IS JESUS CHRIST GOD?

[Pipiripi]

First off I am a sister, not a brother, but that's OK.

It was Joseph Smith who wrote the Book of Mormon, the founder of the LDS church that you faithfully follow, who said, God is the Supreme Being of the universe. However, He gradually acquired that position over a long period of time by living a perfect and righteous life. The Book of Mormon - God the Father has a body (flesh and bones), DC 130:22.

That's no problem who wrote the Mormon book. Sorry for call you brother my sister. Before that you be in the church that you attended, how many denominations do you have been into it? So it is the same with those pioneers. When they have find the truth, they have became a new cchurch.So go study now only the new remnant church of God. The SDA CHURCH.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Holy Spirit has no name. But you don't have answered me where in the Bible I can read that the Holy Spirit has spoken with Jesus or God or both. Which chapters and verses? If he is God then we must find somewhere that he has spoken with the two other gods.

The Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of God and is referred to being part of the Deity/Trinity/Godhead that is Father, Son (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost. God is a Spirit and wants us to worship or another word for worship is to humble ourselves before him in spirit and truth. God is not flesh and blood that we can see and touch with our physical senses for he has no form but the Spirit that is God can take on many forms for us to hear him speak to us. Gods’ spirit spoke to many prophets throughout the Bible through pillars of clouds a burning bush, a donkey or spoke with visions through dreams to reveal his will for encouragement and instruction. Gods' spirit was and still is alive and moves through the hearts of his who are called by his name and have answered his call to salvation through Jesus.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Spirit of God was made flesh (Jesus) to walk among us teaching us and showing signs and wonders for the people to repent of their evil ways and come back to God. Many came back to God and were made servants worthy to praise him and continue in his works but there were many (Pharisees and Priest) that despised what they were hearing for it came against their laws and traditions and they felt they needed to silence this man, not knowing that it was actually the Spirit of God they were trying to silence.

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

 

[Pipiripi]

Are you speaking of a physical face?

Do you have read John?

 

[for_his_glory]

I follow the Bible just like my pioneers. We are the church of the Bible. Not man teachings.

You really need to do a study of Mormon and his son Moroni and the golden plates and how Joseph Smith used a seer stone as he sought out a medium, claiming it was Jesus, to help him interpret the heresies written on those plates that was his source for writing the Book of Mormon and The Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price (The Book of Abraham) he claims as divinely authoritative. Years ago I use to have some of the writings of Ellen G. Getty-White who also taught these heresies as she and her husband, James White along with Joseph Smith and Joseph Bates being the pioneers co-founded The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints on April 6, 1830 in Fayette, NY. right after The Book of Mormon was written in the same year.


Lev 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[Pipiripi]

The Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of God and is referred to being part of the Deity/Trinity/Godhead that is Father, Son (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost. God is a Spirit and wants us to worship or another word for worship is to humble ourselves before him in spirit and truth. God is not flesh and blood that we can see and touch with our physical senses for he has no form but the Spirit that is God can take on many forms for us to hear him speak to us. Gods’ spirit spoke to many prophets throughout the Bible through pillars of clouds a burning bush, a donkey or spoke with visions through dreams to reveal his will for encouragement and instruction. Gods' spirit was and still is alive and moves through the hearts of his who are called by his name and have answered his call to salvation through Jesus.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Spirit of God was made flesh (Jesus) to walk among us teaching us and showing signs and wonders for the people to repent of their evil ways and come back to God. Many came back to God and were made servants worthy to praise him and continue in his works but there were many (Pharisees and Priest) that despised what they were hearing for it came against their laws and traditions and they felt they needed to silence this man, not knowing that it was actually the Spirit of God they were trying to silence.

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

All that you have about Jesus is BIBLICAL. But about the Holy Spirit NOT. the

Satan being an angel as angels are spirit form and can never die.

Angels are essentially “ministering spirits,” (Hebrews 1:14) and do not have physical bodies like humans and can not die. Jesus declared that “a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have” (Luke 24:37-39).

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Don't stop reading there, because the Bible says: " that is the second death.

 

[for_his_glory]

Do you have read John?

Please do not answer a question with a question. it was a yes or no question.

So is it yes or no and if yes please give the scripture.

 

[for_his_glory]

The problem of a forums is that all the new moderators are trinitarians and no other non- trinitarians cannot Express their belief. They wants that everybody to believe in the Trinity doctrine. I wish that I can find a forums that the moderators or owners are open for everybody is free to express their belief freely and debates with each other as a true Christian that are searching for the completely truth. The devil hates when people can unmasked him. This is about 25 or more forums that I have attended. Only 3 is free for everyone to express their beliefs. It is on anyone to decide which denominations or believing to choose.

