is hell real? and if so is it eternal?

[ORwarriOR]

Eternal punishment is DEATH. It is not TORTURE. You can't reverse the death of a soul, therefore it is eternal. They shall perish LIKE animals. Why else would the apostles say this, and how can you therefore say it's irrelevant; especially when they SPECIFIED the wicked. All men will perish in this lifetime, not just the wicked. Why else would they make that distinction? Otherwise they would have said "All men will perish like beasts, but the wicked will go on to eternal torment in hell"

 

[shad]

When are unbelievers punished?

Lord's day, the judgment day. They will get second death. It is death, not eternal torment.

 

[Guest]

Eternal punishment is DEATH. It is not TORTURE. You can't reverse the death of a soul, therefore it is eternal.

You just arent getting it, are you?

Man will die physically ONCE....then man is RESURRECTED.
By your views it makes NO SENSE to RESURRECT the wicked just to KILL them again, now does it ?
Your god seemingly likes to waste his time for some reason.

The FACTS from scripture as have been posted here ALREADY are that man WILL BE resurrected and THEN will enter eternal life or be cast into eternal torment in flame.
All youve presented so far is nothing more than what you want to believe, Im afraid.

They shall perish LIKE animals.

And MAN will BE RESURRECTED !
Some to LIFE....some to PUNISHMENT !

And these shall go away into eternal punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life.
(Mat 25:31-46 EMTV)

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(Joh 5)

 

[Guest]

"All men will perish like beasts, but the wicked will go on to eternal torment in hell"

Which, friend, when ALL of the data is accounted for, is EXACTLY what is shown.

All life will die at some point...but MAN will be RESURRECTED...some to eternal life....some to eternal punishment.
Simple enough

 

[shad]

Eternal torment in hell fire is out of concext. It is just outrageous to even think about it. God is not a cruel and sadistic God.

 

[Guest]

When are unbelievers punished?

Lord's day, the judgment day. They will get second death. It is death, not eternal torment.

The scriptures say you are wrong....altho I should have expected you to buy into this error as well.

And these shall go away into eternal punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life.
(Mat 25:31-46 EMTV)

eternal
G166
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ai?nios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).


G2851
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kolasis
kol'-as-is
From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(Rev 14:9-10 KJV)



G928
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basaniz?
bas-an-id'-zo
From G931; to torture: - pain, toil, torment, toss, vex.

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(Rev 14:11 KJV)

torment
G929
??????????
basanismos
bas-an-is-mos'
From G928; torture: - torment.

 

[Guest]

Eternal torment in hell fire is out of concext. It is just outrageous to even think about it. God is not a cruel and sadistic God.

...yawn....any evidence, at all shad...or is this just one more of your endless fallacies where we have to just take your word for it ?

ET is in PERFECT context.....if you say otherwise then PROVE IT !

 

[ORwarriOR]

They are resurrected for their judgment, and to feel the punishing flames of Geheena for their sin. If a man lives through life without facing punishment for his sin, would the Lord not punish him? The punishment is death. A very painful, and (hopefully) short-lived death. But it is still death regardless.

I think the problem is I am getting it because I am a compassionate selfless human being and I can't even begin to think of heaven as a good place if it means millions upon millions would have to suffer for me to enjoy it. It's just not right.

And again I bring you back to that verse in peter. The wicked will pass away like animals. Never to be remembered. They will face their judgment and then die. If that verse holds no meaning and it's just some redundant addition to the bible, then you are doubting that all scripture is God breathed, and basically saying it needs to be taken out because it's pointless. Because if they were just stating the obvious that all men would perish they are pretty much stating common knowledge and there really wouldn't be a point of it being in there.

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Those scriptures that you quoted indicate the truths that the pain in Geheena is going to be unbearable and of course they aren't going to rest while it's going on. It indicates that the smoke of their remains will rise up eternally.

From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.

Open your mind and just accept it. The death of the wicked will hurt. It's still punishment. But to think it's going to last an eternity (other than the death itself) goes against all scriptural evidence against it, and it goes against the very nature of our merciful lord and love for his creations.

 

[Guest]

They are resurrected for their judgment,

Good...you admit that they are resurrected.
Now that we have this on record we can proceed...

 

[shad]

Eternal torment in hell fire is out of concext. It is just outrageous to even think about it. God is not a cruel and sadistic God.

...yawn....any evidence, at all shad...or is this just one more of your endless fallacies where we have to just take your word for it ?

ET is in PERFECT context.....if you say otherwise then PROVE IT !

Do you know that the Bible says God is love throughout? Loving God has nothing to do with cruelty and sadism.

 

[Guest]

If a man lives through life without facing punishment for his sin, would the Lord not punish him? The punishment is death. A very painful, and (hopefully) short-lived death. But it is still death regardless.

Sorry gent, but the scriptures SAYS that death and hell will face the 'second death' which is the lake of fire which CONCLUSIVELY is shown as being eternal torture for those put in that place...

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20:14-15 KJV)

But the cowardly, and unbelieving, and sinners, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and drug users, and idolaters, and all who are false shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
(Rev 21:8 EMTV)

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(Rev 14:9-11 KJV)


torment
G929
??????????
basanismos
bas-an-is-mos'
From G928; torture: - torment.

