IS JESUS CHRIST GOD?

[Episcopius]

Non-Trinnies and Not-Godders spout their stuff at all the boards I have been to.

 

[for_his_glory]

How could you know better than me in what denomination that I attended? It is the same as I saying to you that you are a Catholic, because the trinity doctrine is origin from the Catholic church. Mormon keep the Sunday rest just like you do. But we Adventist of Seven day kept the Saturday Sabbath as the day of rest. O! My God help me!

I know better because I study the origins of different religions to educate myself on them. I'm not a catholic nor do I attend any organized religions. The origin never started with the Catholic Church, even though they believe in the Trinity. The origin of the Trinity is God's own by His Spirit that has no beginning nor end as He has always been and forever more will be.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry my friend if you declared that the Father of Jesus have a body, you are far away from home. Is there anybody that can show this brother that God THE FATHER is a Spirit, and we must worship Him in Spirit and truth? I need some help. O! My Lord, forgive them, because they don't know they are saying! Bless

First off I am a sister, not a brother, but that's OK.

It was Joseph Smith who wrote the Book of Mormon, the founder of the LDS church that you faithfully follow, who said, God is the Supreme Being of the universe. However, He gradually acquired that position over a long period of time by living a perfect and righteous life. The Book of Mormon - God the Father has a body (flesh and bones), DC 130:22.

 

[for_his_glory]

Think my friend, how can I be a Mormon, and Ellen G White is my prophet? The inspired pen of God? Help me Lord! Have mercy on me!!

First you need to look up Mormon and his son Moroni and the golden plates that Joseph Smith used as he used a seer stone and heard a medium that he thought was Christ speaking to him telling him what to write. This will explain the Mormon part that the LDS follows in the Egyptian writings of heresy that make up the Book of Mormon and The Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price which are also viewed as divinely authoritative by the LDS Church.

 

[Episcopius]

It is said the plates were written in "Reformed Egyptian".
In reality, there is NO SUCH THING as "Reformed Egyptian".

The Book of Mormon is Science Fiction in King James English.
Allegedly, Joseph looked into his hat at the rock or seer stone and dictated to someone who wrote it down. In King James English - not American English of 1830.

 

[Episcopius]

The Mormon god lives near Kolob, which Mormons don't know whether that's a planet or a star.
God has a flesh and bone body, and used to be human.

 

[Episcopius]

The BOOK OF ABRAHAM is a work Joseph Smith contrived after obtaining a papyrus scroll which was actually an Egyptian funerary text (having nothing to do with Abraham).

 

[for_his_glory]

Known as the JOHANNINE COMMA - 1 John 5:7 is deemed by many scholars to be a gloss - non-trinnies SQUEAL LIKE PIGS if that verse is used as proof of Trinity.

Annoyed by their squealing, I do not use 1 John 5:17 as a proof of Trinity. NON-TRINNIES and NOT-GODDERS generally make me nauseous. This is re-inventing the wheel of dogma to be talking about this in the present.

The first council proclaiming the Nicene Creed had that version aimed at the NOT-GODDERS led by Arius and his followers. The second and final version of the Nicene Creed added more on the Holy Spirit:

"We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father. With the Father and the Son, He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets."

Centuries later, the FILIOQUE was added to the western church's creed, saying the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND THE SON - this is spurious, and the creed from the second council's version had already been carved in stone in the steps of the Vatican without the filioque (in other words -

"proceeds from the Father. With the father and the Son, He is worshipped and glorified"

- I dunno why the phrase AND THE SON was put in regarding procession, but its wrong.

NON-TRINNIES AND NOT-GODDERS cover a lot of erroneous doctrine, many people - a lot - are both -- denying the Trinity as well as the fact that Jesus is God.

John Milton, who wrote PARADISE LOST, is one who is a NON-TRINNIE but not a NOT-GODDER...
Oneness Pentecostals are modern day versions of that view.

We are centuries past these heresies - yet today's message-boards have threads from time to time by modern-day hairy-ticks who bark that there aint no Trinity, and/or that The Son is not God.

The Trinity can be seen as far back as "Let us make man in our own image".

If you don't believe in the Trinity - you're just WRONG.
If you don't believe Jesus is God - you be hairy-tick.

Please do not use worlds like NOT-Godders and hairy-tick to describe those who do not believe as others do. It's very degrading and comes against the ToS 1.5. Let this be a friendly warning.

 

[Episcopius]

Acknowledged.

