Papa Zoom
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Plus, even if we didn't have any manuscripts, we could reconstruct most of the NT from the Church Father's writings.
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Is the bible the Word of God?
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Jim Parker
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If I may interject; since no one has seen the "original autographs" in the last about 1900 years for the NT and at least about 2500 years for the OT, that declaration is, essentially, meaningless.
Today, we have excellent translations of the Bible based on the oldest and best manuscripts available and we cannot agree about what it tells us. It seems to me that the inspiration of the READER is the greatest impediment to an "inerrant" reading of the Bible.
Hmmmmmm........
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Stop making sense!If I may interject; since no one has seen the "original autographs" in the last about 1900 years for the NT and at least about 2500 years for the OT, that declaration is, essentially, meaningless.
Today, we have excellent translations of the Bible based on the oldest and best manuscripts available and we cannot agree about what it tells us. It seems to me that the inspiration of the READER is the greatest impediment to an "inerrant" reading of the Bible.
Hmmmmmm........
I was going to disagree with this but I read it twice and skimmed it once more. Then I realized that you make a good point. Plus, there are several ways to look at the question of the original autographs. It's one thing to agree that in the original autographs, they are without error (or however it's stated). And it's another thing to show how the Bible we have now can be considered equal to in content and truth as that of the Original Autographs. I believe that the OA are without error and that God has preserved His word (that which we have today). There are many ways of showing this but books have been written on the subject and I'm no expert. Finally, there's the "other thing" to consider. The reader. Darn the reader. Too many readers and too many HS filled explanations for too many verses and all that.
Yes the Bible is the Word of God. But does OUR Bible contain the WORDS of God? To that I say no. The words we have are an interpretation from the copied language (Greek and Hebrew) and translators had the difficulty of finding proper words to communicate ideas, thoughts, words, that ONLY the original language could communicate properly. Some languages have no words available for proper translation. One example is found in the book Bruchko and his efforts to translate God's word into the Motilone Indians' language. How do you explain to them what it means to put one's trust in Jesus? You cannot use the original words (God's exact words) because they don't exist in the Motilone language. Then this happened:
Bruce is from my hometown. I didn't know him except from reading the book in college. What a great story. The moral of my post is this: It's not the words that matter most, it's the Truth (God's Truth) behind the words/ideas.
This goes to the heart of something I've said many times (and mostly get ignored): The Bible Doesn't Say Anything--because the reader reads and infers meaning. How else does one explain the multitude of explanations for Biblical truth?
The Original Autographs aren't the issue and neither are the translations and neither are the copies of copies of copies. We, all of us, are the problem.
Yes, the Bible IS the Word of God (or if you prefer, "contains" the word - or words God intended to have said). The problem is us. We just have to work harder at understanding. And that's going to mean getting at least some understanding of the history of our faith going back to Abraham. Oh heck, back to Adam.
The only thing man added to the Bible are book title, chapter and verse to make it easier to read. Yes, it is penned by the Prophets and Apostles who gave their witness and testify of what God has spoken for every situation that concerned faith and belief in God in the OT and Jesus in the NT.
Even though Paul said I a lot it was to let others know that it was he who was given permission from God to speak to the Church, body of Christ, either in person or by letters as he spoke on the behalf of God.
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The Bible:
" every tongue will confess "
" every knee will bow "
Naysayers:
" The Bible is a collection of myths / history written by cave-dwelling nomadic goat herders "
Go ahead and ponder how " every tongue confesses " and " every knee bows " if you have a percentage of the people who still doubt the Bible is divine..........( you can't, otherwise it invalidates the Bible's statements )
Before you do that though, ponder how " divinity " would be objectively defined in the first place, because you can't objectively prove the book is " divine " without first having an objective definition of " divinity "
Then give some thought as to why the book has not been proven divine, even though it's quite old, nor has " divinity " been objectively defined
Until Christ appears, there will be no objective definition of divinity that validates the Bible or Christianity
Then, if you want to wrestle with something else, wrestle with the fact that no matter how many years you've claimed to have " studied " the Bible ( I've studied the Bible for ______ years, this post is nonsense, harumph harumph ! " ), you will never know everything about the book no matter how much you'd like to insist that you do
For me, the book is a treasure chest that is full to the brim whenever I open it
The Bible IS the word of God, make no doubt about it, but what would give you the idea that anybody but Christ could prove it to the world ?
