IS JESUS CHRIST GOD?

[for_his_glory]

Do you want me to write the truth about that verse? If you say yes, I will do it to prove you that I can answered all questions BIBLICAL.

What we are called of God to do in Matthew 28:19 is to preach the gospel of God's grace as we bring hope to a hurting world. We speak the words of God and not the words that come from man made denominations/non-denominations as God is not about organized religions, but is all about having fellowship with Him and having a personal relationship with His Son Christ Jesus. It is only those through the Spiritual rebirth Jesus was teaching Nicodemus in John 3:1-21 who can enter the kingdom of God as only Jesus is the way, the truth and the light no man comes unto the Father, but by Christ Jesus, John 14:6.

No one nor does any religion have all the Biblical answers or holds all truths as no one could ever exhaust all the teachings that God gives us through His Holy Spirit that teaches us all truths as we are ever learning.

 

[Pipiripi]

What we are called of God to do in Matthew 28:19 is to preach the gospel of God's grace as we bring hope to a hurting world. We speak the words of God and not the words that come from man made denominations/non-denominations as God is not about organized religions, but is all about having fellowship with Him and having a personal relationship with His Son Christ Jesus. It is only those through the Spiritual rebirth Jesus was teaching Nicodemus in John 3:1-21 who can enter the kingdom of God as only Jesus is the way, the truth and the light no man comes unto the Father, but by Christ Jesus, John 14:6.

No one nor does any religion have all the Biblical answers or holds all truths as no one could ever exhaust all the teachings that God gives us through His Holy Spirit that teaches us all truths as we are ever learning.

Because they don't live the Bible, if all Christians was living the Bible, Jesus Christ was here already. But Jesus said a word very strong. When the Son of man returned to the world, should He found people with faith?

 

[Randy]

Because they don't live the Bible, if all Christians was living the Bible, Jesus Christ was here already. But Jesus said a word very strong. When the Son of man returned to the world, should He found people with faith?

Your joking right? We believe in Him. (Jesus) At the end of the age a powerful delusion will be allowed into the world through the lie of the beast. So that those who didn't believe in Jesus and loved doing evil and refused to repent will be be condemned. Those who take joy in the death of Gods two witnesses as noted in Rev 11 are such a people who will be deceived by the lie of the beast. The beast is the one allowed to kill the two witnesses after their testimony has been completed. 1260 days as I read. The beast is in the world and in Jerusalem at that time.
Rev 11 is a sign that can't be mistaken.

Paul noted this importance rather than works of the law. "Faith expressing itself through love"

 

[TibiasDad]

To begin with, the English translation of John 1:1 have a small but yet important word missing, which is in the original Greek. Let's add that word back in and see how it changes the verse ... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with [THE] God, and the Word was God." ... So Christ was with THE God in the beginning. So He was with someone who is THE God. Who is that? Again, John records it for us:

You have not represented the Greek syntax correctly at all. The absence of the article (the, for those unfamiliar) in the third clause is because theos (God) in an adjective that tells us something about the nature or quality of the Logos. Theos is not a nomanitive in the third clause, but it draws it's character from the previously stated use of ho Theos (the God) in the second clause, "and the Word was with (the) God"! This is reemphasized in John 1:2 when John repeats "he (the Word) was with the God in the beginning." This demonstrates that John was separating the personhoods of the Word and the God, but equalizing the nature and character of their common being.

So again, when theos is used as a nomanitive in relation to the Word, thus indicating two distinct noun realities in relation to each other, it has the article, but when used as an adjective, the article is not used, but is implied due to the way theos is used in the immediate context. If it were not intended, why did you capitalized God in the third clause?

Doug

 

[K2CHRIST]

"The Trinity means that there is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons — the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Stated differently, God is one in essence and three in person. These definitions express three crucial truths: (1) the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons, (2) each Person is fully God, (3) there is only one God.(Matt Perman 2006)."

The above is from the site:

From my time with the Lord it seems accurate. I am not someone who is not willing to consider thoughts on it or who is not willing to discuss it, but again - from my personal experience with the Lord it seems to be a good description of what I have found from dealing with Jesus Christ as my Lord!

As a result - I would never say God is "two things" because God is One.

Still - someone might ask the obvious question which is "How can God then be three persons?"

The answer is that more that people can come together as one!

That should not be so hard to understand, is it? Can not different atoms come together to form one molecule? We don't have a problem understanding that, so why do we have a problem understanding 3 persons forming One God? And God is not two things anymore that one molecule is two things. Didn't we learn that H2O is water and that is one thing!

What I find more interesting is that Jesus prayed that we could be one with Him like He is one with the Father!

Consider that. We read that we are the body of Christ and that Jesus Christ is God, so what is happening with us? Are we not becoming one with God? Ok - I can see where our (including my) understanding is perhaps not all it should be. So how do we improve our understanding - according to the Bible?

