Is physical pain experienced in hell?

[TimothyW]

Ceasing to exist is not suffering Tim.

How is ceasing to exist NOT a punishment??? How is being DESTROYED NOT a punishment? Not receiving eternal life is something to fear, because if you don't have life, you don't have anything.
Death is something to fear, for those who will perish. We do not fear death, because we will be resurrected and have eternal life. Those who do not have eternal life, do not have eternal life. They perish, just as the Bible says. The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are PERISHING. Death entered the world through sin. Is any of this reaching you?

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

Ceasing to exist is not suffering

Quite the contrary Urk! The taking away of one's existence is literally a grave punishment. If one actually SUFFERS the loss of their existence in the 2nd death, that definately qualifies as suffering a punishment. What is it about continual, perpetual, constant ongoing punishment that is more appropriate than a termination from the priviledge of existing?

 

[Guest]

This is exhausting. Ok everyone, I believe what you all are saying. I can commit all the sins I want, be judged by God and then God sends me to a place where I don't suffer, I cease to exist, end of existence. Wow, that's an awesome fate. So when Jesus died on the cross he was saving us from permanant sleep??? If this is true, then God's salvation is nothing more than petty. According to everyone here, God HATES sin, so what he does to the sinner is he judges them, then erases their existence, no suffering nothing. That my friend is an awesome judgment. If I was an unbeliever reading this, then I would care less about God's salvation and sin some more. Interesting.

 

[Guest]

Tell a murderer that's serving time in prison that he will cease to exist after he dies but Jesus loves him. lol. What is he going to choose, he doesn't fear death or God because he won't exist people. This is what you're teaching me.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

This is exhausting. Ok everyone, I believe what you all are saying. I can commit all the sins I want, be judged by God and then God sends me to a place where I don't suffer, I cease to exist, end of existence. Wow, that's an awesome fate. So when Jesus died on the cross he was saving us from permanant sleep??? If this is true, then God's salvation is nothing more than petty. According to everyone here, God HATES sin, so what he does to the sinner is he judges them, then erases their existence, no suffering nothing. That my friend is an awesome judgment. If I was an unbeliever reading this, then I would care less about God's salvation and sin some more. Interesting.

So receiving age lasting life in a renewed creation in perfect communion with God is not a lofty reward to seek? Oh and missing out on that fate is not something to stir up a sense of loss? WHat the Bible says is that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God thru Jesus is age lasting life. Why is that petty to you?

It sounds like you feel and believe that somehow those that do not believe SHOULD suffer an eternal torment. WHat is up with this arrarent blood lust? Do you actually want there to be an eternal torturous afterlife for all non believers from the kind give you her last sweet granny to the vile Hitlers that did horrendous acts for decades? In your mind, does a lifetime of kindness merit an eternity of pain and torment simply because of what one does not believe?

 

[Guest]

This is exhausting. Ok everyone, I believe what you all are saying. I can commit all the sins I want, be judged by God and then God sends me to a place where I don't suffer, I cease to exist, end of existence. Wow, that's an awesome fate. So when Jesus died on the cross he was saving us from permanant sleep??? If this is true, then God's salvation is nothing more than petty. According to everyone here, God HATES sin, so what he does to the sinner is he judges them, then erases their existence, no suffering nothing. That my friend is an awesome judgment. If I was an unbeliever reading this, then I would care less about God's salvation and sin some more. Interesting.

So receiving age lasting life in a renewed creation in perfect communion with God is not a lofty reward to seek? Oh and missing out on that fate is not something to stir up a sense of loss? WHat the Bible says is that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God thru Jesus is age lasting life. Why is that petty to you?

It sounds like you feel and believe that somehow those that do not believe SHOULD suffer an eternal torment. WHat is up with this arrarent blood lust? Do you actually want there to be an eternal torturous afterlife for all non believers from the kind give you her last sweet granny to the vile Hitlers that did horrendous acts for decades? In your mind, does a lifetime of kindness merit an eternity of pain and torment simply because of what one does not believe?

No it's not a lofty reward, because I'm an atheist. God is just a petty word that someone created in their mind. I rather sleep and not exist after death than confess my sins here on earth. I also think that sin is a religious word and doesn't exist. I rather sleep after judgment.

..I don't want people to go to hell, but they choose it anyways. Rather, it's a WARNING! Take heed!! I don't judge them, God does. I didn't create hell, Lucifer did when he fell from heaven. It's not my mind you should be questioning. It's Lucifer's. For example, kill your friends with kindness but say they die and still haven't accepted Christ. We're you killing them with kindess or telling them the truth.

 

[chessman]

I believe what you all are saying. I can commit all the sins I want, be judged by God and then God sends me to a place where I don't suffer

According to everyone here, God HATES sin, so what he does to the sinner is he judges them, then erases their existence, no suffering nothing.

