Is Matthew 24:34 grounds for skepticism?

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C.S. Lewis, author and lay Anglican theologian wrote the following (from 'The world's last night and other essays' - 1960):

"Say what you like" we shall be told, "the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, 'this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.' And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else."

It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible. Yet how teasing, also, that within fourteen words of it should come the statement "But of that day and that
hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are In heaven, neither the Son, but the Father"

I will admit that this issue makes me skeptical about Jesus. What do you say?
 
My endurance comes by the faith of Christ to know He will always bring us out victorious as He promised if we believe and trust in Him. There is nothing I can do of myself separate from Christ Jesus. Whether we live, we will live for Christ and whether we die we die unto Christ as we will always be with Christ.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Think about the words Jesus spoke "unto the end" and what is meant by what He said.
the end of the tribulation period

When he returns

That’s the context

I do not have to endure God keeps
Me. I just keep trusting him
 
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if you think you must endure to the end to stay saved.
Did I say we must endured "to stay saved?"


Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

"but whoever endures to the end, he will be saved" This is an AORSIT ACTIVE PARTICIPLE (endure) followed by a FUTURE PASSIVE INDICATIVE (saved cf. Matt. 10:22. This is the doctrine of perseverance (i.e., related to surviving the siege of Jerusalem, Rev. 2:2, 11, 12, 26; 3:5, 12, 21), and it must be held in a dialectical tension with the doctrine of the security of the believer. Both are true! Both are gifts of God.

The term "saved" can be understood

in its OT sense of physical deliverance
of spiritual eternal deliverance
Endurance is an evidence of a life changing encounter with Jesus. It does not imply sinlessness, but it does contrast the actions of Matt. 24:10-12!

I see--you’re a pacifist, then? Just have faith without paying attention to the imperatives of Christ Jesus? Interesting perspective.

J.
 
Did I say we must endured "to stay saved?"


Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

"but whoever endures to the end, he will be saved" This is an AORSIT ACTIVE PARTICIPLE (endure) followed by a FUTURE PASSIVE INDICATIVE (saved cf. Matt. 10:22. This is the doctrine of perseverance (i.e., related to surviving the siege of Jerusalem, Rev. 2:2, 11, 12, 26; 3:5, 12, 21), and it must be held in a dialectical tension with the doctrine of the security of the believer. Both are true! Both are gifts of God.

The term "saved" can be understood

in its OT sense of physical deliverance
of spiritual eternal deliverance
Endurance is an evidence of a life changing encounter with Jesus. It does not imply sinlessness, but it does contrast the actions of Matt. 24:10-12!

I see--you’re a pacifist, then? Just have faith without paying attention to the imperatives of Christ Jesus? Interesting perspective.

J.
Sorry I meant to delete that
 
the end of the tribulation period

When he returns

That’s the context

I do not have to endure God keeps
Me. I just keep trusting him
When the son of perdition takes his literal seat in the holy place of Jerusalem Jesus warned us to flee as He has a place prepared for us wherever we go to, Matthew 24:15-21; Rev 12:14.

God's protection is absolute to those who escape into the wilderness and trust in Christ to help meet their needs. Just as God told Moses to strike the rock for fresh water, Exodus 17:1-7, and sending manna down from heaven and providing Quail for meat, Exodus 16, so will be the same in the end of days, Philippians 4:19.

Nut shell scenario of what will happen during the first six trumpets of Rev Chapter 8-11 that leads up to the seventh trumpet and the events of Chapter 13 with the beast out of the sea and out of the earth. Then in Rev 19 the marriage supper of the Lamb, those who will be caught up to Christ will happen when He returns with his army of angels and sends them out to gather us to Him in the air, Matthew 24:29-31.

God’s wrath is poured out into the world as chastisements for disobedience, but also a warning that man needs to repent and turn back to God before the door of salvation is closed forever when Christ returns on the last day, John 5:28-29; 6:40.

