Is Second Coming IMMINENT?

[locust]

Here is what the Lord through Paul teaches us -


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


The resurrection and rapture take place at His coming;
The second coming of Christ.


But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

first you have to get past Armageddon

 

[JLB]

first you have to get past Armageddon

I’m just quoted the scripture that teaches us when the resurrection and rapture take place.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


The coming of the Lord; the second coming of Christ.

 

[locust]

I’m just quoted the scripture that teaches us when the resurrection and rapture take place.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


The coming of the Lord; the second coming of Christ.

when does Armageddon happen ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Do you believe Christ could return at any moment or only after a tribulation period?

Only after a tribulation, around 2033, 2000 years after the Pentecost in Acts 2. He returns on the day of atonement, the first day of a Jubilee year, this is prophesied in Is. 61.

“The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
To console those who mourn in Zion,
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.”

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Ya know this got me to thinking,

If Christ said he would return like a thief in the night, then knowing he would come at the end of a trib period would seem to conflict with the statement.

Any thoughts on this?

:-?

"Thief in the night" was a nickname for the head priest who would drop by the temple to check on the night watch. If the priest on the night watch was caught sleeping, he would set the sleepyhead's robe on fire, in reaction the priest would strip off the robe and run away naked.

 

[JLB]

when does Armageddon happen ?

What does that have to do with the resurrection of the dead in Christ? The resurrection comes first before the rapture.

Don’t you believe asking when the tribulation occurs is a better question?

 

[JLB]

"Thief in the night" was a nickname for the head priest who would drop by the temple to check on the night watch. If the priest on the night watch was caught sleeping, he would set the sleepyhead's robe on fire, in reaction the priest would strip off the robe and run away naked.

True.

The good news is the day of the Lord won’t come as a thief in the night for Christians who know the signs Jesus gave, and are awake.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Ok , let me show you what you are looking at when you see this ,
Bruce.Leiter hawkman this is called tagging you so you and I will be notified and see the post , but we are not twins now . I tagged you and FHG in the other post .
You tag someone by putting an @ and then typing their user name next to the @ without a space between the @ and the user name .

Ah, thank you, hawkman! Now, I have to remember which forum this applies to and to do it here with my 82-year-old brain.

 

[miamited]

"Thief in the night" was a nickname for the head priest who would drop by the temple to check on the night watch. If the priest on the night watch was caught sleeping, he would set the sleepyhead's robe on fire, in reaction the priest would strip off the robe and run away naked.

Hi Carry_Your_Name

That's such an odd explanation. Do you have any resource material to back that up? It's one of those things that makes me go, "I think that needs to be checked".

Never mind. I checked it myself and it seems to be a real thing. Carry on.

 

[miamited]

Hey Bruce.Leiter

Yes, the post you brought up is about 21 years old. You can generally put in someone's screen name in the format of @personsname, you'll get a pop up that will tell you if they're still around. I think JM left back when the political discussion threads were removed, but I could be mistaken. I think a lot of folks were on here just to discuss world politics.

 

[locust]

What does that have to do with the resurrection of the dead in Christ? The resurrection comes first before the rapture.

Don’t you believe asking when the tribulation occurs is a better question?

''the dead in Christ?'' are you referring to the elect ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Hi Carry_Your_Name

That's such an odd explanation. Do you have any resource material to back that up? It's one of those things that makes me go, "I think that needs to be checked".

Never mind. I checked it myself and it seems to be a real thing. Carry on.

THE THIEF IN THE NIGHT, A HEBREW IDIOM | FaithWriters

<span style='font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: small;'>The phrase “Thief In The Night” was a known Hebrew idiom during the first coming of Yeshua – it was a title applied to the High Priest

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[miamited]

THE THIEF IN THE NIGHT, A HEBREW IDIOM | FaithWriters

<span style='font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: small;'>The phrase “Thief In The Night” was a known Hebrew idiom during the first coming of Yeshua – it was a title applied to the High Priest

www.faithwriters.com

thanks Carry_Your_Name

Yes, I looked it up and it appears it is really a thing. Of course, the meaning is still the same whether it applies to a Hebrew priest or an actual thief. Although, since Jesus ties it to a 'house', he likely meant an actual thief.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

thanks Carry_Your_Name

Yes, I looked it up and it appears it is really a thing. Of course, the meaning is still the same whether it applies to a Hebrew priest or an actual thief. Although, since Jesus ties it to a 'house', he likely meant an actual thief.

Well I'd rather believe the bible is consistent, "thief in the night" is referred to as the same Hebrew idiom.

 

[Oseas]

Prayer for restoration to sanctuary privileges. Psalm 43 (adapted as prayer of our own).
1 Judge us, O God, and plead our cause against an ungodly NATION: O deliver us from the deceitful and unjust man.
2 For thou art the GOD of our strength: ...
3 O send out thy Light and thy Truth: let them lead us; let them bring us unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles.
4 Then will we go unto the altar of you O GOD, GOD of our exceeding joy: yea, upon the harp will we praise thee, O GOD, our GOD.
5 Why art thou cast down, and why art thou disquieted within us, O soul?? hope in GOD: for we shall yet praise Him, who is the health of our countenance, and our GOD.
Amen

Revelation 11:16-18
17 We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and was, and art to come; because thou has taken to thee thy great power, and reigned.
18 And the nations will be angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged(Daniel 12:1-3, take a look), and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and grea(Hebrews 1:1-3); and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 The temple of GOD(1Corinthians 3:16) is opened in heaven(Ephesians 1:3-8), and will be seen in His temple(1Corinthians 3:16) the ark of His testament: and there will be lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.(Revelation 10:5-11, take a look).
Amen

 

[Oseas]

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:8

 

[MisterE]

If Christ said he would return like a thief in the night, then knowing he would come at the end of a trib period would seem to conflict with the statement.

The Return as a thief is not related to the Second Coming. The Second Coming can be calculated to the day.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Return as a thief is not related to the Second Coming. The Second Coming can be calculated to the day.

These scriptures make it very clear that Jesus comes as a thief in the night, but no one knows the day or the hour of His return, but that we need to be prepared before Jesus returns.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
1Thess 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Thess 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Thess 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

 

[miamited]

Well I'd rather believe the bible is consistent, "thief in the night" is referred to as the same Hebrew idiom.

Hi Carry_Your_Name

Yes, but its intention is the same. Both the priest and the thief sneak up on someone unawares.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Hi Carry_Your_Name

Yes, but its intention is the same. Both the priest and the thief sneak up on someone unawares.

I don't think so. The Lord is not a burglar. He who commanded "you shall not steal" wouldn't steal.