i hate to say it but i dont believe in my country anymore. in a way i feel God is abandoning it (but not His people). or maybe i should say, we abandoned God so God pulled away from us. i believe in the values and morals of this country's founding fathers, who used to Bible as a guideing step to building this once great nation, but these days, these overtly "liberal" days, im starting to already see sin taking over. we have a president who condones abortion and the killing of life. there is also a rise is athiesm from what i hear, and the Bible to some is something like a relic of the past. we seem to be living in an age of de-moralization (do you see how both kids and adults behave these days?) and skeptisism when at one point people had the bible as the source of a kingdoms' strength. i mean, what exactly has happened to this once great country? let me put it this way, the past has shown that countries that totally abandon God crumble, and if america keeps faithlessness up, it too will crumble. i am already seeing it, and quite frankly, its depressing. i wouldnt be surprised if the Lord came back tommorow. just wat happened to this country? so distressing and sad...
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Is America trying to get rid of God these days?
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lovely
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Peter,
I am an American in the United States, and I am not trying to get rid of God. In fact, I rely on God to utilize those freedoms in my life so that my family is kept from being assimilated by this world's culture, and used to influence them for God with the Light of Christ. God's people are still here, still praying, still following the path of Christ, and still sharing a Word of Truth...to save, and to help brothers and sisters through. Do not loose heart, but stay geared up for the battle, because the enemy is the deceiver, not men, they are the ones we are trying to save...the whole world is the front line these days, and so there is no where to go and hide from the one who is going to and fro seeking whom he may devour.
The Lord bless you.
I am an American in the United States, and I am not trying to get rid of God. In fact, I rely on God to utilize those freedoms in my life so that my family is kept from being assimilated by this world's culture, and used to influence them for God with the Light of Christ. God's people are still here, still praying, still following the path of Christ, and still sharing a Word of Truth...to save, and to help brothers and sisters through. Do not loose heart, but stay geared up for the battle, because the enemy is the deceiver, not men, they are the ones we are trying to save...the whole world is the front line these days, and so there is no where to go and hide from the one who is going to and fro seeking whom he may devour.
The Lord bless you.
peter33 said:
Did you know that in the 1920's when the Turkey Trot (dance) became popular that the older generation thought it was outrageously promiscuous and that they complained that the younger generation was so very out of line in accordance to Godly behavior?
Actually, I think that each generation goes through the same thing about the decline of Godly behavior of the society. Yeah, it's getting worse, but then that's how it goes until the day of judgment. God doesn’t take drastic measures until the judgment day for each situation in each person's own life because of the fact that God gave each person chance enough and the right to have chosen the will in which they would follow or have lead them.
Think about this... people will continue on with their crimes until the cops catch them, they have their day in court to be judged and then they are given due sentence. And even then..... some don't give a hoot (choice) . When they get out they continue on with their ungodly behaviors, and sometime, many times the choices that were made were made out of sheer ignorance of the truth of God's love and good will. So what happens? The vicious cycle continues. Why? Because there was no intervention. Why no intervention? Well, partly because of neglect of those who are supposed to be "brother's keeper" and partly because of their own stubbornness, unwilling to change, to set aside the old for the new and better way of life. Some people are just too stubborn to change. And those are the one's that God deals with in the end of the matter. These people are those who are being used by God anyway. Their bad example is used for lessons to NOT do something, and the bad they did is very sad to see the devastation that is left. But God also can take the mess they left behind and USE good people to clean up the mess. Hence, Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (italics used for emphasis).
So really, what those criminals and those who are living in such whorish ungodly behaviors don't realize is that when the finger of God's final call has come it's going to be pointed only in one direction..... at each and every one of us individually. That we all have to at some point in time be held accountable for our own life face to face in the mirror in front of God almighty, we all do. We all have to face Him and hope that He says, "Well done, my good and faithful "servant" ". So the question remains with each individual (myself not ever excluded from this, so no pomp meant at all here in making this point) ... We all have to ask... Did I, am I doing my part in reaching out to actually be a good Samaritan to anyone even to those who are not in my close circle of friends?
Some of my favorite bible verses.
Those about putting on the whole armor of God as stated in Ephesians 6:11 - 20
And
Revelation 22:11-15
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
And, of course those scriptures I have placed in my signature of all of my postings: :yes
Despite people still calling this a "Christian nation", it isn't and never has been. Most of the people who call themselves a "Christian" have no idea what that word means. Like one woman said when I asked if she was a Christian, "Of course I am, I'm an American!" People think they're Christians for all kinds of wrong reasons, and yet I'd be willing to bet that very few of them have ever had a life-changing experience with Jesus Christ.
The reasons you hear for their belief that they are a Christian include, "I'm a good person." I don't do anything really bad." "I try to keep the Ten Commandments." "I go to church." "I've been baptized." And numerous other reasons, but seldom do you hear anyone say, "I accepted Christ as my Saviour."
This nation has accepted homosexuality as normal and even allow them to marry and adopt. They're even being ordained as ministers. TV shows feature them. Laws are passed protecting them and their perverted lifestyle. The slaughter of unborn babies is rampant, and few seem to have any problem with it since they've been told that the unborn aren't human. The strange thing is that people get all up in arms over someone aborting unborn puppies. They're not human either--so what's the difference? The difference is that animal life is now valued above human life.
