IS JESUS CHRIST GOD?

[tigger 2]

TibiasDad, theos is always a nominative case NOUN. There is an adjective for it: theios. If John had meant an adjective (quality), he would have used the predicate adjective theios --- he did not! Can you find another use of the nominative theos in John's writings which is clearly intended to mean an adjective? Please show me if you find one.

John has nothing against using predicate adjectives when he so wishes:

John 3:33 "the god true (alethes - predicate adj.) is." Also John 8:14, 17, 26.
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The third clause (John1:1c) should not have theos translated with a capital. It should be a typical indefinite noun: "a god."

See my personal study: http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2013/02/seven-lessons-for-john-11c-a.html
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Obviously no one has read my study found in the link above. I'll make it easier in the case of John's use theos. Merely read part A of that link and then go to this end note in another study of mine:

http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2011/06/note-5-to-definite-john-11c-def.html

 

[Pipiripi]

TibiasDad, theos is always a nominative case NOUN. There is an adjective for it: theios. If John had meant an adjective (quality), he would have used the predicate adjective theios --- he did not! Can you find another use of the nominative theos in John's writings which is clearly intended to mean an adjective? Please show me if you find one.

John has nothing against using predicate adjectives when he so wishes:

John 3:33 "the god true (alethes - predicate adj.) is." Also John 8:14, 17, 26.
......................................
The third clause (John1:1c) should not have theos translated with a capital. It should be a typical indefinite noun: "a god."

See my personal study: http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2013/02/seven-lessons-for-john-11c-a.html
............................................
Obviously no one has read my study found in the link above. I'll make it easier in the case of John's use theos. Merely read part A of that link and then go to this end note in another study of mine:

http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2011/06/note-5-to-definite-john-11c-def.html

Did all this lesson can save lives?

 

[TibiasDad]

TibiasDad, theos is always a nominative case NOUN. There is an adjective for it: theios. If John had meant an adjective (quality), he would have used the predicate adjective theios --- he did not!

tigger 2,

I have stated my reasoning, and see no reason to change my thinking based on your evidences. A monotheistic writer would not apply theos to someone as a lesser god, because God has declared that "Before me no god was formed, neither will there be one after me!" (Isa 43:10) So the Word could not be "a god" in terms of essence of being, because God says there were no gods formed, which is precisely what you and your WBTS have said regarding Jesus. It is ironic that the very verse that your church claims as the source of its name Jehovah's Witnesses, is the verse that precludes one of your most distinguished doctrines.

Moreover, even the NWT translates John 20:28, Thomas's declaration, "My Lord and my God" (Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου), which would have Thomas placing Jesus as his ultimate God and Lord above Jehovah! So if John had no qualms rendering Jesus as the God of Thomas, a fellow disciple, then there would be no issue with saying "the Word was God", which again, no matter how you cut it, telling us something about "the Word", just as Thomas's declaration was telling us something about the Word, Jesus, from his perspective. Would it not be odd to say John's perspective was Jesus was a god, but Thomas's was the God?

Also, ho theos as a nominative is, strictly speaking, the subject of the sentence or clause, but theos in theos en ho logos is clearly not the subject. That is why the proper English translation puts "the Word" before "was God" because the Word is the nominative, the subject of the clause. Theos is purely descriptive! You cannot have two subjects without a kai linking the two, such as in John 20:28!


Doug

 

[Pipiripi]

tigger 2,

I have stated my reasoning, and see no reason to change my thinking based on your evidences. A monotheistic writer would not apply theos to someone as a lesser god, because God has declared that "Before me no god was formed, neither will there be one after me!" (Isa 43:10) So the Word could not be "a god" in terms of essence of being, because God says there were no gods formed, which is precisely what you and your WBTS have said regarding Jesus. It is ironic that the very verse that your church claims as the source of its name Jehovah's Witnesses, is the verse that precludes one of your most distinguished doctrines.

Moreover, even the NWT translates John 20:28, Thomas's declaration, "My Lord and my God" (Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου), which would have Thomas placing Jesus as his ultimate God and Lord above Jehovah! So if John had no qualms rendering Jesus as the God of Thomas, a fellow disciple, then there would be no issue with saying "the Word was God", which again, no matter how you cut it, telling us something about "the Word", just as Thomas's declaration was telling us something about the Word, Jesus, from his perspective. Would it not be odd to say John's perspective was Jesus was a god, but Thomas's was the God?

Also, ho theos as a nominative is, strictly speaking, the subject of the sentence or clause, but theos in theos en ho logos is clearly not the subject. That is why the proper English translation puts "the Word" before "was God" because the Word is the nominative, the subject of the clause. Theos is purely descriptive! You cannot have two subjects without a kai linking the two, such as in John 20:28!


Doug

My friend you are just taking one verse and makes your own story. Read the story and tried to learn something of it. What you are doing is exactly how Satan started his number 1 lie in Eden. Go and read what he said to Eve!!

 

[Pipiripi]

I believe I've already told that to you!

Doug

Is it difficult to repeat it once?

 

[JLB]

I understand your belief, I don't want to talk about it anymore, because Trinity is coming out from Roman Catholic Church.

What came first, the scriptures or the Roman Catholic Church?

 

[Pipiripi]

What came first, the scriptures or the Roman Catholic Church?

The scriptures.

 

[JLB]

The scriptures.

I can assure you, that those of us who believe in the Godhead, do so because that is what the scriptures teach, not because of the Roman Catholic Church.



JLB

 

[TibiasDad]

Is it difficult to repeat it once?

Apparently less difficult than rereading my response that clearly stated the answer to your question!

Doug

 

[Pipiripi]

I can assure you, that those of us who believe in the Godhead, do so because that is what the scriptures teach, not because of the Roman Catholic Church.