When you became a member here you agreed with the ToS and the Statement of Faith so, what is your real purpose of becoming a member if you now say you do not agree with CF's Statement of Faith? We have allowed you to express your beliefs, but have also showed you the heresies of that in whom you follow and learn from. I could only hope you could understand by showing you the true origins of your religion it would bring light of the true word of God to you that we have been trying to share and discuss with you.

 

[Pipiripi]

You really need to do a study of Mormon and his son Moroni and the golden plates and how Joseph Smith used a seer stone as he sought out a medium, claiming it was Jesus, to help him interpret the heresies written on those plates that was his source for writing the Book of Mormon and The Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price (The Book of Abraham) he claims as divinely authoritative. Years ago I use to have some of the writings of Ellen G. Getty-White who also taught these heresies as she and her husband, James White along with Joseph Smith and Joseph Bates being the pioneers co-founded The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints on April 6, 1830 in Fayette, NY. right after The Book of Mormon was written in the same year.


Lev 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I'm not intrested in Mormon teachings. Again it doesn't matter which denominations they are before. I'm interested in when they became SDA movement. Why you are afraid to go in the beginning of the SDA CHURCH? The devil don't let you go, because he know for sure that this forum will become a Saturday keeping forum.

 

[Pipiripi]

When you became a member here you agreed with the ToS and the Statement of Faith so, what is your real purpose of becoming a member if you now say you do not agree with CF's Statement of Faith? We have allowed you to express your beliefs, but have also showed you the heresies of that in whom you follow and learn from. I could only hope you could understand by showing you the true origins of your religion it would bring light of the true word of God to you that we have been trying to share and discuss with you.

The purpose of to do this is to show people that God's rules is above human rules, and there are many that search for the truth BIBLICAL in all forums. I thank you all, and specially my God that have prove that the truth must be preached around the world. I have did my work here. I have 3 forums that are free for everyone to debate their faith. Not forcing people to believe in your teachings, that is against your will. Proof them with the scriptures that the Bible has spoken. Let they go and see where in the Bible is written the word Trinity. And also prove them that they can read and where they can read that your god Holy Spirit has spoken with Jesus or God or both. They will see in which chapter and verses. I really want to se what the God Holy Spirit has said to Jesus or God or both. And why I don't let nobody in this world and no angels tell me to believe something that isn't written in the Bible to believe.
Galatians 1:1-10. and Matthew 24.

 

[for_his_glory]

That's no problem who wrote the Mormon book. Sorry for call you brother my sister. Before that you be in the church that you attended, how many denominations do you have been into it? So it is the same with those pioneers. When they have find the truth, they have became a new cchurch.So go study now only the new remnant church of God. The SDA CHURCH.

I am not affiliated with any church since the last one we attended had to close it's doors, long story, but sad for all of us who were a part of that ministry as I was a licensed Evangelist through that ministry. My church is now within CF so I do not forsake the assembling as we share and learn from each other with putting Christ in the center of the discussions to keep unity of love flowing in the forums.

If you can see by what I have been posting about the SDA/LDS church you would know I have studied the origin and have presented those studies throughout this thread. It's certainly your choice of what religion you want to follow, but when what they teach does not line up with the full context of what God has already spoke and gave to the prophets and disciples of Christ to write then it is a man's doctrine that is being taught and not the true doctrines of Christ.

 

[Pipiripi]

We have shown you the scriptures, but you refuse to accept what has already been written in the Bible. I have shown you the heresies that Joseph Smith and Ellen G. Getty-White have written and you agree with them so you need to think where is your understanding coming from, man or the Holy Spirit.

From the Holy Spirit, but not from god Holy Spirit. Till today nobody have shown me where I can read your god Holy Spirit has spoken with Jesus or God or both!!

 

[Pipiripi]

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

That is Jesus alone speaking about the Holy Spirit. Why didn't the Holy Spirit says nothing to Jesus? He is god for you!! Everybody is seeing that the Bible don't support the Trinity doctrine, because till now all of us are waiting where in the Bible we can read the Holy Spirit has spoken with Jesus or God or both.

 

[Pipiripi]

I am not affiliated with any church since the last one we attended had to close it's doors, long story, but sad for all of us who were a part of that ministry as I was a licensed Evangelist through that ministry. My church is now within CF so I do not forsake the assembling as we share and learn from each other with putting Christ in the center of the discussions to keep unity of love flowing in the forums.