Does anybody else participating in these A&T threads notice a problem here with posts like this?

At least 95% of the posts where a member posts to other member(s); “What you are saying is ________â€, or “According to you ___________†or “You think, such and such†, etc. it’s in fact completely contrary to what the original member’s post(s) have actually said. And then 95% of the time it draws a backlash that is just banter and typically borderline hateful. Then 50% of the time what could be otherwise a good theological discussion gets blocked.

These type of posts (false accusations or their response) have no useful place whatsoever in the A&T section, in my opinion.

They should be banned. Take it to the humor section!

For example, there’s not been one single post in this thread (except URK’s) that has said these things about the Biblical passages we have been discussing. Not one of us discussing this has said there’s “no suffering†in Hell.

It’s destroying what could be a great tool to learn Apologetics and Theology.

Debate, disagree, better yet disagree with evidence, post opposing Scripture, fine.

But what value is there ever going to be in a member telling another member what they’ve said or what they think, even if they did get it correct. Which 95% of the time they do not get it correct, like the above statements.

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=94584]chessman[/MENTION], i'm obviously using hypothetical. For example, it's 3-4 against 1 poster. Anyone can see that.

 

[WIP]

I believe what you all are saying. I can commit all the sins I want, be judged by God and then God sends me to a place where I don't suffer

According to everyone here, God HATES sin, so what he does to the sinner is he judges them, then erases their existence, no suffering nothing.

Does anybody else participating in these A&T threads notice a problem here with posts like this?

At least 95% of the posts where a member posts to other member(s); “What you are saying is ________”, or “According to you ___________” or “You think, such and such” , etc. it’s in fact completely contrary to what the original member’s post(s) have actually said. And then 95% of the time it draws a backlash that is just banter and typically borderline hateful. Then 50% of the time what could be otherwise a good theological discussion gets blocked.

These type of posts (false accusations or their response) have no useful place whatsoever in the A&T section, in my opinion.

They should be banned. Take it to the humor section!

For example, there’s not been one single post in this thread (except URK’s) that has said these things about the Biblical passages we have been discussing. Not one of us discussing this has said there’s “no suffering” in Hell.

It’s destroying what could be a great tool to learn Apologetics and Theology.

Debate, disagree, better yet disagree with evidence, post opposing Scripture, fine.

But what value is there ever going to be in a member telling another member what they’ve said or what they think, even if they did get it correct. Which 95% of the time they do not get it correct, like the above statements.

Personally, I think this happens because of pride. It becomes more about winning the "debate" than about learning and growing from the study of scripture.

 

[chessman]

i'm obviously using hypothetical. For example, it's 3-4 against 1 poster. Anyone can see that.

This is not a game (or at least it shouldn’t be) and no one's against anyone. I personally love to learn more about this subject and God's Word and CFNet, A&T is just one tool to that end, for me. If I wanted to win and argument I’d go argue with my dog. It doesn’t work for me with my teenagersJ I seldom win.

And I'm not necessarily singling you out, although if you go back and read the whole thread none of us have said there’s no suffering in Hell or Hell is not real, or any other “hypothetical†statement about Hell you could think of.

Your post is just one of so many I’ve seen either to me or others that, if you honestly think about it for a minute, adds zero benefit to anyone here. Nobody’s claiming there’s no suffering aspect to the judgment to “goatsâ€. Might be some newagers or other religions popping in, but I’ve not seen that in this particular thread. It’s a pretty decent discussion back/forth of the Scriptures. Could be a lot better, however, if people would come to the table with actual Scriptures and their arguments for/against the topic. And leave out all misrepresentations of the participants (hypothetical or not).

We’ve been discussing what the Scriptures say about this topic. Both for and against eternal torment in Hell.

I didn’t start the OP thread nor pick the title and intro. But I don’t personally know anybody that’s ever said there’s no physical pain associated with Hell/Final Judgment. We’ve kind-of moved on to the eternality of torment in Hell, that’s the real Biblical grey area (if there is one).

Again, I’ve not seen one post that answered the OP Title with NO. But the implication to the OP question (though not specifically called out) is if the suffering will be for an eternity or not for humans and for Satan.

 

[Guest]

i'm obviously using hypothetical. For example, it's 3-4 against 1 poster. Anyone can see that.

And I'm not necessarily singling you out, although if you go back and read the whole thread none of us have said there’s no suffering in Hell or Hell is not real,

But the implication to the OP question (though not specifically called out) is if the suffering will be for an eternity or not for humans and for Satan.

I'm glad we agree then. In regards to eternity well..i can say to ease my mind that eternity means 28 days in rehab, but that wouldn't be the truth. Whether it's eternity or lasting for ages, it's hell. I'm just glad I'm not going there. It all comes down to beliefs. Beliefs will make you say 28 days in rehab then you're done, but the bible says eternity. hmm..