Hail and fire can be likened unto meteors that fall from the sky. A third of the trees and all the green grass are burned up which makes a third part of the world with a shortage of oxygen in the air that is created from the carbon dioxide from the trees and living plants. Seeing that this is Global the intense fire and smoke from all the trees and grass burning can travel for miles causing much more damage throughout the nations. The trees that produce various healthy foods for our wellbeing will become scarce. The green grasses that would probably include crops of wheat, barley, corn and so forth will be destroyed causing a shortage in food. The animals we depend on as a food source will also die as they are left without vegetation they need to live on.

This great mountain burning with fire could be another meteor or even a series of meteors sent down from heaven at one time, but on an extremely larger scale as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it. The third part of the sea turned to blood by reason of all the animal life that is killed and those men, women and children who are on these ships that are destroyed. Take into consideration the disease that would spread from all the rotted sea life that is rotting away washing up on the shore and the flesh of those who were burned along with the ships.

These ships will more than likely be types of fuel tankers, merchant, fishing and luxury cruises ships traveling the waters. With the third of these ships being destroyed means a third part of the world’s fuel and food supply would be destroyed. There is only one ocean, but divided by four regions as being the Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Arctic Ocean, and the Indian Ocean. This would be like the four corners of the earth as being North, South, East and West. The only difference between the ocean and the sea is that the ocean is much larger and feeds into the 108 seas around the world that also flow into our lakes and streams that provide us with fresh drinking water and other sources of food.

With the third part of the sun, moon and stars being darkened this will affect mans source of electricity and heat that is vital to keep a certain degree of the earth warm, and generated power in homes, hospitals and manufacturing plants including nuclear reactors.

Agriculture and navigation would be hard pressed as it takes the solar power from the sun to run the solar cells that produces the energy needed to run farming machinery and trucks to take the produce to manufacturing plants where the produce is then distributed to market.

Vehicles such as cars, ambulances, planes, trains and the list goes on need an energy source from the sun in order to run their engines. The darkness of the third part of the day would be roughly around eight hours of daylight being lost and total darkness of night as the moon and stars are illuminated by the sun at night. A flashlight would be useless to see in the dark as it needs energy from the sun to run the battery that turns the light on.

This much darkness would cause people to panic in the streets creating chaos as the love of many will wax cold, Matthew 24:12. Riots would break out causing looting and lose of life as those who have not will do anything in desperation to take from those who have much. IMO Marshal law will be enforced as we see history repeat itself with many Christians taken captive that did not flee and killed as they refuse to denounce Christ and take the mark. They will also die a martyr's death, Rev 6:9-11, especially vs. 11. Also we are not to fear what man can do to us, Matthew 10:28.

This is where the mark of the beast comes in during the seventh trumpet as this NWO is a Luciferian system of economics, political, military, educational and false religious power that gives power to the beast out of the earth being the son of perdition. By lying signs and wonders the beast will deceive the nations (people) into taking its mark. IMO I think the mark is the thoughts of our mind and the actions of our hands reaching out to this beast that promises peace, safety and provision as many will bow down and worship this beast who claims to be God.

After the 3 1/2 years of this Luciferian reign on earth that will try and wear out the saints then every eye will see Christ coming in the clouds with His army of angels that are then sent out to gather those saints who are alive at His coming and those who sleep in their graves. We are gathered up to the clouds as we receive our new glorified bodies in order to meet Jesus in the air. From the air He destroys the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming only speaking their destruction casting them into the lake of fire. Satan is bound for a time as Jesus sets out to destroy all the nations that followed after the beast. Satan is then released in a final attempt to destroy the saints as he sends his angels out to surround the camp of the saints, but the angels are consumed by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire. Then comes God's great white throne judgment and the books are opened and all are judged. Then this present heaven and earth are burned up and made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.
 
But such a view is not a consensus among Christians - something which is deeply damaging to the efficacy of the gospel. Though C.S. Lewis remained a Christian - that he said the verse was embarrassing demonstrates such damage.

Please tell me - what about Matthew 16:28
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Again, this looks awkward.
Not awkward, fulfilled prophecy:

"Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming (2064 ἔρχομαι) in His kingdom." (Matt. 16:28 NKJ)

2064 ἔρχομαι erchomai
Meaning: 1) to come 1a) of persons 1a1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving 1a2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public - Strong's

Christ appeared to some of the disciples then standing there, as He does in the Kingdom of Heaven, when it came in power breaking into our dimension through a dimensional portal, and then Moses and Elijah (who are in the Kingdom of Heaven) joined Jesus on the Mount.

