, and running out.
Where does it say that God's mercy will run out and that we will have to live in a world with no mercy being shown by God?
The mercy "runs out" on the earth's last day.
It is coming sooner than some suspect.
Then why paul timothy’s father?
1 tim 1:1-2
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
What does this mean?
Does paul condemn “faith & works”?
Does paul support “faith alone”?
By no means!
It only means that natural works are excluded!
Paul condemns “faith alone”!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:13 three are eternal and inseparable faith, hope, and charity!
If salvation is by faith alone, then faith would be the greatest but charity is!
Phil 1:29 not called to faith alone but to suffer (works)!
Paul includes faith and works!
Heb 6:12 faith & patience
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
Col 1:24 sufferings
Philemon 1:5 love and faith
Phil 1:29 called to suffer not
Narrow road leads to life!
Dead works are natural works apart from christ and grace! Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing, so with Christ and grace we can do all things! (faith & works)
Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(Serve: implies works)
It was a figure of speech.
We are saved, chosen by grace. We are not saved by what we do.
But through faith we serve God.
As James says we by our good deeds show we have faith and this is true of all the verses you pick.
We are not saved by good deeds, but by the faith that God gives us.
Your full of it!
“Faith alone” Questions
where does ez 36: 25:27 Say “faith alone”?
where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?
Where does it say we are sealed by faith alone?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?
Faith alone?
1 Timothy 1:14
And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
(Sound like faith alone?)
(Why a great amount of grace, don’t we just each need a tiny bit?)
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?
1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”
Ministered by the apostolic church!
2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?
Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?
They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???
When we first believed we are saved?
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?
1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?
If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!
Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2
The early Catholic Church fathers say faith and baptism!
Eph 5:24 the church is subject to Christ and has always taught and practiced “baptismal regeneration” and never “faith alone” if anyone says we are justified by “faith alone” let them be anathema! (condemned)
Matt 28:19 disciples by faith and baptism
Not called to faith alone Phil 1:29
Three things faith, hope and charity!
Not faith alone! Greatest not faith, if salvation depended on faith alone faith would be the greatest! 1 cor 13:13
Phil 1:29 not only called to believe
Scripture does not support “faith alone”!
Lk 8
The parable of the sower, all four had faith are they all saved?
Lk 23:39 did not the bad thief say; save us? “Faith alone”?
Lk 18:14
Why did the publican not mention Jesus Christ or make a profession of belief, but prayer and virtue!
Why must we also suffer?
Faith alone not enough”?
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and I joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Phil 1:29 not called to believe alone but also to suffer for Christ’s sake.
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matt 24:13 endures “in Christ” to the end shall be saved.
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Where does it say “faith alone”?
“Faith alone” ain’t biblical!
Justification is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Anything else is a false gospel.
Alright, that'll be about enough of that. Let's keep things civil.
Full of the Holy Spirit, thanks be to God.
We died with Christ by faith. None of us were nailed to the cross, none of us were there all those years ago. It is by faith a gift from God that we are saved.
No one can claim that there deeds have earnt them salvation.i