Is Second Coming IMMINENT?

[Carry_Your_Name]

These scriptures make it very clear that Jesus comes as a thief in the night, but no one knows the day or the hour of His return, but that we need to be prepared before Jesus returns.

Isn't it also very clear that the timing is set at "immediately AFTER the tribulation?"

 

[miamited]

I don't think so. The Lord is not a burglar. He who commanded "you shall not steal" wouldn't steal.

I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand the intent of the words. God bless. Maybe it would help if you read the entirety of the words in context instead of dwelling on just the single sentence.

 

[for_his_glory]

Isn't it also very clear that the timing is set at "immediately AFTER the tribulation?"

Yes, the timing is after the tribulations in what the son of perdition will bring forth, but do you know the day and hour that this will all take place, no. The timing in what we are to watch for is only Gods timing. All we know is that we must be prepared to be caught up to Jesus as no one knows the day or the hour of His return, Matthew 24:36-39.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi Carry_Your_Name

Yes, but its intention is the same. Both the priest and the thief sneak up on someone unawares.

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Jesus comes as a thief in the night is likened to an actual thief that comes and no one is prepared. This is why He tells us to watch and be prepared for His coming.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yes, the timing is after the tribulations in what the son of perdition will bring forth, but do you know the day and hour that this will all take place, no. The timing in what we are to watch for is only Gods timing. All we know is that we must be prepared to be caught up to Jesus as no one knows the day or the hour of His return, Matthew 24:36-39.

That's because the little horn has changed God's times and laws. Everywhere the second coming is mentioned, there's the blowing of a trumpet, that's a direct reference to the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month on God's calendar; after that, the Day of Atonement for judgement, and the Feast of Tabernacle for celebration, that was common knowledge in 1st century Jewish culture. But which day is it on Gregory Calendar? Does anybody know that? Nope. What we ought to do is discern the SIGNS of the time. If the timing of His return was concealed from us on purpose, we're not supposed to know, then what's the point of watching for the signs of his coming? What's the point of the whole Olivert Discourse, Lord Jesus's longest sermon?

 

[for_his_glory]

That's because the little horn has changed God's times and laws. Everywhere the second coming is mentioned, there's the blowing of a trumpet, that's a direct reference to the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month on God's calendar; after that, the Day of Atonement for judgement, and the Feast of Tabernacle for celebration, that was common knowledge in 1st century Jewish culture. But which day is it on Gregory Calendar? Does anybody know that? Nope. What we ought to do is discern the SIGNS of the time. If the timing of His return was concealed from us on purpose, we're not supposed to know, then what's the point of watching for the signs of his coming? What's the point of the whole Olivert Discourse, Lord Jesus's longest sermon?

Matthew 24 the disciples asked Jesus three questions, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Jesus answered these three questions in Matthew 24; 1Corinthians 15:51-58; 2Peter 3:10; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:1-58; Rev 19:11-21 just to name a few.

We watch and wait for the return of Christ on the last day so we will not be taken as a thief in the night as we prepare ourselves to be caught up to Him when He returns.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand the intent of the words. God bless. Maybe it would help if you read the entirety of the words in context instead of dwelling on just the single sentence.

You should heed your own advice when it comes to the phrase "no one knows the day or the hour". That's an explicit reference to the feast of trumpets, set on the first day of the seventh month, and the timing of this day is determined by the first sighting of a new moon in Judea.

 

[miamited]

You should heed your own advice when it comes to the phrase "no one knows the day or the hour". That's an explicit reference to the feast of trumpets, set on the first day of the seventh month, and the timing of this day is determined by the first sighting of a new moon in Judea.

Mornin' Carry_Your_Name We can certainly discuss the entirety of the Scriptures at some point. As I understand, the issue that we are discussing here is only the words that Jesus spoke about his return being like a thief in the night. Now, you've made the claim that he was referencing some practice of the chief priest of the temple going around and sneaking up on other priests doing their duties. That's fine. But even if we consider that he was actually talking about a real burglar breaking into someone's home at night as being a surprise to them, the intent of what Jesus was talking about as it relates to his return is the same. Many will be surprised and unprepared for his return.

Personally, I think that because Jesus mentions someone's house in the reference, I believe that he was intending the latter use of the phrase.

Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

He says to them, "know this, that if the master of the house had known..." That just doesn't sound to me like he's trying to paint a picture of a chief priest sneaking up on some unawares individual.

As far as this day and hour reference that you've made, I'm not giving any kind of prediction concerning the day and hour of his return. I honestly don't see how that comment applies to our discussion. And where the mention of a feast got into this is also beyond me.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Mornin' Carry_Your_Name We can certainly discuss the entirety of the Scriptures at some point. As I understand, the issue that we are discussing here is only the words that Jesus spoke about his return being like a thief in the night. Now, you've made the claim that he was referencing some practice of the chief priest of the temple going around and sneaking up on other priests doing their duties. That's fine. But even if we consider that he was actually talking about a real burglar breaking into someone's home at night as being a surprise to them, the intent of what Jesus was talking about as it relates to his return is the same. Many will be surprised and unprepared for his return.