Until then, faith is all there is
If you don't have faith that Jesus could once and for all settle the issue, then you may have the wrong religion
" every tongue will confess "
" every knee will bow "
Naysayers:
" The Bible is a collection of myths / history written by cave-dwelling nomadic goat herders "
Go ahead and ponder how " every tongue confesses " and " every knee bows " if you have a percentage of the people who still doubt the Bible is divine..........( you can't, otherwise it invalidates the Bible's statements )
Before you do that though, ponder how " divinity " would be objectively defined in the first place, because you can't objectively prove the book is " divine " without first having an objective definition of " divinity "
Then give some thought as to why the book has not been proven divine, even though it's quite old, nor has " divinity " been objectively defined
Until Christ appears, there will be no objective definition of divinity that validates the Bible or Christianity
Then, if you want to wrestle with something else, wrestle with the fact that no matter how many years you've claimed to have " studied " the Bible ( I've studied the Bible for ______ years, this post is nonsense, harumph harumph ! " ), you will never know everything about the book no matter how much you'd like to insist that you do
For me, the book is a treasure chest that is full to the brim whenever I open it
The Bible IS the word of God, make no doubt about it, but what would give you the idea that anybody but Christ could prove it to the world ?
Until then, faith is all there is
If you don't have faith that Jesus could once and for all settle the issue, then you may have the wrong religion
The people who wrote the Bible were clearly inspired by God. Specifically, they heard words from God, saw events, and even were instructed by the One whose name is called "The Word of God" to write what they did!
So is the Bible the Word of God. It is not the One who told them to written, but they wrote according to what they were told. So calling the Bible "The Word of God" is fine so long as we understand that Jesus Christ is called the "Word of God", also. Thus we call the Bible the Word of God, because it's writing and words were inspired by God, and we call Jesus Christ The Word of God, because He is the One who has the words of God for us personally.
Still, this is confusing many!!! Indeed, why the question in the OP?
What I find particularly interesting is that the Bible so often and in key places, specifically calls Jesus Christ the Word of God and in a study of the Bible, it is hard to find a place where the Scriptures are specifically called the Word of God! So those who wrote the Bible knew Jesus Christ as the Word of God. Let me show you the Scriptures to make the point.
Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
I started my proof in Revelation, because to many Jesus Christ's name being "The Word of God" is a revelation! And I think that is why John wrote it in the book we call Revelation. I think John knew that Jesus being The Word of God was a revelation, and if God was indeed inspiring John to write, like we say, God must also have had a purpose to having the verse written and kept in our Sacred Writings. God must of known this was knowing the Jesus Christ has a name which is "The Word of God" is still a revelation to so many.
However, this was covered through out the Bible.
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying.....
Now a word doesn't say but a person says. So "the word of the Lord" was the name of the person who showed up to Abram in a vision saying... That is the Christ, whom today we call Jesus because He is God's salvation, showed up in a vision and was speaking to Abram. So the Christ was know as Jesus (God's Salvation) when He took on flesh and came to save the world, but He was always know as the One who came a spoke to men of God.
And this little bit of information remain interesting if you look up 'word of the Lord' and replace it with "Jesus Christ"
1 Sam 15:10 Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying -
If John in Revelation is correct, It could read "Then came Jesus Christ unto Samuel, saying ...
You see, a word is something said not someone coming and saying unless "The Word" is the name of the person coming and saying. And not knowing what to call the One who was showing up and speaking to them, those who wrote the Bible simply called Him "The Word of God". That was and still is His name. Just like we might call Him Wonderful Counselor because He gives us wonderful counsel, they called Him The Word of God because He was the One with the words of God.
And we need to be listening to what He has to say to us today. If we did, wouldn't we also know Him as "The Word of God" meaning He is the One that talks to us? John did.
Again we see that the gospel of John starts off, "Jn 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
And John keeps this up. Jn 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us
So the Word is a person, even the Christ whom we usually call Jesus. And the writing testify about Him, but sadly this information is too often still a revelation to Christians today. This is not new, but was the case then also.
That is why The Word who took on Flesh told the Jews, Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
Now "the Scriptures" are our Bible. The Greek word used for 'Scriptures" is Graphe, not Logos or Rhema. That is; people like John and Paul, when they wanted to refer to the sacred writings as a whole they used the word Graphe which is not translated The Word in your Bible. Which is very ironic, that we tend to call the sacred writing as a whole "The Word" when they writers of the Bible did not!
