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Is Hell Real?

as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities around them, committing greedily fornication, in like manner with them, and going after other flesh, lie there as an example, undergoing the judgment of eternal fire. Jude 1:7 Darby Translation

Look what the bible says.

Sodom and Gomorah suffered eternal fire. But they are not still burning until this day. It is the consequences that were eternal.

That is not what the scripture teaches, what this tells us is the cities around Sodom and Gomorrah were given an example of what lay in store for the disobedient, Sodom and Gomorrah was but a flash in comparison to the condemned as theirs will be much the same but for an eternity!
 
Heaven is a metaphor for the state of the people (souls) those With God,
Hell is the opposite, it is to be disconnected permanently from God's grace.

When we disobey one of the Lord's commandments, we are disciplined. This is hell.

When we repent of our sin, there is nothing to be disciplined for. This is heaven, I believe.
 
Originally posted by rrowell,

That is not what the scripture teaches, what this tells us is the cities around Sodom and Gomorrah were given an example of what lay in store for the disobedient, Sodom and Gomorrah was but a flash in comparison to the condemned as theirs will be much the same but for an eternity!

A statement such as this (above) - which is quite common in Christendom today - shows that agnostics and atheists "out there" in the world are actually much closer to the truth and have more of God's favor than most religious people who call themselves "Christians".

Plutarch, the famous Greek biographer, once wrote, "I would rather a great deal of men should say there was no such man at all as Plutarch, than that they should say there was the Plutarch that would eat his children as soon as they were born."  

Plutarch preferred to have people deny his existence rather than have them hold a loathsome, unworthy conception of his character. Taking this idea into sphere of religion we could raise the question as to whether it would be more pleasing to God to have His existence denied or to have men hold and espouse a twisted and unworthy conception of His character. 

In this world far more people hold despicable concepts of God than deny His existence!  There are fewer atheists in the world than religious folk who continually malign and slander the character of God - slander such as claiming that God tortures His unbelieving subjects in hellfire throughout the everlasting ages of eternity! This isn't the Gospel of Christ, which is love, unity, and light; it is the gospel of Antichrist, which is hate, exclusivity, and darkness! The Bible knows of no such God who would decree the hideous fate of everlasting punishment to His children.  No more terrible, degrading insult than that of eternal torture in Hell was ever given to God - in the history of the world.

Most Christians today are oblivious to the fact that Antichrist is in their midst. Not just in their midst, but "they themselves" ARE Antichrist. Antichrist is a theocratic BEAST, a belief system, that derives its power from the devil, rooted in the carnal mind of human beings, organized into a massive kingdom of darkness, error, and superstition which MASQUERADES AS CHRIST'S KINGDOM - and it is here right now - it has been here for over 19 centuries. Most Christians praise antichrist and glorify in its shame every Sunday.

Of all the blasphemous absurdities spewed forth from the abyss of the twisted Antichrist church system, eternal damnation in Hell is definitely the worst; a lie intended to scare poor souls into her clutches in order to rob them of their dollars, a lie which makes our God of love to be a hideous monster, an insane and sadistic monstrosity who takes delight in tormenting and torturing His creatures made in His own image, a lie which makes our Savior to be nothing but a lunatic and a deceiver beyond any and all. It makes Calvary to be the most awful travesty ever enacted on Earth.

I cannot think of a more horrible thing to say about our loving God - it makes me irate to even think about it. Some heads are gonna roll for sure, and unbeknownst to most of Christendom, God's wrath is going to be directed right at them. And praise God! :pray
 
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I wish I could answer the OP question, but I'll never know for sure. The Bible says that hell is real. That's good enough for me.

I honestly don't know why anyone would care to ask the question outside of what the bible says, if God is the word and we are to believe the word of God.
 
ah yes the old tirade that rcc is the ac.hmm that same church that gave us the bible for the most part. yeah it went wrong, but well so did isreal with the pharisees. even protestant are wrong at times. this why we must check all doctrines periodically.

i used to not believe in either hell or the trinity. i was a jw, then. now i have found they were wrong.
 
In this world far more people hold despicable concepts of God than deny His existence! There are fewer atheists in the world than religious folk who continually malign and slander the character of God - slander such as claiming that God tortures His unbelieving subjects in hellfire throughout the everlasting ages of eternity! This isn't the Gospel of Christ, which is love, unity, and light; it is the gospel of Antichrist, which is hate, exclusivity, and darkness! The Bible knows of no such God who would decree the hideous fate of everlasting punishment to His children. No more terrible, degrading insult than that of eternal torture in Hell was ever given to God - in the history of the world.