Personally, I think that because Jesus mentions someone's house in the reference, I believe that he was intending the latter use of the phrase.

Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

He says to them, "know this, that if the master of the house had known..." That just doesn't sound to me like he's trying to paint a picture of a chief priest sneaking up on some unawares individual.

As far as this day and hour reference that you've made, I'm not giving any kind of prediction concerning the day and hour of his return. I honestly don't see how that comment applies to our discussion. And where the mention of a feast got into this is also beyond me.

The day and hour is set at the timing of "immediately after the tribulation," and the Great Tribulation is exactly 1260 days. If we're not supposed to know, why would he reveal this? You wanna get a grip on what he's talking about, look no further at the disciples in the garden of Gethsemane, Jesus instructed them to stay up and pray, they all fell asleep until Judas led the soldiers to arrest Jesus. That may not be the coming of the Son of Man, but that surely was the revealing of the Son of Perdition, and that's the beginning of the end as Paul wrote.

 

[miamited]

The day and hour is set at the timing of "immediately after the tribulation," and the Great Tribulation is exactly 1260 days. If we're not supposed to know, why would he reveal this? You wanna get a grip on what he's talking about, look no further at the disciples in the garden of Gethsemane, Jesus instructed them to stay up and pray, they all fell asleep until Judas led the soldiers to arrest Jesus. That may not be the coming of the Son of Man, but that surely was the revealing of the Son of Perdition, and that's the beginning of the end as Paul wrote.

Hi again Carry_Your_Name could you give me some instruction as to what any of this post has to do with what we are discussing as regards the phrase 'thief in the night'? How does Jesus and the apostles praying in the garden of Gethsemane apply to whether or not Jesus intended us to understand that he was referencing the practice of the High priest in sneaking up on other priests, or was referencing a man's home being broken into by a thief?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Hi again Carry_Your_Name could you give me some instruction as to what any of this post has to do with what we are discussing as regards the phrase 'thief in the night'? How does Jesus and the apostles praying in the garden of Gethsemane apply to whether or not Jesus intended us to understand that he was referencing the practice of the High priest in sneaking up on other priests, or was referencing a man's home being broken into by a thief?

The priest is tasked to keep the fire burning on the alter, which symbolizes the Holy Spirit, it's a Torah reference. If we don't watch out and replenish the oil, the fire may go out. Jesus was simply warning about sleeping on the job, garden of Gethsemane was an example.

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: “Command the children of Israel that they bring to you pure oil of pressed olives for the light, to make the lamps burn continually. Outside the veil of the Testimony, in the tabernacle of meeting, Aaron shall be in charge of it from evening until morning before the Lord continually; it shall be a statute forever in your generations. He shall be in charge of the lamps on the pure gold lampstand before the Lord continually. (Lev. 24:1-4)

 

[miamited]

Hi again Carry_Your_Name If I may briefly recap what you and I have been discussing.

This line of discussion began with your post #45. In that post you made a reference that when Jesus said to the people the phrase 'thief in the night' that all of the people would have understood that he was speaking about a practice in which the chief priest was referred to as a 'thief in the night' because he would often sneak up on other priests to check on them.

I questioned that and then found out that it was such a thing. But I denied that it's what Jesus was intending because he mentions a man in his house and his house being broken into in the night by a thief. Then you responded that Jesus wouldn't have referenced his return by using some reference to a common criminal type thief.

Now this last post of mine that you quoted and then went on about the end times, which I agree is what the thread title is about, was not about that but about our discussing Jesus' use of the term 'thief in the night'. I even supplied the appropriate text of the Scriptures. So, I'm sitting here fairly confused as to why you're writing about something that has nothing to do with the post of mine that you quoted as your issue of discussion.

If you now want to move the discussion along and back to the titular scope of this thread, that's fine, and I encourage that. But why copy my post about a response to the 'thief in the night' discussion that we have been carrying on and bringing up these other points. Just move on.

 

[miamited]

The priest is tasked to keep the fire burning on the alter, which symbolizes the Holy Spirit, it's a Torah reference. If we don't watch out and replenish the oil, the fire may go out. Jesus was simply warning about sleeping on the job, garden of Gethsemane was an example.

Hi Carry_Your_Name I agree with that. But it doesn't make sense for Jesus to speak of a man in his house being broken into, if what he's attempting to convey is that the priest has to keep the fire burning. No. I don't make that connection. God bless and I'm ready to move on. As I said, either way, the intent of the reference is the same. Many will be caught unawares when Jesus returns. Whether we think of that in terms of a thief breaking into a man's house at night or in terms of the chief priest sneaking up on other priests, the intent of his words would have been the same.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Hi Carry_Your_Name I agree with that. But it doesn't make sense for Jesus to speak of a man in his house being broken into, if what he's attempting to convey is that the priest has to keep the fire burning. No. I don't make that connection. God bless and I'm ready to move on. As I said, either way, the intent of the reference is the same. Many will be caught unawares when Jesus returns. Whether we think of that in terms of a thief breaking into a man's house at night or in terms of the chief priest sneaking up on other priests, the intent of his words would have been the same.

