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biblecatholic said:
No, but my understanding is that the RSV-CE is the best translation from the original languages.
Here is a good article on the subject:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9404fea1.asp
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Is there perfect english translation of Sacred Scripture?
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No, but my understanding is that the RSV-CE is the best translation from the original languages.
Here is a good article on the subject:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9404fea1.asp
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I just noticed that. LOL. This must have been an old thread. Ooops.vic C. said:
Delete one. It doesnt matter which.
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Righteousone
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I am still waiting for an answer here... :smt015
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Righteousone said:
Can't argue with that
Hello Righteousone,
The nation of Israel were called to be Jehovah's "witnesses", for these represented him before all the nations. God had told Moses, following their exodus from Egypt in 1513 B.C.E., that "they must place my name upon the sons of Israel, that I myself may bless them."(Num 6:27) Then almost 40 years later, just before the Israelites entered into the land of Canaan, in 1473 B.C.E., Moses said that "all the peoples of the earth will have to see that Jehovah's name has been called upon you, and they will indeed be afraid of you."(Deut 28:10) Naaman, after having been cleansed of his leprosy, recognized that Israel's God, Jehovah, was the the "true God", saying that "I certainly know that there is no God anywhere in the earth but in Israel."(2 Kings 5:15)
Hence, at Isaiah 43:10,12, the nation of Israel are called 'Jehovah's Witnesses', these being "precious in (his) eyes".(Is 43:4) These were his "witnesses", representing him before all nations and the "gods of the peoples".(1 Chron 16:26) Truly as God himself said to them, that "you are my witnesses."(Is 44:8)
Who today are willng to do the "bidding" of the true God, Jehovah, to be his "witnesses" ? The word "witness" means to "testify" or "speak publicly about religious beliefs"(Encarta Dictionary) Jesus himself is called "the faithful and true witness".(Rev 3:14) Of whom was Jesus a "witness" or 'spoke publicly' to everyone ? Of his Father, Jehovah God. Hence, he was one of "Jehovah's Witnesses". All who follow in his "footsteps" then, would likewise "testify" or "speak publicly" about the true God, Jehovah, becoming therefore his "witnesses", teaching others what it means to "observe" all of what Jehovah has said , as Jesus himself said: "every utterance coming forth through Jehovah's mouth."(Matt 4:4)
Then, moments before his ascension to heaven, he tells the ones there present that "you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me....to the most distant part of the earth."(Acts 1:8) Those that obey this command, would do just as Jesus did, to be a "witness" for his Father, Jehovah. Jesus said that "what I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me. If anyone desires to do his will, he will know concerning the teaching whether it is from God or I speak of my own originality."(John 7:16,17) Thus, Jesus spoke his Father's words, publicly. He was a "witness" for his Father.
Those who imitate Jesus are indeed called Christian, or "christ-like" and comes from the Latinized Greek term Khri·sti·a·nos. Just as Jesus was Jehovah's "witness", so likewise are those who follow closely the "model" he set, becoming Christians.(1 Pet 2:21) The apostle Paul gave a list of loyal indivduals that were Jehovah's Witnesses in pre-Christian times, starting with Abel who exercised faith in Jehovah.(Heb 11) At Hebrews 12:1, Paul now says that "we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us". These gave "witness" or "spoke publicly" about the true God, Jehovah. James, in 49 C.E., told the older men in Jerusalem that God has "turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name."(Acts 15:14) Hence, in the first century, from the "nations" were those who would also accept the responsibility of carrying God's name and his assigned work of witnessing to all they met about God's kingdom. The churches have certainly not accepted this task, but have tried to hide God's name.
Those who were loyal in carrying God's name in the past, has been followed in these "last days" with a people that would also be "witnesses" for Jehovah God. Days before his death, Jesus told his apostles that "this good news of the kingdom would be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."(Matt 24:14) Following his resurrection from the dead, he says that these are to "go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations....teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you."(Matt 28:19,20) The name Jehovah has been, for the most part, removed even from many of the Bibles, due to an apostasizing (Greek a·po·sta·si´a, having the sense of "desertion, abandonment or rebellion.â€Â) of the Christian congregation, especially after the death of the apostles. Jesus had already foretold that this would occur, for he gave the illustration of the "weeds and wheat" at Matthew 13:24-30.