Yet now we are getting into a discussion of semantics. And that can lead to arguments that are not important. What is important is the we seek the voice of the Lord. He still speaks, and He never leaves us. And we are not to be saying in our heart "Who will ascend into heaven" So we find Him (not the Scriptures) in our heart and even on our lips at times, if we have the Holy Spirit leading us.
Of course, if we don't have the Holy Spirit leading us, then perhaps we have been searching the Scriptures thinking in them we have eternal life instead of seeking the voice of the Lord. In that case this discussion is not about semantics at all! Then it is about knowing the Lord. It is about life and death! It is about heaven of hell! And for that reason I will cover this topic over and over and over so that some will start making it about seeking Him!!
When He took on flesh, that is what He did. He started asking about who had ears to hear. He started explaining that His sheep hear His voice. He said that His words were spirit. And things like
Jn 5:46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, but if you do not
So is the Bible the Word of God. It is not the One who told them to written, but they wrote according to what they were told. So calling the Bible "The Word of God" is fine so long as we understand that Jesus Christ is called the "Word of God", also. Thus we call the Bible the Word of God, because it's writing and words were inspired by God, and we call Jesus Christ The Word of God, because He is the One who has the words of God for us personally.
Still, this is confusing many!!! Indeed, why the question in the OP?
What I find particularly interesting is that the Bible so often and in key places, specifically calls Jesus Christ the Word of God and in a study of the Bible, it is hard to find a place where the Scriptures are specifically called the Word of God! So those who wrote the Bible knew Jesus Christ as the Word of God. Let me show you the Scriptures to make the point.
Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
I started my proof in Revelation, because to many Jesus Christ's name being "The Word of God" is a revelation! And I think that is why John wrote it in the book we call Revelation. I think John knew that Jesus being The Word of God was a revelation, and if God was indeed inspiring John to write, like we say, God must also have had a purpose to having the verse written and kept in our Sacred Writings. God must of known this was knowing the Jesus Christ has a name which is "The Word of God" is still a revelation to so many.
However, this was covered through out the Bible.
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying.....
Now a word doesn't say but a person says. So "the word of the Lord" was the name of the person who showed up to Abram in a vision saying... That is the Christ, whom today we call Jesus because He is God's salvation, showed up in a vision and was speaking to Abram. So the Christ was know as Jesus (God's Salvation) when He took on flesh and came to save the world, but He was always know as the One who came a spoke to men of God.
And this little bit of information remain interesting if you look up 'word of the Lord' and replace it with "Jesus Christ"
1 Sam 15:10 Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying -
If John in Revelation is correct, It could read "Then came Jesus Christ unto Samuel, saying ...
You see, a word is something said not someone coming and saying unless "The Word" is the name of the person coming and saying. And not knowing what to call the One who was showing up and speaking to them, those who wrote the Bible simply called Him "The Word of God". That was and still is His name. Just like we might call Him Wonderful Counselor because He gives us wonderful counsel, they called Him The Word of God because He was the One with the words of God.
And we need to be listening to what He has to say to us today. If we did, wouldn't we also know Him as "The Word of God" meaning He is the One that talks to us? John did.
Again we see that the gospel of John starts off, "Jn 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
And John keeps this up. Jn 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us
So the Word is a person, even the Christ whom we usually call Jesus. And the writing testify about Him, but sadly this information is too often still a revelation to Christians today. This is not new, but was the case then also.
That is why The Word who took on Flesh told the Jews, Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
Now "the Scriptures" are our Bible. The Greek word used for 'Scriptures" is Graphe, not Logos or Rhema. That is; people like John and Paul, when they wanted to refer to the sacred writings as a whole they used the word Graphe which is not translated The Word in your Bible. Which is very ironic, that we tend to call the sacred writing as a whole "The Word" when they writers of the Bible did not!
Yet now we are getting into a discussion of semantics. And that can lead to arguments that are not important. What is important is the we seek the voice of the Lord. He still speaks, and He never leaves us. And we are not to be saying in our heart "Who will ascend into heaven" So we find Him (not the Scriptures) in our heart and even on our lips at times, if we have the Holy Spirit leading us.
Of course, if we don't have the Holy Spirit leading us, then perhaps we have been searching the Scriptures thinking in them we have eternal life instead of seeking the voice of the Lord. In that case this discussion is not about semantics at all! Then it is about knowing the Lord. It is about life and death! It is about heaven of hell! And for that reason I will cover this topic over and over and over so that some will start making it about seeking Him!!
