Is God Love conditional or unconditional?

[ozell]

Deut 30v:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

the Lord set the table

choose

1Cor 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

 

[ozell]

Heb 5:8: Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Abraham and Noah understood the conditions

Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

obedience is the condition

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

 

[ozell]

here is the condition Jesus set forth to those that love him

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[DrFrank]

Re: God's Love Is Very Conditional

Not only is God's love conditional but unlike what the "once saved always saved" theory teaches,it is conditioned on our continuing obedience:

Mark 13:13 (Contemporary English Version)

13Everyone will hate you because of me. But if you keep on being faithful right to the end, you will be saved.

Considering the murder and torture of Christians that will occur during the Tribulation,that's rather frightening isn't it? :verysad

Oh wait I just came up with a solution: :angel RAPTURE !! :onfire

 

[Adullam]

There is no love outside of God either conditionally or unconditionally.

God is love. That is His condition.

 

[Mysteryman]

Re: God's Love Is Very Conditional

Not only is God's love conditional but unlike what the "once saved always saved" theory teaches,it is conditioned on our continuing obedience:

Mark 13:13 (Contemporary English Version)

13Everyone will hate you because of me. But if you keep on being faithful right to the end, you will be saved.

Considering the murder and torture of Christians that will occur during the Tribulation,that's rather frightening isn't it? :verysad

Oh wait I just came up with a solution: :angel RAPTURE !! :onfire

Hi

God's love is conditional. But there is no fear in Love. A loss of rewards for those who willingly walk in unrighteousness. But no loss in their salvation and eternal life. < I Corinth. 3:13 - 15

Christians will not go through the Tribulation, so it is not frightening at all !

"gathering up of the saints" before the tribulation of God.

 

[ozell]

Re: God's Love Is Very Conditional

"DrFrank"]Not only is God's love conditional but unlike what the "once saved always saved" theory teaches,it is conditioned on our continuing obedience:

Mark 13:13 (Contemporary English Version)

13Everyone will hate you because of me. But if you keep on being faithful right to the end, you will be saved.

Considering the murder and torture of Christians that will occur during the Tribulation,that's rather frightening isn't it? :verysad

Thanks for your understanding! :amen

 

[ozell]

Re: God's Love Is Very Conditional

Hi

God's love is conditional. But there is no fear in Love. A loss of rewards for those who willingly walk in unrighteousness. But no loss in their salvation and eternal life. < I Corinth. 3:13 - 15

Christians will not go through the Tribulation, so it is not frightening at all !

"gathering up of the saints" before the tribulation of God

God Love is conditional :amen

there will be saints in the GT!

Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

 

[ozell]

There is no love outside of God either conditionally or unconditionally.

God is love. That is His condition.

John

Jesus said

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

if we love him the conditions are to keep his commandments

if people don't love him, then these are those who don't keep his commandments

 

[ozell]

the condition set forth by the Jesus to receive the Holy spirit is this

Jesus said

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16: And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17: Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

in order to receive the Holy spirit we have to keep the commandments!!!

the condition required !

 

[ozell]

ADD TO YOUR FAITH

II PETER 1:1-11

1. Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2. Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3. According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4. Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6. And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7. And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11. For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[ozell]

VIRTUE - Moral excellence, righteousness and goodness.

KNOWLEDGE - Awareness, understanding gained through experience or study.

TEMPERANCE - Moderation, self restraint.

PATIENCE - The capacity of calm endurance.

GODLINESS - Having reverence for God, Pious, devout, divine.

BROTHERLY KINDNESS - Quality or state of being sympathetic, concerned.

CHARITY - Help or alms giving to the poor.

all conditions for faith

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

conditional


Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[ozell]

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

the condition Jesus had Paul write is this

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully

after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,

there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

here comes the punishment

27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries

29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God.,....................................

 

[ozell]

conditional


Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

:amen

I was kicked off a forum after this lesson received over 11,000 views.

It is a blessing that the Lord has opened many eyes here to see that his love requires obedience to him!!!

 

[Mysteryman]

Re: God's Love Is Very Conditional

Hi

God's love is conditional. But there is no fear in Love. A loss of rewards for those who willingly walk in unrighteousness. But no loss in their salvation and eternal life. < I Corinth. 3:13 - 15

Christians will not go through the Tribulation, so it is not frightening at all !

"gathering up of the saints" before the tribulation of God

God Love is conditional :amen

there will be saints in the GT!

Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Hi

There will be no christians in the gt. Saints, yes, Christian saints, no !

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

There is no saints but Christian ones

 

[Vic C.]

There is no love outside of God either conditionally or unconditionally.

God is love. That is His condition.

I concur and add... unconditional. We mere humans can barely grasp the concept of agape, yet we restrain and box the Creator of All with our limited understanding. How sad! The Bible tells of HIS agape love and yes, it also reveals HE is just, but the greatest of His attributes is love!

One day the whole world will finally get it, but for some, it may be too late.

 

[handy]

I agree Vic. Our misunderstandings about whether or not God's love is conditional or unconditional stems from the fact that to thoroughly understand God's love is to claim to understand God Himself, for God is love. And, we mere, sinful mortals cannot fathom such things.

We can (and do) seek to fathom it though. In my own searchings on this issue, I've come down on the side of God's love being unconditional. While I do acknowledge that the texts shared thus far seem to indicate that God's love for us is conditional upon our obedience to Him, we need to remember just exactly what it is that enables us to even attempt such obedience. For this, we need to remember Romans 5:8:

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

That's the bottom line there. While we were yet sinners, wholly incapable of pleasing God or obeying Him in anyway, Christ died for us, opening to us that door to salvation, to obedience and to everlasting life. He loved us first, not because of anything we did or deserved, thus making it by definition unconditional, but because it is His very nature to love.

 

[ozell]

Re: God's Love Is Very Conditional

Hi

God's love is conditional. But there is no fear in Love. A loss of rewards for those who willingly walk in unrighteousness. But no loss in their salvation and eternal life. < I Corinth. 3:13 - 15

Christians will not go through the Tribulation, so it is not frightening at all !

"gathering up of the saints" before the tribulation of God

God Love is conditional :amen

there will be saints in the GT!

Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Hi

There will be no christians in the gt. Saints, yes, Christian saints, no !

what's the difference?