Islam - a religion of peace

[JCitoL]

I do not quiet understand "renewal of the faith" it sounds like that means they once believed in Jesus which I do not believe they ever did. so Im thinking not renewal but a change of faith. now I may be misunderstanding if so help me out.

This last sentence I separated from your post I agree they should turn from muhammad toward Jesus.
now they are in America where it would be easy to reform but they are not showing reform they are in our courts asking judges to remove American law from their communities and let them live completely under sharia in America. So when a husband beats his wife and she has to go to the hospital American police men have no authority to do anything to the man if they are under sharia law. So they do not appear to be interested in change. if they were they would shed sharia and accept American law like we do. just my view, im often wrong

there is a need of someone and even many to preach the true word of God and Jesus to them, because many of them have, in a way or another, been kept under the cloud of their spiritual/religious system more or less away from the perfect truth, as for their sins, if any of them (continue to) commit spiritual iniquity/lawlessness/wickedness, it is written God will judge the sinners without liking

Blessings

 

[reba]

 

[By Grace]

It's as peaceful as living under the old covenant. It's basically a copy of the old covenant with a few twists here and there. I think that was the intention that it be a competing religion to Judaism because the Jews rejected Mohammed.

Actually islam is a rejection of both Christianity and Judaism.
That is because Mohammad was born c. 600 AD, after the Church was established at Pentecost in Acts 2

 

[Corn Pop]

Actually islam is a rejection of both Christianity and Judaism.
That is because Mohammad was born c. 600 AD, after the Church was established at Pentecost in Acts 2

600AD has no witness. Mohammad is his only witness.

Even if the authors of the Gospels are not eye witness themselves, just inspired authors, they give eye witness accounts.

Matthew, mark, luke, john, paul, revelation and many others, all give there own seperate accounts.

I would take 10 different witness that give there own ccounts credibility over one single man 600 years later who claims something and cant prove it and has 0 witness.

How someone can come out 600 years after the fact and falsely accuse and deny things with no fact, witness or evidence and just say I had a vision is ridiculous.

I would not trust anyone who calls themself a prophet and cant even tell the difference between good and evil angels.

 

[Mike S]

600AD has no witness. Mohammad is his only witness.

Even if the authors of the Gospels are not eye witness themselves, just inspired authors, they give eye witness accounts.

Matthew, mark, luke, john, paul, revelation and many others, all give there own seperate accounts.

I would take 10 different witness that give there own ccounts credibility over one single man 600 years later who claims something and cant prove it and has 0 witness.

How someone can come out 600 years after the fact and falsely accuse and deny things with no fact, witness or evidence and just say I had a vision is ridiculous.

I would not trust anyone who calls themself a prophet and cant even tell the difference between good and evil angels.

I'm willing to bet that the same people who ridicule the idea that golden tablets were revealed to Joseph Smith are all too eager to accept the Quran as a legitimate revelation to Muhammad .

 

[By Grace]

I'm willing to bet that the same people who ridicule the idea that golden tablets were revealed to Joseph Smith are all too eager to accept the Quran as a legitimate revelation to Muhammad .

What is your purpose in that post?

Have you looked into the transmission of the things that came from Muhammad, and how they were collected? You may not be aware that Muhammad declared himself to be illiterate. The things that are in the Qur'an were compiled by others, who heard and wrote what he said. So there is more stuff for the existence of Muhammad and what he wrote than there is for the "golden plates of Mormonism?.

Are you perhaps aware that there is nothing stated in the Book of Mormon that corresponds with reality?

Rather than derail the thread, I shall leave it at what I posted, and request that you explain yourself further

 

[Mike S]

What is your purpose in that post?

Have you looked into the transmission of the things that came from Muhammad, and how they were collected? You may not be aware that Muhammad declared himself to be illiterate. The things that are in the Qur'an were compiled by others, who heard and wrote what he said. So there is more stuff for the existence of Muhammad and what he wrote than there is for the "golden plates of Mormonism?.

Are you perhaps that there is nothing stated in the Book of Mormon that corresponds with reality?

Rather than derail the thread, I shall leave it at what I posted, and request that you explain yourself further

My comment explains itself. Both Islam and Mormanism are phony faiths, based on fake revelations.

 

[Corn Pop]

My comment explains itself. Both Islam and Mormanism are phony faiths, based on fake revelations.

Well they both claim to be the prophet and completely contradict each other, so math says at least one must be 100% false without the guarentee of any being right.

How can people not test there faith. Completely blinded and decieved by false prophets.

 

[Free]

https://www.facebook.com/NabeelQure...959278124907/1056491281038365/?type=2&theater

 

[By Grace]

My comment explains itself. Both Islam and Mormanism are phony faiths, based on fake revelations.

I asked you because I did not fully understand your purpose.
Thank you for your clarification. We both agree that both religions are false.

 

[By Grace]

https://www.facebook.com/NabeelQure...959278124907/1056491281038365/?type=2&theater

In my opinion, there is a huge difference between hating the people who are Muslim, and hating what the Qur'an teaches. The first is personal, and is is surely not what Jesus would do. We have the example of the Samaritan woman as a great example. Jesus is the Creator of the Universe, (Hebrews 1:1-3) and it is that same Creator of the Universe Who dies so that all men can have eternal life through Him, alone.