When He took on flesh, that is what He did. He started asking about who had ears to hear. He started explaining that His sheep hear His voice. He said that His words were spirit. And things like
Jn 5:46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, but if you do not
Outside of the Prophets we have absolutely no indication that the authors wrote what they audibly heard God tell them to write. It was inspiration, not dictation.
Two things occur to me.
Jesus is the Word of God
The bible is a record of peoples reactions to the Word of God and the conversations etc that took place.
God could have created His word as a book, and everyone just read it.
The problem is the bible speaks to you different things as one grows and changes, like leaves of a flower
openning up, where once only the occasional word struck home, now most of it does.
I used to read the prophets and wonder what they were on about. Now I am staggard at how they coped
with such corrupt, evil, exploitative individuals without giving up hope.
We want things to be clean cut, precise, defined, concrete, yet God appears to want honesty, openness
and working with strengths and weaknesses, adjusting to the issues and people as things progress.
So Peter, the man of faith, denies Christ, yet Christ prays for him, and in the end reconciliation.
Some say, oh but God foreknew, it was certain, not realising things are only certain in hindsight, all the
ingredients have to be there to bring it about. Abraham and Isaac, only in the offering was faith
established, only through the action did true life break forth.
Jesus on the cross showed Gods commitment to man and forgiveness, what He was prepared to forgive
and how we could approach Him and eternity. But many even with this want to rush in as if it is just a
free ride to paradise, a joyous pain free experience of indulgence, wealth and luxury, getting what our
status deserves.
Or believers who see the word obey and replace it with believe, self editing text to passify guilt and sinful
behaviour which they do not want to resolve.
But God allows this, because in the end the Kingdom is about people who follow, who listen, who learn and
who love others, not self indulgent, self serving worriers who will compromise everything just so they do not
have to change anything but get all the benefits, peace, peace, peace they cry.
For from the least to the greatest of them,
everyone is greedy for unjust gain;
and from prophet to priest,
everyone deals falsely.
14 They have healed the wound of my people lightly,
saying, ‘Peace, peace,’
when there is no peace.
15 Were they ashamed when they committed abomination?
No, they were not at all ashamed;
they did not know how to blush.
Jer 6:13-15
Jesus is the Word of God
The bible is a record of peoples reactions to the Word of God and the conversations etc that took place.
God could have created His word as a book, and everyone just read it.
The problem is the bible speaks to you different things as one grows and changes, like leaves of a flower
openning up, where once only the occasional word struck home, now most of it does.
I used to read the prophets and wonder what they were on about. Now I am staggard at how they coped
with such corrupt, evil, exploitative individuals without giving up hope.
We want things to be clean cut, precise, defined, concrete, yet God appears to want honesty, openness
and working with strengths and weaknesses, adjusting to the issues and people as things progress.
So Peter, the man of faith, denies Christ, yet Christ prays for him, and in the end reconciliation.
Some say, oh but God foreknew, it was certain, not realising things are only certain in hindsight, all the
ingredients have to be there to bring it about. Abraham and Isaac, only in the offering was faith
established, only through the action did true life break forth.
Jesus on the cross showed Gods commitment to man and forgiveness, what He was prepared to forgive
and how we could approach Him and eternity. But many even with this want to rush in as if it is just a
free ride to paradise, a joyous pain free experience of indulgence, wealth and luxury, getting what our
status deserves.
Or believers who see the word obey and replace it with believe, self editing text to passify guilt and sinful
behaviour which they do not want to resolve.
But God allows this, because in the end the Kingdom is about people who follow, who listen, who learn and
who love others, not self indulgent, self serving worriers who will compromise everything just so they do not
have to change anything but get all the benefits, peace, peace, peace they cry.
For from the least to the greatest of them,
everyone is greedy for unjust gain;
and from prophet to priest,
everyone deals falsely.
14 They have healed the wound of my people lightly,
saying, ‘Peace, peace,’
when there is no peace.
15 Were they ashamed when they committed abomination?
No, they were not at all ashamed;
they did not know how to blush.
Jer 6:13-15
I understand what you are saying, and I kind of agree, though not entirely!
We do read in the Bible something about opening our mouth and God filling it and also something about finding the Word of God on our lips, so we should have some understanding the God can control what comes out even if we don't actually hear "dictation" from Him!