"The kingdom of God, Christ appearing in it, was present before the eyes of some of His disciples He spoke to, exactly as prophesied: :

1 And He said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power."
2 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them.
3 His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them.
4 And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.
5 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah "--
6 because he did not know what to say, for they were greatly afraid.
7 And a cloud came and overshadowed them; and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!"
8 Suddenly, when they had looked around, they saw no one anymore, but only Jesus with themselves. (Mk. 9:1-8 NKJ)

Additional fulfilment is found in the clouds of God's glory:

13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed. (Dan. 7:13-14 NKJ)
 
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Not awkward, fulfilled prophecy:

"Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming (2064 ἔρχομαι) in His kingdom." (Matt. 16:28 NKJ)

2064 ἔρχομαι erchomai
Meaning: 1) to come 1a) of persons 1a1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving 1a2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public - Strong's

Christ appeared to some of the disciples then standing there, as He does in the Kingdom of Heaven, when it came in power breaking into our dimension through a dimensional portal, and then Moses and Elijah (who are in the Kingdom of Heaven) joined Jesus on the Mount.

"The kingdom of God, Christ appearing in it, was present before the eyes of some of His disciples He spoke to, exactly as prophesied: :

1 And He said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power."
2 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them.
3 His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them.
4 And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.
5 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah "--
6 because he did not know what to say, for they were greatly afraid.
7 And a cloud came and overshadowed them; and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!"
8 Suddenly, when they had looked around, they saw no one anymore, but only Jesus with themselves. (Mk. 9:1-8 NKJ)

Additional fulfilment is found in the clouds of God's glory:

13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed. (Dan. 7:13-14 NKJ)
Interesting--

The verb ἔρχομαι (erchomai) means "to come" or "to arrive" and is in the present middle indicative.

The phrase "shall not taste death" indicates that some present at that moment would witness this coming before they died.

Interpretative Options:
The Transfiguration (Immediate Context):

Some interpret this as a reference to the Transfiguration in Matthew 17:1–9, where Jesus is revealed in glory to Peter, James, and John just days later.

This is a foretaste of the kingdom, showing the divine nature of Christ.

The Resurrection and Ascension:

Others see it as referring to the Resurrection or Ascension of Christ, demonstrating His victory and kingship.

The Day of Pentecost:

Some scholars argue it points to the coming of the Holy Spirit and the birth of the church (Acts 2), signifying the establishment of the kingdom in a spiritual sense.

The Destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD):

A preterist view suggests that it refers to the destruction of the temple and the judgment on Jerusalem, seen as a coming of the Son of Man in judgment.

The Final Return (Second Coming):

A futurist interpretation suggests it points to a symbolic preview of Christ's return, indicating that the apostolic age would witness the inauguration of the kingdom through the spread of the gospel.


Since the immediate context in Matthew 17 records the Transfiguration, many scholars see this as the most straightforward fulfillment, demonstrating Jesus’ glory and divine authority. However, other interpretations take into account the broader New Testament context and prophetic fulfillment.

So which is it?

J.
 
Thanks for this Randy...yes good points.

The niggle I have (with my explanation) is that the Temple was destroyed in 70AD - and, indeed, not one stone was left upon another - but Jesus appears to have had no knowledge that that would not be the end of the world and the time of his second coming. It also means that he had no knowledge that a rebuilding of the Temple is now necessary for his prophecy to come true.

And the confusion in the wake of such is pretty bad for Christian integrity imho.

In his defence, he acknowledges that he does not know the exact day or hour - so maybe not knowing details about the Temple is in line with that.
Niggle springs from a hasty generalization fallacy. Jesus never said the destroyed temple is a sign of His coming. You are conflating contexts, generalizing different events. The Temple's destruction is clearly distinguished from the coming of Christ and the End of the world:

1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" (Matt. 24:1-3 NKJ)
 
Interesting--

The verb ἔρχομαι (erchomai) means "to come" or "to arrive" and is in the present middle indicative.