JLB

The scriptures teach 2 Godhead. God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son. I want you to think, forget about your teaching and I forget about mine. Let me and you just see truth the New Testament in how many names the apostles begin their letters.

 

[TibiasDad]

My friend you are just taking one verse and makes your own story. Read the story and tried to learn something of it. What you are doing is exactly how Satan started his number 1 lie in Eden. Go and read what he said to Eve!!

I have no idea what you are talking about here! I realize that English is not your first language, and I do not wish to be disrespectful, but I can't answer when I can't understand what you're trying to ask me. So allow me to ask some clarifying questions:

1) What is the "one verse" you're referring to?

2) What story am I making my own?

3) What story am I suppose to read and learn from?

4) What lie am I telling?

Doug

 

[Pipiripi]

I have no idea what you are talking about here! I realize that English is not your first language, and I do not wish to be disrespectful, but I can't answer when I can't understand what you're trying to ask me. So allow me to ask some clarifying questions:

1) What is the "one verse" you're referring to?

2) What story am I making my own?

3) What story am I suppose to read and learn from?

4) What lie am I telling?

Doug

Sorry it wasn't for you. Yes, my English is very bad. All 3 others to. Only defending myself with a little help here and there.

 

[JLB]

The scriptures teach 2 Godhead. God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son. I want you to think, forget about your teaching and I forget about mine. Let me and you just see truth the New Testament in how many names the apostles begin their letters.

Who sent out Paul as an apostle?


Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Then, having fasted and prayed, and laid hands on them, they sent them away.
So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus.
Acts 13:1-4


As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”


So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus.


For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7


These three are one, is the truth.

These two are one is false teaching.


When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. Matthew 3:16-4:1


Three: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The Father speaks, the Son speaks, the Holy Spirit speaks.


Three, not two.




JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

I understand your belief, I don't want to talk about it anymore, because Trinity is coming out from Roman Catholic Church. Holy Spirit is not a God co-existence and Jesus is also not a co-existence with God the Father. Bible teach that Jesus has a beginning. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Jesus has come forth out of God. God the Father was always. It is very dangerous using words that isn't in the Bible. Galatians 1:1-10. Revelation 22 also John declared to not take or put nothing into the scriptures.

You really need to quit playing the Roman Catholic Church card as many of us that have been trying patiently to explain all of this to you are not Catholic, including myself. You only believe this to be true for how you allow the false teachings of Ellen G. Getty-White dictate to you her misinterpretations of scripture. I have read some of her teachings and they come against what scripture actually says. She is no more a prophetess than the man in the moon. You refuse what I have shown you in the facts about the LDS, SDA and the Mormons all being the same. If you present any more of these false teachings of hers they will be deleted.

 

[stovebolts]

I understand your belief, I don't want to talk about it anymore, because Trinity is coming out from Roman Catholic Church.

Historically, this is not accurate information. The concept of the Trinity was around well before what we now understand as the Roman Catholic Church who broke away from the Church in 1054.
While it is true the Roman Emperor Constantine assembled the councils at Nicaea in 325 AD to discuss the issue of Trinity, it was predominantly Eastern Orthodox that made up the majority and not their western brothers in Rome.

 

[Pipiripi]

Historically, this is not accurate information. The concept of the Trinity was around well before what we now understand as the Roman Catholic Church who broke away from the Church in 1054.
While it is true the Roman Emperor Constantine assembled the councils at Nicaea in 325 AD to discuss the issue of Trinity, it was predominantly Eastern Orthodox that made up the majority and not their western brothers in Rome.

If I write who is the Rome Catholic Church, you will delete it before any others shall see the truth. Why don't you don't go on YouTube and see for yourself: " The Origin of the Roman Catholic Church"? Maybe you will learn more!

 

[Link1983]

Please show me where Jesus teaches us to keep the Sabbath according to the law of Moses?



JLB

“Remember the Sabbath (seventh) day to keep it holy (set apart, dedicated to God). Exodus 20:8 AMP https://bible.com/bible/1588/exo.20.8.AMP

Then they went back and prepared spices and ointments and sweet-smelling herbs. A nd on the Sabbath they rested in accordance with the commandment [forbidding work]. Luke 23:56 AMP https://bible.com/bible/1588/luk.23.56.AMP

Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27 AMP https://bible.com/bible/1588/mrk.2.27.AMP

 

[Link1983]

What is the Holy Spirit? If it is not Jesus, then what is his name? Holy Spirit is not a name. It is what it is!

But when He, the Spirit of Truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth [full and complete truth]. For He will not speak on His own initiative, but He will speak whatever He hears [from the Father—the message regarding the Son], and He will disclose to you what is to come [in the future]. John 16:13 AMP https://bible.com/bible/1588/jhn.16.13.AMP

He, is called the Spirit of truth as we can read here..

 

[Link1983]

Did Jesus say He was not God?


Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:56-59


The Jews understood what He was claiming about Himself.


Do you?




JLB

Did He say that He was God then?
A son of The one God is also God. But He is not God the creator.

For by Him all things were created in heaven and on earth, [things] visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him [that is, by His activity] and for Him. Colossians 1:16 AMP https://bible.com/bible/1588/col.1.16.AMP

Notice it says "for by Him"... And "for Him"....

 

[stovebolts]

If I write who is the Rome Catholic Church, you will delete it before any others shall see the truth. Why don't you don't go on YouTube and see for yourself: " The Origin of the Roman Catholic Church"? Maybe you will learn more!

We know Paul wrote to the church in Rome and we know Peter was in Rome. Honestly, I’m almost afraid to search the YouTube video you want me to watch. I can only begin to imagine the false information contained within it, but I am certain it makes the church in Rome the antichrist and harlot.