And as I said, it's simply a reference, as long as you take it literally by comparing the Son of Man as a burglar instead of an analogy like all of Jesus's parables, don't blame me for not making a connection. I believe the bible is consistent, all mentions of "thief in the night" refer to the same thing.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Now this last post of mine that you quoted and then went on about the end times, which I agree is what the thread title is about, was not about that but about our discussing Jesus' use of the term 'thief in the night'. I even supplied the appropriate text of the Scriptures. So, I'm sitting here fairly confused as to why you're writing about something that has nothing to do with the post of mine that you quoted as your issue of discussion.

If you now want to move the discussion along and back to the titular scope of this thread, that's fine, and I encourage that. But why copy my post about a response to the 'thief in the night' discussion that we have been carrying on and bringing up these other points. Just move on.

Well I'm confused too - do you take it literally or not? If you take it literally, I've rebuked you that Lord Jesus is not a burglar, it is Satan who steals, the Lord doesn't violate his own commandment "thou shalt not steal"; if you take it spiritually, I've pointed out the specific reference repeatedly, then you just play dumb as you see "no connection", so what are you up to?

Regarding the title of this thread, I do believe the end is imminent, we're living in the end time. The Antichrist will be revealed first (2 Thess. 2:3-4), he's given three and a half year to reign over the whole earth, known as the "great tribulation"; then "immediately AFTER the tribulation", great signs of his return will appear, then the whole earth will see him descending on a cloud (Matt. 24:29-30), that's the Lord's own schedule, I didn't make any of these up. Whatever you think a "thief in the night" means, you go fit your definition in this schedule, man, I'm not gonna argue with you.

 

[miamited]

Hi Carry_Your_Name

Regarding the title of this thread, I do believe the end is imminent, we're living in the end time.

I also believe that we certainly could be within 50 years of Jesus' return. But there are still some signs yet to be seen.

 

[Oseas]

Hi Carry_Your_Name

I also believe that we certainly could be within 50 years of Jesus' return. But there are still some signs yet to be seen.

2Thessalonians 2:1-4
Around 2000 years ago, Paul Apostle wrote:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the Day of Christ (seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium)is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day(the Lord's Day) shall not come, EXCEPT there come a falling away first, and that man of sin(the false lamb, false messiah, an esoteric and kabbalistic messiah, the little horn)be revealed, the son of perdition;(John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11, and so on).
4 Who (will)oppose(th) and exalt(eth) himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God (will) sit(teth) in the temple of God(in Jerusalem-Revelation 13:2 combined with Luke 21:24 and Revealtion 11:2, take a look), shewing himself that he is God.
Get ready

Philippians 3:13-16 & 20-21:
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of GOD in Christ JESUS.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, GOD shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us WALK by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
20 For our conversation is in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord JESUS Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body(this is a process, not a magic - 1Coprinthians 15:51-54), according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself (Matthew 28:18, take a look)

2Thessalonians 1:7-12
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord JESUS Christ:
9 Who shall be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power;
10 When He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that Day.
11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our GOD would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of His goodness, and the work of faith with power:
12 That the name of our Lord JESUS Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in Him, according to the grace of our GOD and the Lord JESUS Christ.

DANIEL 12:1-3 and 10-12
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble(Matthew 24:15-22), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake(Isaiah 26:19-21 and 1Thessalonians 4:15-16, take a look), some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away(the sacrifice of JESUS has aleady lasted around 738000 days),and the abomination that maketh desolate set up(the false messiah, the esoteric, and kabbalistic messiah, a false lamb-Revelation 13:11, and so on), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Yes, blessed is he that waits and comes to the day 1335, Yeah, day 1335, the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day 1.335. Hallelujaaah!!!

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yes, blessed is he that waits and comes to the day 1335, Yeah, day 1335, the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day 1.335. Hallelujaaah!!!

So far the only biblical and reasonable interpretation of this "1335 days" is the length of time of the great tribulation (1260 days) plus 75 day from the Day of Atonement to the Feast of Dedication (Hanukkah), which is set on the 25th day of the 9th month. If you accept the "Day of Vengeance" (Is. 61:2) as the Day of Atonement (10th of the 7th month), pin that day on a 360-day calendar (390 days for a leap year), count 75 days - 20+30+25, then you land exactly on Hanukkah.

 

[JLB]

Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

• But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4

 

[JLB]

So far the only biblical and reasonable interpretation of this "1335 days" is the length of time of the great tribulation (1260 days) plus 75 day from the Day of Atonement to the Feast of Dedication (Hanukkah), which is set on the 25th day of the 9th month. If you accept the "Day of Vengeance" (Is. 61:2) as the Day of Atonement (10th of the 7th month), pin that day on a 360-day calendar (390 days for a leap year), count 75 days - 20+30+25, then you land exactly on Hanukkah.

Most likely He will return on the feast of Trumpets.


The feast of Trumpets was also called “the day or hour no one knows.”

It begins on the sighting of the new moon and announced by Trumpets.