The phrase "shall not taste death" indicates that some present at that moment would witness this coming before they died.

Interpretative Options:
The Transfiguration (Immediate Context):

Some interpret this as a reference to the Transfiguration in Matthew 17:1–9, where Jesus is revealed in glory to Peter, James, and John just days later.

This is a foretaste of the kingdom, showing the divine nature of Christ.

The Resurrection and Ascension:

Others see it as referring to the Resurrection or Ascension of Christ, demonstrating His victory and kingship.

The Day of Pentecost:

Some scholars argue it points to the coming of the Holy Spirit and the birth of the church (Acts 2), signifying the establishment of the kingdom in a spiritual sense.

The Destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD):

A preterist view suggests that it refers to the destruction of the temple and the judgment on Jerusalem, seen as a coming of the Son of Man in judgment.

The Final Return (Second Coming):

A futurist interpretation suggests it points to a symbolic preview of Christ's return, indicating that the apostolic age would witness the inauguration of the kingdom through the spread of the gospel.


Since the immediate context in Matthew 17 records the Transfiguration, many scholars see this as the most straightforward fulfillment, demonstrating Jesus’ glory and divine authority. However, other interpretations take into account the broader New Testament context and prophetic fulfillment.

So which is it?

J.
You quoted what I think it is. The Ascension would be the next candidate, or perhaps is an additional fulfillment.

The preterist view "spiritualizes" the coming, "figuratively speaking" its a "coming in Judgment.' But no element of a judgment is found in Christ's promise to the disciples some of them would see Him in Heavenly glory.
 
You quoted what I think it is. The Ascension would be the next candidate, or perhaps is an additional fulfillment.

The preterist view "spiritualizes" the coming, "figuratively speaking" its a "coming in Judgment.' But no element of a judgment is found in Christ's promise to the disciples some of them would see Him in Heavenly glory.
I approach the Bible through a Jewish/Eastern lens, and I have a lot of Jewish sources to draw from. I remember having some pretty intense back-and-forth discussions on eschatology with Jay Ross--his approach really challenged my perspective compared to what I often see here.

He taught me to use proper hermeneutics, focusing on syntax and morphology, and it opened my eyes to how different that approach can be. Sometimes, it feels like there's a bit of reluctance here to explore different Bible translations, consider cultural contexts, or really dig into the Hebrew text and the LXX. There's also a sense of hesitancy when it comes to using secondary sources that can shed a lot of light on the Scriptures.

One thing I've learned from Jewish study methods is that debates can be passionate and even aggressive, but there's still a sense of brotherhood in it.

Sometimes when I interact with others, it feels like the default response is, "Oh no, I read the KJV and have the Holy Spirit to illuminate everything." It gives the impression that there’s no room for deeper study or considering other perspectives.

Just my observation.

God bless.

Johann.
 
I approach the Bible through a Jewish/Eastern lens, and I have a lot of Jewish sources to draw from. I remember having some pretty intense back-and-forth discussions on eschatology with Jay Ross--his approach really challenged my perspective compared to what I often see here.

He taught me to use proper hermeneutics, focusing on syntax and morphology, and it opened my eyes to how different that approach can be. Sometimes, it feels like there's a bit of reluctance here to explore different Bible translations, consider cultural contexts, or really dig into the Hebrew text and the LXX. There's also a sense of hesitancy when it comes to using secondary sources that can shed a lot of light on the Scriptures.

One thing I've learned from Jewish study methods is that debates can be passionate and even aggressive, but there's still a sense of brotherhood in it.

Sometimes when I interact with others, it feels like the default response is, "Oh no, I read the KJV and have the Holy Spirit to illuminate everything." It gives the impression that there’s no room for deeper study or considering other perspectives.

Just my observation.

God bless.

Johann.
We are kindred spirits. The Jewish Talmud is a great source of information on New Testament context.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:11-15 NKJ)

COMPARE the teaching of the school of Hillel in Christ's day:

[I.15 A] Said R. Kruspedai said R. Yohanan, “Three books are opened [by God] on the New Year: one for the thoroughly wicked, one for the thoroughly righteous, and one for middling [people].

“The thoroughly righteous immediately are inscribed and sealed for [continued] life.