These are the words from the Bible, not mine:

John 3:36 (KJV)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Ephesians 5:6 (KJV)
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Colossians 3:6 (KJV)
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Revelation 16:1 (KJV)
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Revelation 19:15 (KJV)
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

God loves all (even you) until the final day...
 
Hell as a metaphor does not deny the doctrine of hell. It only questions how the terms are to be understood.

(Mark 9:43-44) "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched -- where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'

If hell is a metaphor, entering life is also a metaphor.

I don't think 'hell as a metaphor' is either biblical or 'based on a sound doctrine'.
 
(Mark 9:43-44) "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched -- where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'

If hell is a metaphor, entering life is also a metaphor.

I don't think 'hell as a metaphor' is either biblical or 'based on a sound doctrine'.

If hell is not a metaphor how come you don't see more one-eyed one-armed Christians. There never has been. If these scriptures are literal, then we are either all disobedient, or none of us really believe it.
 
met·a·phor
[ méttə fàwr ]


  • implicit comparison: the use to describe somebody or something of a word or phrase that is not meant literally but by means of a vivid comparison expresses something about him, her, or it, e.g. saying that somebody is a snake.
Jesus said Himself:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matt 5:22 (KJV)

The one who sustains this attitude toward his fellow is "in danger of the hell of fire." Literally this means "the Gehenna of fire."—Gospel Advocate Commentaries

Literally is the key word here...to be taken literally, not metaphorically.
 
Some questions to the literalists...


  • How are bodies going to burn forever in a fire, still being conscious, without dying or being consumed?
  • Are these bodies literal, or are they different to what we know?
  • Is the fire literal, or is it different to what we know?
  • How is a worm present in the fire without being consumed?
  • What did the worm do to deserve hell-fire?
  • Are there any other animals in hell?
That will do. I would love you to explain this literally.
 
If hell is not a metaphor how come you don't see more one-eyed one-armed Christians. There never has been. If these scriptures are literal, then we are either all disobedient, or none of us really believe it.

What the verse in Mark 9:43-44 suggests is very true for Christians. What makes you think the below is not literal? Just because you did not cut makes the inspired Word of God false?

If [a Christian] hand causes you to sin, [let him] cut it off. It is better for [him] to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched -- where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'
 
Some questions to the literalists...

The literalists "as you have labeled them have used a good scripture to illustrate... lets look at it...

  • How are bodies going to burn forever in a fire, still being conscious, without dying or being consumed?
We in the verse discussed (Mat. 5:22) are talking about the soul, the body will return to the dust, the soul to God who gave it:


Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV)
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

What God has taught us is our soul is subject to the Judgment of Jesus, I doubt you claim otherwise... in this verse the soul is destined for "hell fire", the Greek word here used is transliterated "Gehenna" designating this a different place than the Hebrew Sheol or Greek Hades (or the place of the dead), the Body will die, the soul will live for eternity in this case in Gehenna...


  • Are these bodies literal, or are they different to what we know?
See above!


  • Is the fire literal, or is it different to what we know?
As BornAgain has said Hell (the place) should be taken as literal as you do Heaven (the place), but in both (the places) the blessings and torments alike are metaphorically represented as there is no other way for the human to understand (comprehend) the actual reality of each as it will feel like to us!


  • How is a worm present in the fire without being consumed?
See metaphor described Above!


  • What did the worm do to deserve hell-fire?
See metaphor described Above!


  • Are there any other animals in hell?
Hope to never find out!
 
Originally posted by Tri Unity,

Hell as a metaphor does not deny the doctrine of hell. It only questions how the terms are to be understood.

Exactly Tri Unity. People are so brainwashed by the "eternal torture chamber" ruse that they twist and conform any and every mention of the mistranslated word(s) to their own preconceived ideas.

First of all, the words "Eternal, Everlasting, Forever," etc., in the English Bible, signify endless duration. The original Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek, by 70 scholars, and hence called "The Septuagint," B.C. 200-300, and the Hebrew word Olam is, in almost all cases, translated Aión, Aiónios etc., (Aíwv, Aíwvios,) so that the two words may be regarded as synonymous with each other. In the New Testament the same words Aión and its derivatives, are the original Greek of the English words, Eternal, Everlasting, Forever, etc. The Greek Aión - Aiónios does not denote endless duration, and endless punishment is not taught in the Bible. There is nothing in the derivation, lexicography or usage of the word to warrant us in understanding it to convey the thought of endless duration.

Are the judgments of God permanent? Isaiah says, "When Your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness" (Isaiah 26:9). And Matthew 12:20 says, "A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench, till He send forth judgment unto victory."