That being said, I still can hear a small voice speaking to me in words, and we also see where specific words are written and credited to God in the Bible. Also, when I do hear from Him those specific words coming from Him often come as little sayings and such. So if I write something like say,
HOW MANY BIRDS SING IN THE FOREST? ANSWER: ALL OF THEM WHEN THEY’RE IN THE RIGHT MOOD.
And I don't actually quote God, it can still be from God. That is to say, we don't actually have to know God said something to for it to be from Him!!!
Yet - there are things said in the Bible that we know are not from God!!! Satan is quoted in the Bible, and if we actually call the Bible the Word of God, then we have credited God with Satan's words! And we can find lots of other examples of that. A discourse between Job and few others make up the majority of the words written in the book of Job. And at the end we read where God comes down and seem fairly upset with them and their discourse. So are we fine with saying the Book of Job, for the most part, can be thought of as "The Word of God"?
I believe there is a lot to learn from the book of Job, but much of it is what not to do and say. Yet I have read Christian books using things said by Job as if they were said by God. If what Job said was from God, as in the Word of God, then why was God upset with what was said?
The writing and recording of it could still be inspired and even control by God, yet the words might not and are not actually His words!! They are words of Job and a some others!
So should we actually call the Bible the Word of God or should we instead referred to it as Holy or Sacred writings? I feel the we should keep the Scriptures as the Scriptures or perhaps Holy Scriptures. They are that!
Now, if we get zealous for the Scriptures, as opposed to being zealous for God, what might we be do? Could we start making the Scriptures God instead of writings pointing us to God? I think that has happened! Certainly people in the past have started ignoring the importance of the Scriptures, and Paul talks about the importance of reading and studying them, and that I am in full agreement with. Yet writings are ink on pages and God is spirit. Writings are records, and God is a being. Writing don't think, but who can fully understand the depths of God?
The Lord once told me,
"They say, 'I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT WHO DO THEY KNOW?'"
It is a who that we are trying to know! Ok, we need to know the book also, but knowing a book is not like knowing a person, and we absolutely need to know a person, Jesus Christ, whose name is called the Word of God!
Isn't that what we are trying to figure out?
Of course the what was written was inspired by God. That is rather the point; they are written for our learning and benefit.
Perhaps elsewhere in this forum but that is not the topic of this thread.
It is a who that we are trying to know! - and that is what we are talking about if we are talking about whether the Bible should be called "The Word of God"!!
In the Bible Jesus is called "The Word of God"!! So should be call the Bible "The Word of God" also?
Would you feel comfortable calling the Bible "Jesus Christ"?
But that is basically what we do when we call the Bible "The Word of God", because "The Word of God" is the name of the Christ.
Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood and His name is called "The Word of God".
The Christ was also named "The Word of God". He wasn't really called "Jesus" until He took on flesh and came to earth. Jesus, (Yeshua) means God's salvation, and the Christ became that to us when He took on flesh and went to the cross, but He was "The Word of God" from the beginning! God spoke words and things were created. But was it the Father, Son, or Spirit who specifically had those words? It is written that all things were created through Him, the Son who is the perfect image of the invisible God.
So we need to decide whether we are trying to get to know the person, the Son, whose name is called "The Word of God", or whether our purpose is to know the Bible as the Word of God?
If we feel that the basic message is that people need to know the Bible, then we would want to call the Bible the Word of God, indicating they have to know and live by the Bible. However if we feel the basic message is that people need to know the Son, then we should call the Son of God "The Word of God" because to know a person we need to have conversation with them.
Now we normally call the Scriptures 'The Word of God" implying that we must read them to know what God wants us to do. Yet the Scriptures tell us that God wants us to listen to His Son, who He has given the words of God to. So really, He should be called "The Word of God", and the people who wrote the Scriptures did indeed call Him, "The Word of God", unlike us!
In a nut shell, we are not pointing people to Jesus Christ when we call the Scriptures "The Word of God' instead of calling Jesus Christ "The Word of God."
We need to point people to Jesus Christ, who said He would never leave us, who said His sheep hear His voice, who said His words are spirit and are life, and who those who wrote the Bible heard from. They knew Him as the "Word of God" we now know a book as "The Word of God".
Ps - Knowing Him as the Word of God does not mean we shouldn't read and study the Scriptures! It only means that we do that and listen to Him while doing it, because He is 'The Word of God'.
