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Is it wrong to kiss icons?

Thank you. May I ask why you refute all the scriptures we have given you about the Godhead being in three forms in unity of each other? May I also ask what is your theology background for what you believe?
 
OK...The people worshipping things other than God are idolaters.
If tossing the worshipped object into the trash is sacrilege, the item thrown in the trash was a false idol.
What does this have to do with kissing icons? Still nope.
 
I don't. The Trinity is in scripture, but the doctrine isn't.
The Bible is the doctrine of the word of God within His being infallible in whom gave the Prophets and Apostles to write. These are the doctrines we believe in. Anything outside of that which has already been written only becomes speculations and the carnal mind in there perceptions if what is said does not line up with scripture. I really do not know what else I can give you. You either believe the scriptures I gave about the Trinity/Deity or you reject the whole of the word of God. It's time for me to move on. You have a blessed day :)
 
The Bible is the doctrine of the word of God within His being infallible in whom gave the Prophets and Apostles to write. These are the doctrines we believe in. Anything outside of that which has already been written only becomes speculations and the carnal mind in there perceptions if what is said does not line up with scripture. I really do not know what else I can give you. You either believe the scriptures I gave about the Trinity/Deity or you reject the whole of the word of God. It's time for me to move on. You have a blessed day :)
Where is the doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible?
 
The Bible is the doctrine of the word of God within His being infallible in whom gave the Prophets and Apostles to write. These are the doctrines we believe in. Anything outside of that which has already been written only becomes speculations and the carnal mind in there perceptions if what is said does not line up with scripture. I really do not know what else I can give you. You either believe the scriptures I gave about the Trinity/Deity or you reject the whole of the word of God. It's time for me to move on. You have a blessed day :)

1. Absence of Explicit Trinitarian Doctrine in Scripture

  • The Bible does not contain a passage that explicitly articulates the doctrine of the Trinity as later defined by the Church. Key elements, such as the co-equality, co-eternality, and consubstantiality of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are not presented in a systematic way in scripture.
  • Passages like the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19 (“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”) suggest a triadic pattern but do not elaborate on the ontological or relational nature of these three persons.

2. Development Through Early Church Councils

  • The formal doctrine of the Trinity was not fully articulated until the fourth century, particularly during the First Council of Nicaea (325 AD) and the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD). These councils clarified the nature of Christ's divinity and the relationship between the persons of the Trinity.
  • The Nicene Creed was a product of theological debates, especially against heresies like Arianism, which denied the full divinity of Christ. The doctrine of the Trinity emerged as a response to these challenges rather than being a direct scriptural exposition.

3. Philosophical and Theological Influences

  • The early Church Fathers employed philosophical concepts from Greek thought, such as "substance" (ousia) and "person" (hypostasis), to articulate the Trinity. These terms are not scriptural but were adapted to address theological disputes and define the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
  • The use of extra-biblical language and categories to define the Trinity suggests that the doctrine is a theological construct developed by the Church to interpret and synthesize scriptural themes.

4. Scriptural Ambiguities and Diversity

  • Different parts of the Bible emphasize different aspects of God. The Old Testament presents a strong monotheistic view, while the New Testament introduces the divinity of Christ and the Holy Spirit. However, these elements are not systematically integrated into a unified Trinitarian framework.
  • For instance, John’s Gospel emphasizes the divinity of Jesus, while Paul's epistles highlight the work of the Spirit. The Church’s synthesis of these diverse elements into the Trinity reflects its interpretive work rather than an explicit biblical teaching.

5. Historical Evidence of Disagreement

  • In the early centuries of Christianity, various interpretations of God’s nature coexisted. Groups like the Arians, Sabellians, and others drew different conclusions from scripture. The diversity of early beliefs indicates that the Trinity was not a self-evident doctrine derived from the Bible alone.
  • The Church’s councils and creeds were necessary to enforce orthodoxy, further suggesting that the doctrine was shaped by ecclesiastical authority rather than being directly and unambiguously taught in scripture.
 
I say it, and will say it again...idolizing man made stuff is idolatry.
Bend the knee to it, kiss it; you show the idolization of stone, wood, and paint.
Then it's just your opinion. You're not even basing it on scripture, let alone Holy Tradition
 
Then it's just your opinion. You're not even basing it on scripture, let alone Holy Tradition
It is written..."Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God." (Lev 26:1)
A thing is an idol if it is called "sacred".
It is written..."Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands." (Ps 115:4) That would seem to cover "paintings" too.

When traditions take precedent over scripture, you end up with Jesus' land of Sadducees and Pharisee's who uphold tradition above scripture.
 
It is written..."Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God." (Lev 26:1)
A thing is an idol if it is called "sacred".
It is written..."Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands." (Ps 115:4) That would seem to cover "paintings" too.
You just said "I say it" not "scripture says it"

No mention of icons or kissing, so according to your beloved Sola Scriptura you have no argument and you're just getting mad about people venerating icons
When traditions take precedent over scripture, you end up with Jesus' land of Sadducees and Pharisee's who uphold tradition above scripture.
Does it say that in Scripture 😂
 
You just said "I say it" not "scripture says it
I said it, than supplied the scriptures.
No mention of icons or kissing, so according to your beloved Sola Scriptura you have no argument and you're just getting mad about people venerating icons
Does it say that in Scripture
If you are OK with idolatry, I won't be able to scripturally convince you otherwise.
 
I said it, than supplied the scriptures.

If you are OK with idolatry, I won't be able to scripturally convince you otherwise.
No mention of kissing. No mention of icons. You keep calling it idolatry without proving that it is. No one thinks the icons are a god. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. It's like you people want it to be idolatry because you have an irrational hatred of the Apostolic Church.
 
No mention of kissing. No mention of icons. You keep calling it idolatry without proving that it is. No one thinks the icons are a god. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. It's like you people want it to be idolatry because you have an irrational hatred of the Apostolic Church.
"People like me"...would not be seen kneeling to, or kissing, any painting.
That is idolatry.
 
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