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Is Corporate Worship Important or Necessary?

. We're all going to Heaven regardless of how we choose to assemble.

Nice post. :thumbsup

(I'm definately too disruptive for church...lolz)

I agree with this. In fact, before I read your post I was thinking that I need to clarify my answer. I said that corporate worship is important and necessary. I still think it is important but I think it is necessary in the sense that it is God`s plan for the church so we should do our best to live God`s plan. But I know (not "I think") it is not necessary for salvation.
 
I agree with this. In fact, before I read your post I was thinking that I need to clarify my answer. I said that corporate worship is important and necessary. I still think it is important but I think it is necessary in the sense that it is God`s plan for the church so we should do our best to live God`s plan. But I know (not "I think") it is not necessary for salvation.

pjt:

Acts 2.42 makes it very clear that the early Christians met together regularly for their various spiritual activities.

(We should do our best to do the same, right?)
 
ah the ignorance as not all rcc is the same,some dont pray to the saints.

i have one of those in my town at one time.

and some are charismatic. seen those.

and well your wife doenst speak english if i recall , is this correct?

if so then i guess somehow it works.

and i have had haitans that dont speak english visit my old chruch and their pastor translated the sermons and songs into creole for them.

and surely theres some there they do speak english, as i doubt you are the only english speaker there that is saved.

My wife speaks English just fine I dunno where you got that assumption. But you seem to just pull statements out of no-where daily.

As for the RCC church...it's apostate. Simple. I'm not going there.

Charismania??....sorry but....thats not a whole lot better than the RCC as far as I'm concerned, maybe even more dangerous.

And yes at this moment I'm the only English speaking resident of this town that is Christian that I know of except for one couple who are sometimes in town...but they gimme the creeps.
 
pjt:

Acts 2.42 makes it very clear that the early Christians met together regularly for their various spiritual activities.

(We should do our best to do the same, right?)

2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and
fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2.42 says they fellowshipped together. It doesnt make it clear that the spiritual activities like praying etc were part of that fellowship. Just that they continued in those things also. Indeed we are commanded to pray on our own in private.
 
2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and
fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2.42 says they fellowshipped together. It doesnt make it clear that the spiritual activities like praying etc were part of that fellowship. Just that they continued in those things also. Indeed we are commanded to pray on our own in private.

s:

I think I see what you want to say. I don't think the Scripture is teaching what you say, but I don't want to argue; there is no point.
 
pjt:

Acts 2.42 makes it very clear that the early Christians met together regularly for their various spiritual activities.

(We should do our best to do the same, right?)

Yes we should try to do as the scripture teaches as much as circumstances allow us. There are always exceptions to the rule like the man dying on the cross next to Jesus, he did not get to do all the things a Christian should do but he still got to go to heaven but that is the exceptional case. People bed ridden, some prisons or Christian persecuting countries don`t always allow for Christians to fully and freely exercise our faith so there are exceptions to the rule, but when we can we should try.
 
My wife speaks English just fine I dunno where you got that assumption. But you seem to just pull statements out of no-where daily.

As for the RCC church...it's apostate. Simple. I'm not going there.

Charismania??....sorry but....thats not a whole lot better than the RCC as far as I'm concerned, maybe even more dangerous.

And yes at this moment I'm the only English speaking resident of this town that is Christian that I know of except for one couple who are sometimes in town...but they gimme the creeps.

really, perhaps you should read 1 corinthians 14 more closely and what paul says.

"i thank god that I speak in toungues more then you all"

hmm. and that wasnt always in a human language.

and he also forbid not the speaking toungues or despise not prophecy.

just has to be done in order
and agian what you know about charismatics is from the internet not in person.

when i do talk the issues i have with charismatics, its because i have seen it or done that out there stuff in ignorance.
 
really, perhaps you should read 1 corinthians 14 more closely and what paul says.

"i thank god that I speak in toungues more then you all"

hmm. and that wasnt always in a human language.

and he also forbid not the speaking toungues or despise not prophecy.

just has to be done in order
and agian what you know about charismatics is from the internet not in person.

when i do talk the issues i have with charismatics, its because i have seen it or done that out there stuff in ignorance.

The only thing I get from scripture about unknown tongues is dont do it!

What gives you the impression that 'unknown tongues' may not be a human language?

I know enough about Charismania to know that it's not for me.

No offence but I find the whole movement to be on the brink of, if not sliding down the slope of apostacy.
 
Yes we should try to do as the scripture teaches as much as circumstances allow us. There are always exceptions to the rule like the man dying on the cross next to Jesus, he did not get to do all the things a Christian should do but he still got to go to heaven but that is the exceptional case. People bed ridden, some prisons or Christian persecuting countries don`t always allow for Christians to fully and freely exercise our faith so there are exceptions to the rule, but when we can we should try.

pjt:

I think so, too. The exception - and there are always exceptions which make for poignant situations where the Lord sustains isolated believers - doesn't contradict the rule.

Having said that also, even collective worship and testimony - at least, from a heavenward perspective - is founded on the individual believer's prior conviction and personal spiritual testimony.
 
2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and
fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2.42 says they fellowshipped together. It doesnt make it clear that the spiritual activities like praying etc were part of that fellowship. Just that they continued in those things also. Indeed we are commanded to pray on our own in private.

That is what you think. Corporate prayer is also important.
 
The only thing I get from scripture about unknown tongues is dont do it!

What gives you the impression that 'unknown tongues' may not be a human language?

I know enough about Charismania to know that it's not for me.

No offence but I find the whole movement to be on the brink of, if not sliding down the slope of apostacy.

Then you fail to understand what apostasy is, or worse: you fail to understand the word of God and what He is offering you.
 
That is what you think. Corporate prayer is also important.

