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Is Faith Voice Activated?

Who Me said:
No, you have illustrated the saying a verse without a context is a pretex for error.

Had you read the next verse it says what ever you ask for in prayer, believe.


It is about having faith that God will answer your prayers.
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It’s about letting your faith be expressed by your voice.


Confessing with your mouth because you believe in your heart is the basic element of salvation.


Praying to God asking Him for wisdom is His desire for us.

Speaking to our problems what He says to speak is called the obedience of faith, for we receive faith from God as He speaks to us, and that faith becomes tangible reality when we obey what He says for us to do.



IOW the only way the mountain will be uprooted and cast into the sea, is because God has told to “say to this mountain”, and we obey Him by “saying to this mountain”....



JLB
 
Who Me said:
So, why quote a verse that has nothing what so ever to do with naming and claiming.

Paul is talking about the life of faith, not about prayer.
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Naming and claiming, which is just conjuring up a desire for something and claiming it, without God speaking to you is not the prayer of faith.


The word of faith is a biblical concept and the foundation of our salvation.


When God move on us or speak to us, then we have faith.

When we obey what He says to us, by which we receive faith, we are operating in the principle of the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith. Romans 16:26



If we hear the Gospel Command to repent, we respond by believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead, and confessing with our mouth Jesus as Lord, we will be saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10


  • with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation




JLB
 
Who Me said:
If you do not understand how to interpret scripture, why do you quote it.

A pretext is a verse quoted with no context inorder to support an unscriptural idea.
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Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter, remembering, said to Him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away.”
So Jesus answered and said to them, “Have faith in God. For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them. Mark 11:20-24

The context of Jesus teaching begins when He spoke to the fig that was unfruitful and it withered and died.


This in itself was an object lesson about the unfitness of Israel, as He had just come from the Temple and driven out the money changers ... another discussion.


Speaking to the fig tree and having it wither and die, is the context.


Yes it’s about prayer, as well as our prayer being answered by God, as He leads us and guides as to what to do.


“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. John 14:12-14


  • he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also;






JLB
 
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When we pray...
It's not like we are giving God new information that He doesn't know and needs to know.

God knows the hearts of men.

But prayers are for us...our benefit. Our chance to align our thoughts with God.

God will do what He wants, When He wants. Like God won't/can't do anything until you ask? Really?

That's not a reason to be disrespectful in prayers...
Telling God what and how He should do something...kinda rude and stupid. Being exasperated with God is also unwise when you aren't getting your way. God hears all prayers.

That silent prayer...the ones that you are speechless and don't even know where to start because your heart is so broken...those can be heard over the roar of millions of people asking to win the lottery every day of the week.

Prayers aren't some form of magic incantation. It might look that way. But they are for us...not God. They might be pleasing to God...or insulting (your choice)
God has his plans and we have ours. It's not a good idea to try and make God get on our program. God is exceptional at making you to look like an idiot.
 
JLB said:
The context of Jesus teaching begins when He spoke to the fig that was unfruitful and it withered and died.
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As always you do a great job of explaining and clarifying what the Bible says.

Why direct it at me the person trying to get intelligent replies and not to the person making incoherent biblical posts?
 
Who Me said:
As always you do a great job of explaining and clarifying what the Bible says.

Why direct it at me the person trying to get intelligent replies and not to the person making incoherent biblical posts?
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Okay... well you just accused him of an incoherent post...
I understood what point he was making just fine before. I don't understand why you don't understand how the verse he posted is not relevant to the discussion.
And we want an explanation as to why you don't see the relationship of the verse and the subject matter we were discussing.
 
Who Me , it'a apparent you got triggered by a verse of scripture that gets misused by some in the church. Their misuse doesn't mean there is not a legitimate use and application of that verse. I suspect you have discarded that verse and others altogether instead of seeking God as to their proper use and application.
 
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If we begin (some of us continuing the practice) of speaking in fragments of Psalms and songs how are you going to be able to communicate in code like the rest of us?

It's a commandment for us to practice this...using a fragment of metaphoric prose to communicate a larger truth so that others around us eavesdropping don't understand what we are saying.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Who Me , it'a apparent you got triggered by a verse of scripture that gets misused by some in the church. Their misuse doesn't mean there is not a legitimate use and application of that verse. I suspect you have discarded that verse and others altogether instead of seeking God as to their proper use and application.
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No I react badly to chucks of scripture dropped in with no comment or explanation.

Fine for those who understand a secret code of talking, but that isn't how Paul exhorted people to preach, he stated we renounce secret ways, clearly proclaiming the gospel.
 
Who Me said:
No I react badly to chucks of scripture dropped in with no comment or explanation.
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Instead of speaking for you, I've been trying to get you to state what perceived belief you are resisting. So, let's start with that. Tell us what you don't agree with about the subject of this thread since you have not come right out and done that yet....unless I've missed one of your posts.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Instead of speaking for you, I've been trying to get you to state what perceived belief you are resisting. So, let's start with that. Tell us what you don't agree with about the subject of this thread since you have not come right out and done that yet....unless I've missed one of your posts.
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I don't object to the subject of the thread.

Just to random posting of scripture. If there is no comment with a verse it is a random post.
 
Who Me said:
I don't object to the subject of the thread.

Just to random posting of scripture. If there is no comment with a verse it is a random post.
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Ummm...no...not to the rest of us who understood exactly what he was saying by posting that verse.

And you still haven't answered our question about how you didn't understand what the verse says and intends towards the subject.
 
JohnDB said:
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If we begin (some of us continuing the practice) of speaking in fragments of Psalms and songs how are you going to be able to communicate in code like the rest of us?

It's a commandment for us to practice this...using a fragment of metaphoric prose to communicate a larger truth so that others around us eavesdropping don't understand what we are saying.
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That is true. When Jesus was in the desert for 40 days to be tempted, he responded to the devil with scripture, and He didn't add any extraneous comments to it, just what the scripture says. It was enough, the devil didn't confuse the context, lol.

It used to rub me the wrong way a wee bit for someone to post scripture with no comment but it doesn't take much to meditate upon the verse for a moment to grasp how it fits into the conversation.
 
Edward said:
So many Brothers & Sisters are probably praying wrong. Myself included, I did that this morning! Scripture is telling us to...speak to the problem about God (in Jesus name!), not speak to God about the problem.
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As a blood bought child of God through the Spiritual rebirth God's grace through faith gives us the power and authority through the name of Jesus and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. We do not have to pray about personal needs, but by faith to speak it once and thank God for that which He has already promised us per our needs. Wants is a different ballgame.

Example: Lord, you know I need a job and I thank you that you are going to open that door and help me to walk through it.

Praying for others and their needs, we just need to stand in agreement with them as they send their petitions before the Lord and thank Him for their need. Spoken faith is trusting in all the promises of God for our well being as we activate our trust in Him.

Philippians 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
 
JohnDB said:
Easy guys...

Can anyone tell me the first recorded prayer in scripture?
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Genesis 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

If you list every prayer in the Bible it takes 10 pages. look up Herbert Lockyer's "All The Prayers Of The Bible"

www.lbdsoftware.com Herbert Lockyer's "All The Prayers Of The Bible"
 
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