I think most Christian would probably say that we improve our understanding by reading the Bible more. Yet what do we find when we read the Bible?

Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom: from his mouth come knowledge and understanding

OH WOW - understanding does not come from God's book but from His mouth!!!

So we should read the Bible, but it is not our leaning on our understanding that gives us understanding of it, but rather listening to the Lord and getting His understanding of the Bible which gives us understanding!!!

I remember the Lord once told me "WE DON’T HAVE UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE DON’T READ THE BIBLE WITH UNDERSTANDING, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING…. UNDERSTAND???"


That is what I mean - If we don't talk to the Lord and listen to what He says we are going to think our understanding of what read read in the Bible give us understanding, but the Scriptures are the Book and not the Teacher.

We tend to read things like : 2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;" - and forget that God is the Teacher, so He is the One who inspired the Scriptures so He could personally teach them to us, reprove us by using the Scriptures, make corrections in us, and train us up in righteousness. Some how we get to thinking that we are God and the Teacher who is teaching and training others.

 

[TibiasDad]

My friend, here in this forum I cannot write anything, because all that I write is in the Bible, and they are against many rules from other teachings that are not in the Bible. Like secret rapture. You wouldn't find this word in the Bible, but yet.i cannot speak about the deception of this teaching.

So I take it you are conceding my point! And by the way, I too am writing what is in the Bible, I am just speaking of the Greek Bible, not the English!

Doug

 

[Couppy]

"The Trinity means that there is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons — the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Stated differently, God is one in essence and three in person. These definitions express three crucial truths: (1) the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons, (2) each Person is fully God, (3) there is only one God.(Matt Perman 2006)."

The above is from the site:

From my time with the Lord it seems accurate. I am not someone who is not willing to consider thoughts on it or who is not willing to discuss it, but again - from my personal experience with the Lord it seems to be a good description of what I have found from dealing with Jesus Christ as my Lord!

As a result - I would never say God is "two things" because God is One.

Still - someone might ask the obvious question which is "How can God then be three persons?"

The answer is that more that people can come together as one!

That should not be so hard to understand, is it? Can not different atoms come together to form one molecule? We don't have a problem understanding that, so why do we have a problem understanding 3 persons forming One God? And God is not two things anymore that one molecule is two things. Didn't we learn that H2O is water and that is one thing!

I agree with you. We, as human beings, are made up spirit (some people may say soul), word, and body. So, we have a spirit. Our word is still us. Someone sends forth their word and that represents them. We are not 3 persons but still one.

I still wonder about an egg. It has a shell, whites, and yoke, yet it is still one egg. God uses things we see to give us understanding of things that we do not see. "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1:20

 

[for_his_glory]

Because they don't live the Bible, if all Christians was living the Bible, Jesus Christ was here already. But Jesus said a word very strong. When the Son of man returned to the world, should He found people with faith?

Luke 18:1 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
Luke 18:2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
Luke 18:3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
Luke 18:4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
Luke 18:5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
Luke 18:6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

This parable is about an unfair judge here on earth that did not believe in God nor had no regard for no one after awhile of hearing this widow for him to avenger her of her adversary He avenged her, not out of love or by faith in God, but that he saw this widow as someone who bothered him. This judge was an earthly man as many are and when Christ returns He will find no faith in earthly people, as those who God has given to Jesus are His own as He in them and they in Him as those of faith are no longer a part of the world, John 17; Colossians 3:1-4.

BTW, we ask that all give book, chapter and verse for the scriptures they use so others can go read and study them, thank you.

 

[for_his_glory]

"The Trinity means that there is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons — the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Stated differently, God is one in essence and three in person. These definitions express three crucial truths: (1) the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons, (2) each Person is fully God, (3) there is only one God.(Matt Perman 2006)."

The above is from the site:

From my time with the Lord it seems accurate. I am not someone who is not willing to consider thoughts on it or who is not willing to discuss it, but again - from my personal experience with the Lord it seems to be a good description of what I have found from dealing with Jesus Christ as my Lord!

As a result - I would never say God is "two things" because God is One.

Still - someone might ask the obvious question which is "How can God then be three persons?"

The answer is that more that people can come together as one!

That should not be so hard to understand, is it? Can not different atoms come together to form one molecule? We don't have a problem understanding that, so why do we have a problem understanding 3 persons forming One God? And God is not two things anymore that one molecule is two things. Didn't we learn that H2O is water and that is one thing!

What I find more interesting is that Jesus prayed that we could be one with Him like He is one with the Father!

Consider that. We read that we are the body of Christ and that Jesus Christ is God, so what is happening with us? Are we not becoming one with God? Ok - I can see where our (including my) understanding is perhaps not all it should be. So how do we improve our understanding - according to the Bible?

I think most Christian would probably say that we improve our understanding by reading the Bible more. Yet what do we find when we read the Bible?

Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom: from his mouth come knowledge and understanding

OH WOW - understanding does not come from God's book but from His mouth!!!