 

[ORwarriOR]

Eternal torment in hell fire is out of concext. It is just outrageous to even think about it. God is not a cruel and sadistic God.

...yawn....any evidence, at all shad...or is this just one more of your endless fallacies where we have to just take your word for it ?

ET is in PERFECT context.....if you say otherwise then PROVE IT !

Do you know that the Bible says God is love throughout? Loving God has nothing to do with cruelty and sadism.

:amen

My God is a loving merciful deity, and I pray every day for him to reveal truths to me and hope that the face of Christianity will change for the better. I could NEVER imagine him torturing someone for an eternity. Not even hitler. Because even if hitler is punished sevenfold for the pain he inflicted it still doesn't equal up to an eternity.

“And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.†– Micah 6:8

My God requires that I love mercy. I certainly wouldn't be loving mercy if I thought I could enjoy heaven while millions of people suffered for an eternity. That certainly wouldn't be justice either.

 

[Guest]

Eternal torment in hell fire is out of concext. It is just outrageous to even think about it. God is not a cruel and sadistic God.

...yawn....any evidence, at all shad...or is this just one more of your endless fallacies where we have to just take your word for it ?

ET is in PERFECT context.....if you say otherwise then PROVE IT !

Do you know that the Bible says God is love throughout? Loving God has nothing to do with cruelty and sadism.

Again, gent, do you have ANY evidence to refute ET or not ?
If not then move along.

 

[Guest]

:amen

My God is a loving merciful deity, and I pray every day for him to reveal truths to me and hope that the face of Christianity will change for the better. I could NEVER imagine him torturing someone for an eternity. Not even hitler. Because even if hitler is punished sevenfold for the pain he inflicted it still doesn't equal up to an eternity.

“And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.†– Micah 6:8

My God requires that I love mercy. I certainly wouldn't be loving mercy if I thought I could enjoy heaven while millions of people suffered for an eternity. That certainly wouldn't be justice either.

Huh....really ?

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(Rev 14:9-10 KJV)

There is something about God that apparently some of you dont want to acknowledge here....


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[Guest]

And again I bring you back to that verse in peter. The wicked will pass away like animals. Never to be remembered. They will face their judgment and then die.

Sorry gent, but that simply doesnt line up with Gods word.

Those scriptures that you quoted indicate the truths that the pain in Geheena is going to be unbearable and of course they aren't going to rest while it's going on. It indicates that the smoke of their remains will rise up eternally.

Wrong...it SAYS they will get NO REST.....read for once for pities sake.....

open your mind and just accept it.

I dont accept any godless fallacy....deal with it

The death of the wicked will hurt. It's still punishment. But to think it's going to last an eternity (other than the death itself) goes against all scriptural evidence against it, and it goes against the very nature of our merciful lord and love for his creations.

Wrong.
Its going against YOUR view of who YOU want God to be....

 

[ORwarriOR]

If a man lives through life without facing punishment for his sin, would the Lord not punish him? The punishment is death. A very painful, and (hopefully) short-lived death. But it is still death regardless.

Sorry gent, but the scriptures SAYS that death and hell will face the 'second death' which is the lake of fire which CONCLUSIVELY is shown as being eternal torture for those put in that place...

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20:14-15 KJV)

But the cowardly, and unbelieving, and sinners, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and drug users, and idolaters, and all who are false shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
(Rev 21:8 EMTV)

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(Rev 14:9-11 KJV)


torment
G929
??????????
basanismos
bas-an-is-mos'
From G928; torture: - torment.

You keep repeating the same scripture which have been interpreted based on pagan beliefs. It says the second death. Man dies once and faces judgment. When you die that is death. The second death is after you face your judgment and are thrown into the lake of fire to suffer your punishment and then have your soul extinguished for an eternity.The second death is still a death even if it is a painful one. You can throw out all concepts of justice and mercy if you want to keep believing in eternal torture. But even if this was true. I would gladly exchange my eternity in paradise and have my soul extinguished in exchange for the "true death" (since you want to redefine the meaning of death for the second death) of the millions of souls who are suffering, because I just couldn't enjoy heaven if that was the case.

Wrong.
Its going against YOUR view of who YOU want God to be....

My God LOVES justice and mercy. Eternal torture is not justice OR mercy.

 

[Guest]

You keep repeating the same scripture

You keep making the same absurd comments requiring the same responses.
Stop forcing me to give the same responses and I wont have to do it again

which have been interpreted based on pagan beliefs.

....yawn....
its alway the pagans or the translators with you folks. Everyone got it all wrong till you came on the scene.....sure thing ;)

 

[ORwarriOR]

Would you give up your eternity in paradise for suffering souls or are you more concerned with your own happiness?

 

[Guest]

It says the second death.

Which is defined in scripture as a perpetual lake of fire where souls will be tormented perpetually....

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(Rev 14:11 KJV)

torment
G929
??????????
basanismos
bas-an-is-mos'
From G928; torture: - torment.

See ?
If you dont WANT to see that again then StOP forcing me to use it

 

[Guest]

Would you give up your eternity in paradise for suffering souls or are you more concerned with your own happiness?

here we go with the Red Herrings and Strawmen again.
Stick to the topic, please.