 

[Episcopius]

Recently, like within a few months, Moroni's trumpet fell off the Temple in Salt Lake City during some bad weather.
(I don't know if it has been replaced yet).
Apparently, Moroni is the Trumpet-Blower for the Mormons.

Where Gabriel got the job in Christianity as Trumpet-Blower is a mystery. Somehow Gabriel got promoted to ArchAngel, even though in the Bible Michael is the only angel ever called an ArchAngel. A popular hymn has Gabriel blowing the trumpet, and someone promoted him to ArchAngel.

 

[Episcopius]

Moroni's trumpet was recovered from where it landed, but I still don't know if it is fully repaired.

 

[for_his_glory]

The angels in heaven didn't sin. But Satan and his demons well and sooner they all die, with the humans that don't obey God.

Satan being an angel as angels are spirit form and can never die.

Angels are essentially “ministering spirits,” (Hebrews 1:14) and do not have physical bodies like humans and can not die. Jesus declared that “a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have” (Luke 24:37-39).

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is only One True God and His Son.
So follow me, God THE FATHER is God and Jesus His Son is also God, but not the God.
Let me explain to you. I am human and my son is also human. A dog is animal and his son is also animal. God is a tittle who you are. Just as human, animal and plant... .

1. The LDS church teaches that humans exist as spirit beings before their birth.
2. At physical birth, bodies are given to these spirits. They are also given an opportunity for free-will choice. The physical world represents a period of probation. The status of a person in the afterlife is determined by the way that person lived his/her life on Earth. If the person lived by a satisfactory standard, (including the fulfillment of Mormon temple obligations) that person has the potential to become a god in the after-life.
3. The person can also produce "spirit children" to populate a world of his own (like God did with the earth).

 

[for_his_glory]

One can be right. I defend myself completely with the Bible. Let they show you if the Holy Spirit is really a God, and was always in existence, why is any record that we can find in the Bible that he has spoken with Jesus or God the Father. Ask them to show you chapters and verses. Galatians 1:1-10. This is my shoe.

We have shown you the scriptures, but you refuse to accept what has already been written in the Bible. I have shown you the heresies that Joseph Smith and Ellen G. Getty-White have written and you agree with them so you need to think where is your understanding coming from, man or the Holy Spirit.

 

[Pipiripi]

I know better because I study the origins of different religions to educate myself on them. I'm not a catholic nor do I attend any organized religions. The origin never started with the Catholic Church, even though they believe in the Trinity. The origin of the Trinity is God's own by His Spirit that has no beginning nor end as He has always been and forever more will be.

Where in the Bible I can read greetings in three Godhead? Specially in the books of the apostles? Why their greetings are only in two person? The Holy Spirit don't deserve greeting?

 

[for_his_glory]

You guys need to understand both sides of this subject. Jesus is not God. Both are not The Holy Spirit.
Remember Jesus leaving earth:

And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor—Counselor, Strengthener, Standby), to be with you forever— the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive [and take to its heart] because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He (the Holy Spirit) remains with you continually and will be in you.
John 14:16‭-‬17 AMP

Jesus is in Heaven. We have the Holy Spirit here.
Not the same. Yet they are the same in some way.
I think that we really can't understand this fully..
It is over our feeble minds..
Let's be humble to what we don't really understand!
Shalom!!

There use to be a saying back in the 70's. God is like 3in1 oil. It's all oil, but has many functions.
I agree as none of us can fully know what the Trinity is, but to only know in part.

 

[Pipiripi]

We have shown you the scriptures, but you refuse to accept what has already been written in the Bible. I have shown you the heresies that Joseph Smith and Ellen G. Getty-White have written and you agree with them so you need to think where is your understanding coming from, man or the Holy Spirit.

When they became Adventist movement they get the light of the 10 Commandments. It is better to study only the SDA fundamental. Or should I have to write a book here of our foundation?

 

[Pipiripi]

There use to be a saying back in the 70's. God is like 3in1 oil. It's all oil, but has many functions.
I agree as none of us can fully know what the Trinity is, but to only know in part.

I know completely the truth, but they shall delete it before you can read it.

 

[for_his_glory]

God and Jesus have exactly the same face. Read John 14:8-9. The Holy Spirit is Jesus Himself in us.

Are you speaking of a physical face?

 

[for_his_glory]

The Holy Spirit has no name. But you don't have answered me where in the Bible I can read that the Holy Spirit has spoken with Jesus or God or both. Which chapters and verses? If he is God then we must find somewhere that he has spoken with the two other gods.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.