If you can see by what I have been posting about the SDA/LDS church you would know I have studied the origin and have presented those studies throughout this thread. It's certainly your choice of what religion you want to follow, but when what they teach does not line up with the full context of what God has already spoke and gave to the prophets and disciples of Christ to write then it is a man's doctrine that is being taught and not the true doctrines of Christ.

I'm okay with your study, but don't mixed water with wine. Mormon is Mormon, and SDA is SDA. Read, or study only the Roots of the SDA church.

 

[Pipiripi]

The Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of God and is referred to being part of the Deity/Trinity/Godhead that is Father, Son (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost. God is a Spirit and wants us to worship or another word for worship is to humble ourselves before him in spirit and truth. God is not flesh and blood that we can see and touch with our physical senses for he has no form but the Spirit that is God can take on many forms for us to hear him speak to us. Gods’ spirit spoke to many prophets throughout the Bible through pillars of clouds a burning bush, a donkey or spoke with visions through dreams to reveal his will for encouragement and instruction. Gods' spirit was and still is alive and moves through the hearts of his who are called by his name and have answered his call to salvation through Jesus.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Spirit of God was made flesh (Jesus) to walk among us teaching us and showing signs and wonders for the people to repent of their evil ways and come back to God. Many came back to God and were made servants worthy to praise him and continue in his works but there were many (Pharisees and Priest) that despised what they were hearing for it came against their laws and traditions and they felt they needed to silence this man, not knowing that it was actually the Spirit of God they were trying to silence.

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

I hope that you read what or who is the Holy Spirit and let others read it before that you delete it. God will be angry if His truth shall be deleted.

 

[for_his_glory]

All that you have about Jesus is BIBLICAL. But about the Holy Spirit NOT. the
Don't stop reading there, because the Bible says: " that is the second death.

All people from every nation that have been raised from the dead are gathered before the throne of God and His Son Christ Jesus seated on His throne of glory as He separates the sheep from the goats, Matthew 25:31-46. The books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the resurrection and already judged and receive eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57.

The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now joined with those enemies of Christ that were also raised from their graves in the resurrection and are reserved unto the day of judgment, 2 Peter 2:9. They are now condemned, judged and will be cast into the lake of fire. And death (Spiritually dead) and hell (the grave) are cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Reference for hell:
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hell
Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit
Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell​

 

[Pipiripi]

All people from every nation that have been raised from the dead are gathered before the throne of God and His Son Christ Jesus seated on His throne of glory as He separates the sheep from the goats, Matthew 25:31-46. The books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the resurrection and already judged and receive eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57.

The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now joined with those enemies of Christ that were also raised from their graves in the resurrection and are reserved unto the day of judgment, 2 Peter 2:9. They are now condemned, judged and will be cast into the lake of fire. And death (Spiritually dead) and hell (the grave) are cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Reference for hell:
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hell
Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit
Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell​

And this people are the ones that they names are written in the book of live. They that have the seal of God. And the seal of God is His 4th commandment. Revelation 12:17 and 14:12

 

[for_his_glory]

I'm not intrested in Mormon teachings. Again it doesn't matter which denominations they are before. I'm interested in when they became SDA movement. Why you are afraid to go in the beginning of the SDA CHURCH? The devil don't let you go, because he know for sure that this forum will become a Saturday keeping forum.

I'm not going to derail this thread and make it about Saturday sabbath as most everyone knows it is a Saturday and not a Sunday. The SDA and the LDS are founded on the teachings of Joseph Smith and the writings of Ellen G. Getty-White. It's not my fault if you do not want to do the deeper study of the foundation of your religion as I have.

 

[for_his_glory]

I'm okay with your study, but don't mixed water with wine. Mormon is Mormon, and SDA is SDA. Read, or study only the Roots of the SDA church.

I have and they are all the same as some want to be associated with the name SDA and others LDS.

 

[for_his_glory]

And this people are the ones that they names are written in the book of live. They that have the seal of God. And the seal of God is His 4th commandment. Revelation 12:17 and 14:12

I'm not going to continue in getting into all these different topics as we are getting way off this topic and need to reel it back in. If you want to discuss all these other topics then please make a new thread in the theology forum.

 

[for_his_glory]

Where in the Bible I can read greetings in three Godhead? Specially in the books of the apostles? Why their greetings are only in two person? The Holy Spirit don't deserve greeting?

I am not going to keep repeating those scriptures as I have given them to you three times now.