Judgment, therefore, is not an eternal condition, but it is given to produce that victory. Judgments of themselves do not save anyone, but they are used by God to bring one to one's self, to effect a change of attitude and will, to consume away the stubbornness and rebellion of men.

An ounce of common sense should be sufficient to understand. DEATH IS TO BE ABOLISHED. Paul declares; "The LAST enemy that shall be destroyed is DEATH" (1 Corinthians 15:26), overthrows the whole structure of accepted, but unproved, theology which shuts up the mass of the human race in "eternal torture, or eternal death." When the "last" enemy is abolished it is self-evident that none remains. The self-righteous religionists who demand the endlessness of death, who argue for eternal torment in the lake of fire, the second death, do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. The lake of fire MUST END because death and hell are cast into it, which is the second death, and in the end THERE SHALL BE NO MORE DEATH.

No more death! No more first death. No more second death. No more of any kind of death. To say there is no more death is to say that there are no more sinners, for sinners are DEAD MEN, dead in trespasses and in sins. To say there is no more death is to say that God has not "burned up" all the wicked and left them dead, or in hell, for as long as any creature of God is in a state of death, death is not abolished. To say there is no more death is to say there is no more hell, for hell (Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, Tartarus, The Lake Of Fire) is "the realm of the dead." To say there is no more death is to say there is no more a lake of fire, for the lake of fire IS the second DEATH. To say there is no more death is to say there is no more sin, for "the wages of sin is DEATH." Yet most of Christendom cannot understand three words: NO MORE DEATH!

Most Christians have never stopped to think about the amazing words written in Revelation 2:11:

"He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the Churches; He that overcomes shall not be HURT of the second death."

The word "hurt" is from the Greek ADIKEO meaning to be unjust, do wrong, injure or offend. Thus Revelation 2:11: "He that overcomes shall not be done an injustice, wronged, injured or offended by the second death." This passage does not say that the overcomer experiences nothing of the second death, that he does not pass through it, or that its work is not employed in his life; but it says that he will not be "hurt" by it. It is possible to pass through the most terrible experience and not be hurt by it; the Bible verifies this:

"And these three men Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. Then Nebuchnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spoke, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they HAVE NO HURT; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God" (Daniel 3:23-25).

We can pass through the darkest night or the hottest fire and not be hurt by it if Jesus goes with us - as the book of Isaiah tells us:

"When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow you: and when you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon you" (Isaiah 43:2).

The difference between the unbeliever and the child of God is that the unbeliever is taken hand and foot and "cast" into the lake of fire, fighting, kicking, screaming, cursing, and resisting all the way, while the child of God willingly and obediently walks into the fiery processings of God hand in hand with his blessed Redeemer; knowing that in the end, it is beneficial and necessary. And, one way or the other, ALL MEN MUST DIE UNTO SIN.

But alas; the church's thinking is so narrow and dim that it cannot see past the primitive fleshly delusions it has created. :shame
 
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See metaphor described Above!

NONE of my question were answered, except to allow for some low-scale metaphors. You are picking and choosing parts that are literal and parts that are metaphors within the same statements. Is Abraham's bosom real? Is the spittle real? No, they are metaphors. You are so hungry for eternal torment that you are blind to the obvious.
 
Some questions to the literalists...


  • How are bodies going to burn forever in a fire, still being conscious, without dying or being consumed?
  • Are these bodies literal, or are they different to what we know?
  • Is the fire literal, or is it different to what we know?
  • How is a worm present in the fire without being consumed?
  • What did the worm do to deserve hell-fire?
  • Are there any other animals in hell?
That will do. I would love you to explain this literally.


I take the inspired Word of God literally, every word. If he speaks in parables or metaphorically that is how He wants to speak to us because we do not have His wisdom, obviously. We will never know all of the answers here, but I want to find hope and salvation and not try to worry about worms and such. If God says there is a heaven or a hell there is. The Bible is His inspired word, not to create doubt but to study and show thyself approved.
 
NONE of my question were answered, except to allow for some low-scale metaphors. You are picking and choosing parts that are literal and parts that are metaphors within the same statements. Is Abraham's bosom real? Is the spittle real? No, they are metaphors. You are so hungry for eternal torment that you are blind to the obvious.

Heaven has been no more described in the Bible than has Hell, why is it you choose to believe one exist and another not is beyond me (explain it to me metaphorically)
 
If God says there is a heaven or a hell there is.

I believe this too. I also know that God's inspired word was written cryptically in metaphors and parables. God wants us to examine everything closely, and not to assume too much. The Jews made this mistake with the doctrine of the trinity. They were told that God is one, and they took that literally. Jesus said the doctrine was meant to be a parable, for "the Father and I are one". The Jews just simply misunderstood this concept, as you do.
 
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