Man has "no fear of God." Psalm 36:1. Thousands of years ago when the Psalms were written, man didn't fear God; he has even less fear of Him now.
The reasons you hear for their belief that they are a Christian include, "I'm a good person." I don't do anything really bad." "I try to keep the Ten Commandments." "I go to church." "I've been baptized." And numerous other reasons, but seldom do you hear anyone say, "I accepted Christ as my Saviour."
This nation has accepted homosexuality as normal and even allow them to marry and adopt. They're even being ordained as ministers. TV shows feature them. Laws are passed protecting them and their perverted lifestyle. The slaughter of unborn babies is rampant, and few seem to have any problem with it since they've been told that the unborn aren't human. The strange thing is that people get all up in arms over someone aborting unborn puppies. They're not human either--so what's the difference? The difference is that animal life is now valued above human life.
Man has "no fear of God." Psalm 36:1. Thousands of years ago when the Psalms were written, man didn't fear God; he has even less fear of Him now.
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We ended slavery. We gave women and blacks the right to vote. We stopped killing and stealing from the Native Americans. We stopped lynching African-Americans. We lifted the ban on Chinese immigration. We took into consideration to the welfare of laborers. We have sought social equality for Catholics, Jews, Women, and people of all colors. We established Civil Rights.peter33 said:
Curse you America! Curse you for seeking social justice for all! You have ruined our wonderful and godly society and the social order with the strong White Protestant on top, as God-ordained it.[/sarcasm]
That said, I do not intend to apply these ideas to you Peter. I do not believe you are a racist or oppose social justice. However, I think many times when we harken back to the old days, we tend to overlook many of our former social ills.
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GojuBrian
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Those are all great accomplishments minnesota, but I sometimes where the thinking behind those ideas that made those changes possible went??? I wonder if society has such an open mind that its' brain fell completely out??
I don't think America is rejecting God at all. I DO think the small activist groups are louder than the majority of right thinking groups. ;)
I don't think America is rejecting God at all. I DO think the small activist groups are louder than the majority of right thinking groups. ;)
lovely
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I agree that we had many social ills in the past, but people were trying to work toward doing good things as a nation. As far as our present time, I think we could come up with a long list to describe our current social ills and I can't think of one particular group that would be exempt from contributing to them. The bottom line is that sin is present in this world, and we need to share the Light of Jesus to every generation.
Armor of God
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Jon-Marc said:
Great points :amen All of western society can be described in this way.
We have thrown the God of the bible out of government, the news media, Hollywood, schools, universities, workplace, and on it goes. Liberal ideals are a poision rotting this country from the inside out.
We have the President of this country leading the crusade in the slaughter of the unborn and the destruction of marriage and family. We have high profile celebrities like Ophra Winfrey leading millions on the path to hell with their new age religion. We have the emerigent church preverting God's word with Christian sounding terms and embracing harasy.
Everywhere we turn, Satan is influencing the world. The percentage of people in this country who are true born again Christians is growing smaller each year. Soon, God will remove his grace from this country and it will fall into judgement. Just as we see time and time again in the bible and throughout the rest of history. Other parts of the world Christianity is on the rise, but the best days of western society are behind us now.
jasoncran
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yes , i seen that decandence in my short lifetime and I believe that our country had some good christian founders(Winthrop and others like) but we also have blood and had to repent( slavery, indian slaughters). If you look at Winthrop sayings and his views on the indians it was opposite of what we did with the indian nations. I believe that there was problems like now back then, but not on such a large scale. I also believe that God is in control, and that is sin epidemic, and coldness and problems was all prohesied in the bible. :amen
animal said:
Yes. I did read the rest of your post. Your point being that 'a culture 230 years old isn't any different than a lifetime of sinners'. And I'm sure you meant to say that it doesn't mean that Americans are any different. Hey, Rome didn't fall in a day either.
Of course, when people refuse to repent of their sins, the behavior spreads like a disease, and disease destroys the body.
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animal said:
Well God certainly isn't going to try and save those who are allready saved. I do not believe God limits His saving grace to cultures but rather to sinful men and women all over the world.
Dave Slayer said:
Yes, the thing is though that the wicked are given fair enough warning and fair enough pleading to them and for them by those who care for their salvation. But the wicked who refuse repentance shall not be saved. It is by their own choosing that they are walking down the wrong path. God gave us all conscience which let's us know what is wicked. Man knows they have done wickedly, even those who have not been told by us "humans" of the love of God. The wicked know they are wicked. But they ignore the conscience that says to stop being wicked. So they have chosen their own path. Some unto the path of salvation, others unto the wickedness of a hellish way. America isn't any different than any other place on earth in terms of them "choosing" to listen to the voice of the Good Lord, or not.
I believe America IS being prayed for no less than any other city past, present, or future.
The small cities of Sodom and Gomorrah weren't any less important to God. God cares enough for those who are willing to turn to Him, walk with Him, live by His Holiness.
Remember Moses, he asked God those big IF questions:
- Genesis 18:20-33
20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. 22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. 27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes: 28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. 29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake. 30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. 31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake. 32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. 33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
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