So we should read the Bible, but it is not our leaning on our understanding that gives us understanding of it, but rather listening to the Lord and getting His understanding of the Bible which gives us understanding!!!

I remember the Lord once told me "WE DON’T HAVE UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE DON’T READ THE BIBLE WITH UNDERSTANDING, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING…. UNDERSTAND???"


That is what I mean - If we don't talk to the Lord and listen to what He says we are going to think our understanding of what read read in the Bible give us understanding, but the Scriptures are the Book and not the Teacher.

We tend to read things like : 2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;" - and forget that God is the Teacher, so He is the One who inspired the Scriptures so He could personally teach them to us, reprove us by using the Scriptures, make corrections in us, and train us up in righteousness. Some how we get to thinking that we are God and the Teacher who is teaching and training others.

I would also like to add these scriptures.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[TibiasDad]

I still wonder about an egg. It has a shell, whites, and yoke, yet it is still one egg.

The problem, at least in my mind - which is quite small a mushy- is that the shell white and yoke are not identical in nature. The same applies to fire in its flame, light and heat.

For me, the best illustration, and even it has a draw back if you are too literal in interpretation, was one I got from Tim Keller, and that is a crystal clear triangle. If you peer through one side, you see the other two sides and they are indistinguishable from each other, even though you know there are three distinct and individual sides. The only draw back is that there is a "bottom side" as well, but all temporal similes will fail to describe an eternal and infinite God.


Doug

 

[for_his_glory]

My friend, here in this forum I cannot write anything, because all that I write is in the Bible, and they are against many rules from other teachings that are not in the Bible. Like secret rapture. You wouldn't find this word in the Bible, but yet.i cannot speak about the deception of this teaching.

I agree you will not find the word Trinity or that of a secret rapture in the Bible, but yet both are explained in the full meaning of both.

Trinity/Deity
Colossians 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Colossians 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rapture/caught up
1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[TibiasDad]

Rapture/caught up
1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Yes, harpazo, meaning to seize or snatch away by force is the word used, for which "rapture" is a modern day synonym.

Doug

 

[Pipiripi]

Yes, harpazo, meaning to seize or snatch away by force is the word used, for which "rapture" is a modern day synonym.

Doug

But the teaching is not BIBLICAL.

 

[Couppy]

The names is not so important, but the teaching is not BIBLICAL, if the Bible says one true God, no body can make it three gods from eternity. Jesus also has a begin. It is written in the Bible.
This is the problem what the same Paul write. Galatians 1:1-10

What do you mean by Jesus has a beginning? Are you referring to day when the Word became flesh and lived among us? "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

 

[Pipiripi]

What do you mean by Jesus has a beginning? Are you referring to day when the Word became flesh and lived among us? "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

If you know what ONLY BEGOTTEN means than I see that you are trying to know everything BIBLICAL.

 

[JLB]

But the teaching is not BIBLICAL.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

The rapture occurs at the coming of the Lord, just after the resurrection of the dead in Christ.


Those who are alive and remain are caught up together with those who were resurrected.



JLB

 

[Pipiripi]

Like I said, I already gave every scripture reference I could find in the Bible. It takes the whole of scripture, not just a few verses, to even try to understand the Deity/Trinity.

Father, Son, Holy Spirit as all three coequal Gods Spirit.

Jesus is word, light and life that is God come in the flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Gods Holy Spirit has come to indwell us and teach us. John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

If I find a single word in any verses, (God Holy Spirit). Today I became a trinitarians. Because I have read it in the Bible, by the 66 authors in the Bible. I will see it and I want you to baptize me here in Curaçao live for the world to see the truth.

 

[TibiasDad]

But the teaching is not BIBLICAL.

If the Bible says we will be "caught away", and it most definitely does, and if rapture means the same thing, then it is biblical! Preterism is not correct!

Doug

 

[Pipiripi]

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

The rapture occurs at the coming of the Lord, just after the resurrection of the dead in Christ.


Those who are alive and remain are caught up together with those who were resurrected.



JLB

But the rapture theory is not saying that, it says before 7 years of the end of the world, Jesus come in silence and raptured his church. Do you see that all those teachings are to take people minds from the truth?
My friends I know what I'm saying is BIBLICAL. Stop looking at churches and man's teaching. I don't have a church, because our pioneers all is dead. We are this people. Revelation 12:17 and 14:12. We don't have time to loose with smooth SERMONS. This is our duty to the world today. Revelation 14:6-13. Bless

 

[Pipiripi]

If the Bible says we will be "caught away", and it most definitely does, and if rapture means the same thing, then it is biblical! Preterism is not correct!

Doug

If you are an English man, you should know better than me isn't it!! The problem is why they don't just used the word 'caught up'.
The problem is not the word my brother, it is the teaching. 7 years before the end of the world, Jesus rapture 'caught up' His church.
That is not true. That's why I have write, the rapture theory is a false one.