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Is poverty man-made?

john darling

john darling

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Hi all. I'm curious what others think about this question.
My position is that yes, it is man made. From what I have experienced there are enough resources in the world for everyone's needs. Not only that, but there is enough for everyone to live quite comfortably.

If you take the position that poverty is not man-made, then I'm curious as to what you think keeps poverty going. Actually, I'm curious to know the answer to that question from those who think it is man-made, too.

I look forward to the responses.
 
I can't say for sure on a worldly level, you know, in reference to nations or cities (although I lean towards those things being man-made, stemming from bad politics) but I can say for sure that personal poverty, in most cases, isn't so much an ailment as it is a symptom. Poverty is a mind-set. That's why you see people with poverty mind-sets inherit or win (lottery) or suddenly earn (sports stars) millions and millions of dollars, and end up being bankrupt and right back where they started.
 
Blake said:
That's why you see people with poverty mind-sets inherit or win (lottery) or suddenly earn (sports stars) millions and millions of dollars, and end up being bankrupt and right back where they started.
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Thanks for sharing that, Blake. It still seems to fall into the "man-made" category, though, even if it's self-man-made. Do you have any suggestions on how to over come that particular "mind-set" issue?
 
I agree, it's made.
I've heard it said that world hunger could be solved by the same cost America spends on garbage bags. Yet we spend billions on war machines. Seems we are more interested in keeping our entitlements than making the world a better place for everyone
 
john darling said:
there are enough resources in the world for everyone's needs. Not only that, but there is enough for everyone to live quite comfortably.
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So, you are saying that because you are breathing, the world owes you prosperity.?
Are you a socialist?

What about a job?
What about earning a living?
What about equipping yourself to be successful?
What about making right decisions in how you use your money?
Are these 4 not the actual means to escape poverty?
 
john darling said:
Actually, I'm curious to know the answer to that question from those who think it is man-made, too.
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I believe it comes from the greed of the rich. Do you realize that the 400 richest Americans have more money than the poorest 150,000,000 Americans combined?

Here is how it works: The rich, through all sorts of subtle and not so subtle means, "rig the game" against the poor, effectively keeping them stuck in poverty.
 
john darling said:
Hi all. I'm curious what others think about this question.
My position is that yes, it is man made. From what I have experienced there are enough resources in the world for everyone's needs. Not only that, but there is enough for everyone to live quite comfortably.

If you take the position that poverty is not man-made, then I'm curious as to what you think keeps poverty going. Actually, I'm curious to know the answer to that question from those who think it is man-made, too.

I look forward to the responses.
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Poverty is a relative concept, isn't it? By historical standards the poor in America live in incredible wealth and comfort. So, is poverty man made? No, poverty is the natural state of man not in community. A man by himself will spend every waking moment trying to find food to eat and a warm, dry place to seep safely. It's only in community (man-made) that we can concentrate on specialized tasks and trade with others for the benefit of all.
 
Kidron said:
So, you are saying that because you are breathing, the world owes you prosperity.?
Are you a socialist?
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I would say that I am

Kidron said:
What about a job?
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What about a job? Socialists work.
Kidron said:
What about earning a living?
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Socialists earn a living.
Kidron said:
What about equipping yourself to be successful?
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Socialists equip themselves to be successful.
Kidron said:
What about making right decisions in how you use your money?
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Socialist make right decisions.
 
Mike S said:
No, poverty is the natural state of man not in community. A man by himself will spend every waking moment trying to find food to eat and a warm, dry place to seep safely. It's only in community (man-made) that we can concentrate on specialized tasks and trade with others for the benefit of all.
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I completely agree with this astute remark.
 
Well I'm not rich but compared to the poor in Africa I am.I remember blowing more money in aghanistan then my workers made.when we couldn't pay one for a reason I couldn't recall I gave him 200 dollars.he was worried about me.I told him that money was blow away money.I have plenty to waste.I worked to ensure he was paid and refused any money he wanted to return
 
Drew said:
I would say that I am


What about a job? Socialists work.

Socialists earn a living.

Socialists equip themselves to be successful.

Socialist make right decisions.
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Glad to know it.

However, JD who authored the Thread said....."""""there are enough resources in the world for everyone's needs. Not only that, but there is enough for everyone to live quite comfortably."""""

So, based on that comment, i have assumed he is not thinking about grabbing a shovel anytime soon.
 
Mike S said:
Poverty is a relative concept, isn't it? By historical standards the poor in America live in incredible wealth and comfort. So, is poverty man made? No, poverty is the natural state of man not in community. A man by himself will spend every waking moment trying to find food to eat and a warm, dry place to seep safely. It's only in community (man-made) that we can concentrate on specialized tasks and trade with others for the benefit of all.
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Agreed. How community is organized, and to what ends, are the fundamental questions concerning relative poverty.
 
Drew said:
I believe it comes from the greed of the rich. Do you realize that the 400 richest Americans have more money than the poorest 150,000,000 Americans combined?

Here is how it works: The rich, through all sorts of subtle and not so subtle means, "rig the game" against the poor, effectively keeping them stuck in poverty.
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I'd say you about nailed that but half the people won't believe it
 
Kidron said:
Glad to know it.

However, JD who authored the Thread said....."""""there are enough resources in the world for everyone's needs. Not only that, but there is enough for everyone to live quite comfortably."""""

So, based on that comment, i have assumed he is not thinking about grabbing a shovel anytime soon.
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The man who picks up the shovel has less buying power than the man who picked up the shovel 20 years ago . However the man who owns the shovel is putting more money in his pocket and the guy who own the shovel 20 years ago
 
StoveBolts said:
The man who picks up the shovel has less buying power than the man who picked up the shovel 20 years ago . However the man who owns the shovel is putting more money in his pocket and the guy who own the shovel 20 years ago
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While I'm not a fan of corporatism,I don't see the government as a friend to the poor.
 
StoveBolts said:
The man who picks up the shovel has less buying power than the man who picked up the shovel 20 years ago . However the man who owns the shovel is putting more money in his pocket and the guy who own the shovel 20 years ago
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That's it.
Drew said:
I believe it comes from the greed of the rich. Do you realize that the 400 richest Americans have more money than the poorest 150,000,000 Americans combined?

Here is how it works: The rich, through all sorts of subtle and not so subtle means, "rig the game" against the poor, effectively keeping them stuck in poverty.
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Yup. But try to convince people that it's rigged and they will tell you that it is capitalism.
 
StoveBolts said:
Of course not.... Cause of corporate donations and sponsors...
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Lotto,perfect example,it is targeted at low income they are mostly likely to play it.unions are trying to get exemptions to min wage laws, and Obamacare.yet they backed both
 
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