Therefore, over the course of almost two thousand years, there was practically no one that was a "witness" for Jehovah. However, God had prophetically stated that true worship would once again be reestablished in the "last days", our time period. Isaiah 2:2,3 says that "it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths."
Thus, once again, Jehovah God would have his "witnesses", that would "speak publicly" for him before the "end" comes.(Matt 24:14) This work is being done on a global scale. Anyone who wishes to examine our religious beliefs are welcome, for we encourage open discussions about the Bible, just as Jesus did.(Luke 8:1) However, there are those who have no interest in learning what the Bible really teaches, but rather to attack what Jehovah's Witnesses are teaching others to put into practice from the Bible, to be "no part of the world".(John 15:19) These wish to break our integrity to the true God, causing "divisions".(Rom 16:17) If you knew that certain food was unsafe for consumption, would you eat it ? Likewise, we have to recognize that there are those who try to use "wicked reasonings" to corrupt the our thinking.(Matt 15:19) The religious leaders tried this on Jesus, but failed.
We do not "chide" the "poor deluded Catholic", but rather we seek to "witness" to all, including Catholics, encouraging them to learn what the Bible really teaches, in imitation of Jesus. That is why he is called the "The Word of God", for he is Jehovah God's chief spokesperson.(Rev 19:13; John 1:1)
The nation of Israel were called to be Jehovah's "witnesses", for these represented him before all the nations. God had told Moses, following their exodus from Egypt in 1513 B.C.E., that "they must place my name upon the sons of Israel, that I myself may bless them."(Num 6:27) Then almost 40 years later, just before the Israelites entered into the land of Canaan, in 1473 B.C.E., Moses said that "all the peoples of the earth will have to see that Jehovah's name has been called upon you, and they will indeed be afraid of you."(Deut 28:10) Naaman, after having been cleansed of his leprosy, recognized that Israel's God, Jehovah, was the the "true God", saying that "I certainly know that there is no God anywhere in the earth but in Israel."(2 Kings 5:15)
Hence, at Isaiah 43:10,12, the nation of Israel are called 'Jehovah's Witnesses', these being "precious in (his) eyes".(Is 43:4) These were his "witnesses", representing him before all nations and the "gods of the peoples".(1 Chron 16:26) Truly as God himself said to them, that "you are my witnesses."(Is 44:8)
Who today are willng to do the "bidding" of the true God, Jehovah, to be his "witnesses" ? The word "witness" means to "testify" or "speak publicly about religious beliefs"(Encarta Dictionary) Jesus himself is called "the faithful and true witness".(Rev 3:14) Of whom was Jesus a "witness" or 'spoke publicly' to everyone ? Of his Father, Jehovah God. Hence, he was one of "Jehovah's Witnesses". All who follow in his "footsteps" then, would likewise "testify" or "speak publicly" about the true God, Jehovah, becoming therefore his "witnesses", teaching others what it means to "observe" all of what Jehovah has said , as Jesus himself said: "every utterance coming forth through Jehovah's mouth."(Matt 4:4)
Then, moments before his ascension to heaven, he tells the ones there present that "you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me....to the most distant part of the earth."(Acts 1:8) Those that obey this command, would do just as Jesus did, to be a "witness" for his Father, Jehovah. Jesus said that "what I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me. If anyone desires to do his will, he will know concerning the teaching whether it is from God or I speak of my own originality."(John 7:16,17) Thus, Jesus spoke his Father's words, publicly. He was a "witness" for his Father.
Those who imitate Jesus are indeed called Christian, or "christ-like" and comes from the Latinized Greek term Khri·sti·a·nos. Just as Jesus was Jehovah's "witness", so likewise are those who follow closely the "model" he set, becoming Christians.(1 Pet 2:21) The apostle Paul gave a list of loyal indivduals that were Jehovah's Witnesses in pre-Christian times, starting with Abel who exercised faith in Jehovah.(Heb 11) At Hebrews 12:1, Paul now says that "we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us". These gave "witness" or "spoke publicly" about the true God, Jehovah. James, in 49 C.E., told the older men in Jerusalem that God has "turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name."(Acts 15:14) Hence, in the first century, from the "nations" were those who would also accept the responsibility of carrying God's name and his assigned work of witnessing to all they met about God's kingdom. The churches have certainly not accepted this task, but have tried to hide God's name.