In the Bible Jesus is called "The Word of God"!! So should be call the Bible "The Word of God" also?
Would you feel comfortable calling the Bible "Jesus Christ"?
But that is basically what we do when we call the Bible "The Word of God", because "The Word of God" is the name of the Christ.
Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood and His name is called "The Word of God".
The Christ was also named "The Word of God". He wasn't really called "Jesus" until He took on flesh and came to earth. Jesus, (Yeshua) means God's salvation, and the Christ became that to us when He took on flesh and went to the cross, but He was "The Word of God" from the beginning! God spoke words and things were created. But was it the Father, Son, or Spirit who specifically had those words? It is written that all things were created through Him, the Son who is the perfect image of the invisible God.
So we need to decide whether we are trying to get to know the person, the Son, whose name is called "The Word of God", or whether our purpose is to know the Bible as the Word of God?
If we feel that the basic message is that people need to know the Bible, then we would want to call the Bible the Word of God, indicating they have to know and live by the Bible. However if we feel the basic message is that people need to know the Son, then we should call the Son of God "The Word of God" because to know a person we need to have conversation with them.
Now we normally call the Scriptures 'The Word of God" implying that we must read them to know what God wants us to do. Yet the Scriptures tell us that God wants us to listen to His Son, who He has given the words of God to. So really, He should be called "The Word of God", and the people who wrote the Scriptures did indeed call Him, "The Word of God", unlike us!
In a nut shell, we are not pointing people to Jesus Christ when we call the Scriptures "The Word of God' instead of calling Jesus Christ "The Word of God."
We need to point people to Jesus Christ, who said He would never leave us, who said His sheep hear His voice, who said His words are spirit and are life, and who those who wrote the Bible heard from. They knew Him as the "Word of God" we now know a book as "The Word of God".
Ps - Knowing Him as the Word of God does not mean we shouldn't read and study the Scriptures! It only means that we do that and listen to Him while doing it, because He is 'The Word of God'.
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No, this isn't what we are talking about. This is about the inspiration and trustworthiness of Scripture. "Is the Bible the Word of God?" means, "Is the Bible given by God?"
The Title of the thread is "Is the bible the Word of God?"
And My posts have been exactly on that question!! Despite what you write "Free, post"
Also, in the OP: There is the comment about "a complete and final written revelation from God. See below!
If Jesus Christ is the Word of God, like the Bible explains, and if His sheep do indeed hear His voice, like the Bible explains. Then to think that the Bible is the final revelation from God is simply non-sense - or are you suggesting that there are none of His sheep here on earth today that hear His voice. Of perhaps you think His sheep can not write??
The Bible is what the Bible calls "The Scriptures!!
So what are the Scriptures? What are they for? And how does our Lord use them?
Since He talks to us and we hear Him, He is the Word of God just like the Scriptures explain!! That addresses the title of the thread.
Since He talks to us, the Scriptures are clearly not the final revelation to us, He is!
Since we can write, the Scriptures can not possibly be consider the final revelation that can be written! What are all those Christian books doing in the stores if the Bible is the final written revelation?
But none of that I stated above takes anything away from the true value of the Scriptures. The Scriptures are Holy writings! That is God uses them for a purpose! And that purpose is 'teaching us!' One of the names for the Lord is "Teacher" and it is written that they will all be taught of God.
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You are equivocating. I have stated clearly what this topic is about. Just for you, the title of this thread is: "Is the Bible given to us by God?" Everyone else understood what the title meant.
Again, you are not at all understanding what was said in the OP. "Is the Bible the final written revelation from God?" It seems that this, too, was understood by everyone but you. We know the Bible is the final, inspired, written revelation from God. If it isn't, well, then see below.
Christian books are most certainly not considered inspired revelation from God by almost all who write them (there may be a certain few belonging to certain Christian circles that are confused on the matter or think more highly of themselves than they ought).
Christian books are most certainly not considered inspired revelation from God by almost all who write them (there may be a certain few belonging to certain Christian circles that are confused on the matter or think more highly of themselves than they ought).
What you have stated most certainly takes away from the true value of the Bible. In fact, based on what you have written, the Book of Mormon could very well be from God, so could the Qur'an or any other writing that claims to be from God.
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Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, The Bible is the Word of God made book including every jot and title ..Right ? But I understand where you're coming from friend
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