Alabaster:

Yes, indeed. Someone has rather soberly said about the spiritual health of local churches: you can tell its spiritual health by seeing how many folk bother to show at the prayer meeting.
 
Alabaster:

Yes, indeed. Someone has rather soberly said about the spiritual health of local churches: you can tell its spiritual health by seeing how many folk bother to show at the prayer meeting.

Exactly! A church that prays together stays together! It pleases God---what more can one say?
 
That is what you think. Corporate prayer is also important.

Exactly! A church that prays together stays together! It pleases God---what more can one say?

Does it please God to do the opposite of what he says?

The Lord Jesus tells us to pray in solitude, in private....on our own.

Do you deny this?

6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are:
for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners
of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,They have their reward.

6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou
hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy
Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

 
Then you fail to understand what apostasy is, or worse: you fail to understand the word of God and what He is offering you.

I think you're enthusiasm for 'corporate prayer' which is in direct opposition to scripture gives us a clue as to who doesn't understand what.
 
Does it please God to do the opposite of what he says?

The Lord Jesus tells us to pray in solitude, in private....on our own.

Do you deny this?

6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are:
for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners
of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,They have their reward.

6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou
hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy
Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.


You misapprehend the truth of the whole word of God when you isolate passages to serve your own agenda. We are to pray in solitude daily, but we are also to come together as a church assembly and pray with one heart and voice. It strengthens our faith and God loves it---He blesses us for our joint faith and He is pleased to answer us.

All churches in the NT as well as the Israelites in the temple came together and prayed together.

Of course, as you deny the truth about the assembly, you will of course, fight tooth and nail against the call to corporate worship and prayer.
 
Question: "Is corporate prayer important? Is corporate prayer more powerful than an individual praying alone?"

Answer:
Corporate prayer is an important part of the life of the church, along with worship, sound doctrine, communion, and fellowship. The early church met regularly to learn the doctrine of the apostles, break bread, and pray together (Acts 2:42). When we pray together with other believers, the effects can be very positive. Corporate prayer edifies and unifies us as we share our common faith. The same Holy Spirit who dwells within each believer causes our hearts to rejoice as we hear praises to our Lord and Savior, knitting us together in a unique bond of fellowship found nowhere else in life.

To those who may be alone and struggling with life’s burdens, hearing others lift them up to the throne of grace can be a great encouragement. It also builds in us love and concern for others as we intercede for them. At the same time, corporate prayer will only be a reflection of the hearts of the individuals who participate. We are to come to God in humility (James 4:10), truth (Psalm 145:18), obedience (1 John 3:21-22), with thanksgiving (Philippians 4:6) and confidence (Hebrews 4:16). Sadly, corporate prayer can also become a platform for those whose words are directed not to God, but to their hearers. Jesus warned against such behavior in Matthew 6:5-8 where he exhorts us not to be showy, long-winded, or hypocritical in our prayers, but to pray secretly in our own rooms in order to avoid the temptation of using prayer hypocritically.

There is nothing in Scripture to suggest that corporate prayers are “more powerful†than individual prayers in the sense of moving the hand of God. Far too many Christians equate prayer with “getting things from God,†and group prayer becomes mainly an occasion to recite a list of our wants. Biblical prayers, however, are multi-faceted, encompassing the whole of the desire to enter into conscious and intimate communion with our holy, perfect, and righteous God. That such a God would bend an ear to His creatures causes praise and adoration to pour forth in abundance (Psalm 27:4; 63:1-8), produces heartfelt repentance and confession (Psalm 51; Luke 18:9-14), generates an outpouring of gratitude and thanksgiving (Philippians 4:6; Colossians 1:12), and creates sincere intercessory pleas on behalf of others (2 Thessalonians 1:11; 2:16).

Prayer, then, is cooperating with God to bring about His plan, not trying to bend Him to our will. As we abandon our own desires in submission to the One who knows our circumstances far better than we ever could and who “knows what you need before you ask†(Matthew 6:8), our prayers reach their highest level. Prayers offered in submission to the Divine will, therefore, are always answered positively, whether offered by one person or a thousand.

The idea that corporate prayers are more likely to move the hand of God comes largely from a misinterpretation of Matthew 18:19-20, “Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.†These verses come from a larger passage which addresses the procedures to be followed in the case of church discipline of a sinning member. To interpret them as promising believers a blank check for anything they might agree to ask God for, no matter how sinful or foolish, not only does not fit the context of church discipline, but it denies the rest of Scripture, especially the sovereignty of God.

In addition, to believe that when “two or three are gathered†to pray, some kind of magical power boost is automatically applied to our prayers is not biblically supportable. Of course Jesus is present when two or three pray, but He is equally present when one believer prays alone, even if that person is separated from others by thousands of miles. Corporate prayer is important because it creates unity (John 17:22-23), and is a key aspect of believers’ encouraging one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11) and spurring one another on to love and good deeds (Hebrews 10:24).

Recommended Resource: Prayer, The Great Adventure by David Jeremiah.

Source: Is corporate prayer important? Is corporate prayer more powerful than an individual praying alone?
 
I think you're enthusiasm for 'corporate prayer' which is in direct opposition to scripture gives us a clue as to who doesn't understand what.

What you think is based on what you only want to think...not on what God wants you to think.
 
Re: What is your church like?

I'd have to disagree


You don't at all need a physical Church, but it is an incomparable resource.


Paul talked about Church accountability and support of all kinds. I would not mind doing any of this but i'm probably really far away...
 
Exactly! A church that prays together stays together! It pleases God---what more can one say?

A: Yes, indeed. The same can be said about a married couple: a husband who prays with his wife, and regularly gives her flowers, earrings, etc. helps to strengthen it.

Churches are people, and married couple are people, and need to do things together.
 
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