 

[jeff77]

Those are some great examples Urk. I don't think you are trying to put words in other peoples mouths. It's like the atheist would get his or her way in the end.

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=93598]jeff77[/MENTION] Exactly, why come to faith in Christ when you don't fear him. When we fear him, it's a good fear. Fear of God is a good thing. For example, you ever hear that saying face your fears. Well, does fear not turn into love in the end.

 

[Guest]

Another example is that the atheist doesn't understand what Jesus died for. He doesn't believe in God and he doesn't believe the devil exists. So the only thing left is LOVE. Love from God the Father that is drawing them in to salvation. After salvation, they start to understand the price that Jesus paid on the cross for them.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

Tell a murderer that's serving time in prison that he will cease to exist after he dies but Jesus loves him. lol. What is he going to choose, he doesn't fear death or God because he won't exist people. This is what you're teaching me.

To quote one of my favorite Pastor's (who doesn't agree with me on this point mind you): "Heaven isn't a place for people who are afraid of hell, it's for a people who love GOD!"

No one can get scared into the kingdom of God my friend, it is only those who love God who will see God.

Also, God's punishment isn't concerned with, "ooo how can I exert the most terrifying punishment imaginable on those who disobey me." No God's concern is JUSTICE, he is concerned that the punishment fit the crime, and Scripture is very clear on what those who commit evil deserve.

who, although they know the requirements of God, that those who do such things are worthy of death, not only do they do the same things, but also they approve of those who do them. Ro 1:32(LEB)

You see, those who commit the evil exhibited and explained in Romans 1 are worthy of death, NOT eternal torment. You see, according to this passage, mankind knows what they deserve and yet KEEP DOING IT! That is why you will never scare someone into believing in Jesus, into loving God. It is the good news of the gospel that is the power unto salvation for all men who believe, not power of the condemnation of hell that thrives off of fear.

That is why the doctrine of the eternal torment view in hell is doing nothing but hardening people to the message of the gospel in our day.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

Another example is that the atheist doesn't understand what Jesus died for. He doesn't believe in God and he doesn't believe the devil exists. So the only thing left is LOVE. Love from God the Father that is drawing them in to salvation. After salvation, they start to understand the price that Jesus paid on the cross for them.

The doctrine atheists are most critical of across the board in regards to Christianity is your concept of hell. When they want to try and convince someone not to be a Christian they will pound this subject into the ground.

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=96193]Doulos Iesou[/MENTION] You're right, the gospel of love is what changes people and not the preaching of hell. This is true, but this is also a thread about hell.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

@Doulos Iesou You're right, the gospel of love is what changes people and not the preaching of hell. This is true, but this is also a thread about hell.

Yes, it is a thread about hell, in which you said the following:

Tell a murderer that's serving time in prison that he will cease to exist after he dies but Jesus loves him. lol. What is he going to choose, he doesn't fear death or God because he won't exist people. This is what you're teaching me.

This doesn't totally mesh in my opinion with this statement.

How about this, tell the murderer that he'll burn in hell forever if he doesn't repent... and then tell him that Jesus loves him. Which one sounds more in keeping with a loving and Just God?

 

[gr8grace]

Another example is that the atheist doesn't understand what Jesus died for. He doesn't believe in God and he doesn't believe the devil exists. So the only thing left is LOVE. Love from God the Father that is drawing them in to salvation. After salvation, they start to understand the price that Jesus paid on the cross for them.

The doctrine atheists are most critical of across the board in regards to Christianity is your concept of hell. When they want to try and convince someone not to be a Christian they will pound this subject into the ground.

I disagree and Agree. The Atheist will pound this Home because it takes the focus off of Christ alone and faith alone and their personal decision for Christ. You have let the Atheist "win" the Focus and He has taken your focus away from presenting the Clear and Honest Gospel of faith alone in Christ alone.

Most religious people and reversionistic Christians will go with the Athiests lead ( and try to change Hell)because they do not believe in Faith alone in Christ alone.

Christianity could have a very "nice" Idea of Hell and the Atheist will still try to take the focus off of Christ Alone for salvation.

This world and religion will forever antagonize His Grace and His Knowledge. Even if we tried to convince the Atheist that Hell is Just doobies and daisies.(religion and the Atheist would still not believe)

Religion disagrees with Faith alone in Christ alone and eternal security for the believer. It doesn't Get much better for religion to go with the Atheist and try to appease them and take the focus off of GRACE and KNOWLEDGE of who the LORD is.

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=96193]Doulos Iesou[/MENTION] This isn't about what we should tell or not tell unbelievers about love or hell. That's a whole new thread. This thread is about if there's physical pain in hell, and finding scripture to support that. There is scripture that confirms this, but we choose to ignore it. People can ignore it, but what does that do. Do we want truth or not.