[C] “The thoroughly wicked immediately are inscribed and sealed for death.
[D] “Middling [people] are left hanging from New Year until the Day of Atonement.
[E] “If they [are found to have] merit, they are inscribed for life.
[F] “If they [are found] not [to have] merit, they are inscribed for death.”

[G] Said R. Abin, “What is the Scriptural [foundation for this]? [Ps. 69:28 states]: ‘Let them be blotted out of the book of the living. Let them not be inscribed among the righteous.’ ‘Let them be blotted out of the book’-this refers to the book of the thoroughly wicked. ‘[… of the] living’-this refers to the book of the righteous. ‘Let them not be inscribed among the righteous’-this refers to the book of middling [people].”-Neusner, J. (2011). The Babylonian Talmud: A Translation and Commentary (Vol. 6b, p. 83). Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers

This Jewish context has changed my beliefs about "second chances" to repent after death and be saved:
 
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Surely, either Jesus' prophecy is truthful or he is made a false prophet by Moses' words?
Skeptical about Jesus being who he claimed to be (I'm not a Christian btw). When he said v.24 - Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened - we note that 'these things' includes the coming of the Son of Man when the elect will be gathered.

Greetings. Two things.

1. Moved this thread to Q&A, since non-christians are not allowed to post elsewhere on the forum.
2. The proper translation is "This age will not pass away until all these things have happened." This age has not ended yet, so it cannot be said Jesus was lying.

Blessings,
Hidden In Him
 
We are kindred spirits. The Jewish Talmud is a great source of information on New Testament context.
Brother, I see one problem here--I’d advise using strict caution before going that far, as the Talmuds aren’t exactly a reliable source of information.

The Talmuds (both the Babylonian Talmud and the Jerusalem Talmud) are significant works within Rabbinic Judaism, containing a vast compilation of Jewish law, ethics, philosophy, customs, and history.

Why the Talmuds Are Not Considered Reliable by Some Christians:
Doctrinal Differences:

The Talmuds are rooted in post-biblical Jewish traditions and interpretations that often diverge from Christian theology.

For instance, the Talmud’s interpretation of Messianic prophecies significantly differs from the New Testament perspective.

Non-Inspired Status:

Unlike the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh), the Talmuds are not considered divinely inspired by Christians.

They are seen as commentaries and debates rather than sacred Scripture.

Anti-Christian Passages:

Some Talmudic passages are interpreted as critical of Jesus and early Christians, which makes them problematic as theological sources.

Human Reasoning:

The Talmuds often represent the opinions of different rabbis rather than unified doctrine, leading to contradictions and speculative interpretations.

Why Some Still Use the Talmuds for Context:
Some scholars and theologians use the Talmuds to better understand first-century Jewish thought, cultural context, or Pharisaic traditions.

They can provide insights into Jewish practices and beliefs during the time of Jesus, but they are not treated as authoritative for Christian doctrine.

So, in summary--while the Talmuds can offer cultural and historical context, they are not considered reliable sources for Christian theology or biblical interpretation. Would you like examples of specific Talmudic passages that conflict with Christian beliefs?

Allow me to clarify, I was referring to Messianic brothers and sisters in Messiah.

God bless.

Johann.
 
Greetings. Two things.

1. Moved this thread to Q&A, since non-christians are not allowed to post elsewhere on the forum.
2. The proper translation is "This age will not pass away until all these things have happened." This age has not ended yet, so it cannot be said Jesus was lying.

Blessings,
Hidden In Him
Matthew 24:34 (NASB)
"Truly I say to you, this generation (ἡ γενεὰ) will not pass away until all these things take place."

Mark 13:30 (NASB)
"Truly I say to you, this generation (ἡ γενεὰ) will not pass away until all these things take place."

Luke 21:32 (NASB)
"Truly I say to you, this generation (ἡ γενεὰ) will not pass away until all things take place."

Don't know where you read aion/aionos here brother.

J.
 
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Please, if you can WIP

J.
 
Please, if you can WIP

J.
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Still finding my way around this forum--eventually, I’ll get settled and be out of your hair.

Good?

J.
 
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Blessings in Christ,

Hidden In Him
 
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