Those who were loyal in carrying God's name in the past, has been followed in these "last days" with a people that would also be "witnesses" for Jehovah God. Days before his death, Jesus told his apostles that "this good news of the kingdom would be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."(Matt 24:14) Following his resurrection from the dead, he says that these are to "go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations....teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you."(Matt 28:19,20) The name Jehovah has been, for the most part, removed even from many of the Bibles, due to an apostasizing (Greek a·po·sta·si´a, having the sense of "desertion, abandonment or rebellion.â€Â) of the Christian congregation, especially after the death of the apostles. Jesus had already foretold that this would occur, for he gave the illustration of the "weeds and wheat" at Matthew 13:24-30.
Therefore, over the course of almost two thousand years, there was practically no one that was a "witness" for Jehovah. However, God had prophetically stated that true worship would once again be reestablished in the "last days", our time period. Isaiah 2:2,3 says that "it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths."
Thus, once again, Jehovah God would have his "witnesses", that would "speak publicly" for him before the "end" comes.(Matt 24:14) This work is being done on a global scale. Anyone who wishes to examine our religious beliefs are welcome, for we encourage open discussions about the Bible, just as Jesus did.(Luke 8:1) However, there are those who have no interest in learning what the Bible really teaches, but rather to attack what Jehovah's Witnesses are teaching others to put into practice from the Bible, to be "no part of the world".(John 15:19) These wish to break our integrity to the true God, causing "divisions".(Rom 16:17) If you knew that certain food was unsafe for consumption, would you eat it ? Likewise, we have to recognize that there are those who try to use "wicked reasonings" to corrupt the our thinking.(Matt 15:19) The religious leaders tried this on Jesus, but failed.
We do not "chide" the "poor deluded Catholic", but rather we seek to "witness" to all, including Catholics, encouraging them to learn what the Bible really teaches, in imitation of Jesus. That is why he is called the "The Word of God", for he is Jehovah God's chief spokesperson.(Rev 19:13; John 1:1)
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Righteousone
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Listen Nadab, I don't want a 'sermon' here, just answer the questions in a clear definitive way.
Another thing is, if the soul is the body, why does Jesus make a distinction between the body and the soul in Mt. 10:28?
The NT translates John 1:1 as "and the word was WITH god, and the word was God".
How can the word (Jesus) be a "God" if God says in Deut. 32:39, "See now that I-I am He, and there are NO Gods together with me?
If Christ will not have a visible return to earth, then how will he be seen by "ALL tribes of the earth"? (Mt. 24:30) and by "Every eye" (Rev.1:7) when he returns?
Just answer the questions.
Another thing is, if the soul is the body, why does Jesus make a distinction between the body and the soul in Mt. 10:28?
The NT translates John 1:1 as "and the word was WITH god, and the word was God".
How can the word (Jesus) be a "God" if God says in Deut. 32:39, "See now that I-I am He, and there are NO Gods together with me?
If Christ will not have a visible return to earth, then how will he be seen by "ALL tribes of the earth"? (Mt. 24:30) and by "Every eye" (Rev.1:7) when he returns?
Just answer the questions.
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Righteousone
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And Vic, we are talking about Scripture.
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Catholic Crusader
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I still say its the RSV-CE
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Catholic Crusader
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Catholic Crusader said:
Free said:
Thats what I meant. I was not clear.
(BTW: That is why people who parse words in English Bibles are spinning their wheels, in my opinion.)
GuitarIntro
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Wouldn't that be reading Hebrew?
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kenan
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GuitarIntro said:
yes, it would, and theres greek in there too. but as far as I know we don't have an intact copy of the entire new testament, so we have to make do with the translations that were made from it before we lost the originals