The second is objective because it deals with things as they are, and not as one would like to gloss over things because they are unspeakable for any humane and righteous person to speak about. Therefore, I will not skip over the inconvenient truths. I do not do this to provide a "justification for hatred of Muslim people" Instead, I do it to demonstrate the inherent evil in the official teachings from their "holy books".

Surely you can see when one can quote suras in the Qur'an and from the Haddith, such as I did which say that Jews are enemies of Islam, and that conversion from Islam is a capital offense, they need to be noted. But what I did not include in my short post is even more evil than that: their "holy books" teach mysogony, or that Muhammad married a girl who was 6 years (Aisha), and waited 3 years to consummate the marriage which makes him a pervert in any language.

I also did not include this gem, repeated several times in the Qur'an: Whoever offers violence to you, offer you the like violence to him.
Volume 4, Book 53, Number 377 Volume 8, Book 73, Number 111, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 416

The Qur’an discriminates as to who should die: all those who believe differently. The criterion for death is belief, not deeds. The Bible allows humanity to have free choice. The only choice a Muslim offers to the world is coerced belief, or death. Thus, Islam’s retribution is unlimited, unrestrained, and expanding to people who do not believe the same things as they do.

No, Free, I am not arguing with you. Instead I am presenting facts. I also give Mr. Nabeel Qureshi the benefit of the doubt because he could not in his short video address these things which I post about, and it is likely that his family remains in Islam. To his credit, he did condemn those who follow the hideous things in the Qur'an, but he did not renounce as evil those horrid things that are written in the Qur'an itself. That is a legitimate criticism, I believe.

 

[Lewis]

Someone shared that, from a muslim that posted it!

See that is just it, the Quran is backwards, in one Sura it will say something and in another Sura it will go against what it said in a earlier Sura. And the book is not in chronological order almost throughout. It is a very contradicting book throughout. Every time Mohammad was angry at the Hebrews he had them killed and he would turn the prayers away from facing the east towards Jerusalem, he did that five times. and when he was at peace with them he would turn the prayers back to the east. Until he had to go and kill more Hebrews again. He was a man of a lot of unjust war. This seed of Abraham was told to us from the get go by God what he would be. And they have lived up to it. They are not a faith of peace. Now if you want to get deeper into the Quran we can go there.

 

[Ph8th]

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And im not one sided. I give christianity just as much.
Do I trust christianity. No.
Do I trust the Govn. No.
Do I trust any religion. No.
And it has nothing to do with people. Its systems.

Do you have relationship with Jesus? Do you see Him as a system? Jesus is a person 1 Timothy 2:5 (NASB). I understand not trusting religion because religion is of man, corrupt. I was not raised in church I did not weigh the options, I did not choose to be a Christian He chose me. It has nothing to with anyone or anything else just Jesus.
peter

 

[th1b.taylor]

Dan, Peter (Ph8th), is correct. I am known for telling people that any Religion, Christianity included will send a man to Hell. I choose to worship with some Baptist flavored, religious, Christians but I also know the bulk of them are going to Hell because they have their religion and have not a, personal, relationship with the Son.

When we read the scriptures through, right after the first two chapters of Genesis, we find God losing the very thing He created man for, fellowship. In the cool of the day, meaning the evening to me, God walked with Adam in the Garden (fellowshipping). And when we study the four Gospels we learn that Jesus, God in the flesh of a man, came to restore that which was lost, fellowship.

Jesus did not come to establish one more religion, He came that we, Adam or Man, might fellowship with Him, once more.

 

[Corn Pop]

Dan, Peter (Ph8th), is correct. I am known for telling people that any Religion, Christianity included will send a man to Hell. I choose to worship with some Baptist flavored, religious, Christians but I also know the bulk of them are going to Hell because they have their religion and have not a, personal, relationship with the Son.

When we read the scriptures through, right after the first two chapters of Genesis, we find God losing the very thing He created man for, fellowship. In the cool of the day, meaning the evening to me, God walked with Adam in the Garden (fellowshipping). And when we study the four Gospels we learn that Jesus, God in the flesh of a man, came to restore that which was lost, fellowship.

Jesus did not come to establish one more religion, He came that we, Adam or Man, might fellowship with Him, once more.

I agree. Exactly what you said. Jesus is not a system and a bunch of laws. Its fellowship with God. Walking in love with him and praying for those who hate you for it that there eyes maybe opened and they repent, turn from there way, and have fellowship with God once again.

This world is fallen.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I agree. Exactly what you said. Jesus is not a system and a bunch of laws. Its fellowship with God. Walking in love with him and praying for those who hate you for it that there eyes maybe opened and they repent, turn from there way, and have fellowship with God once again.

This world is fallen.

Amen, brother.

 

[Free]

Jesus did not come to establish one more religion, He came that we, Adam or Man, might fellowship with Him, once more.

Which is one of the tenets of the religion of Christianity.

 

[Free]

In my opinion, there is a huge difference between hating the people who are Muslim, and hating what the Qur'an teaches. The first is personal, and is is surely not what Jesus would do. We have the example of the Samaritan woman as a great example. Jesus is the Creator of the Universe, (Hebrews 1:1-3) and it is that same Creator of the Universe Who dies so that all men can have eternal life through Him, alone.

The second is objective because it deals with things as they are, and not as one would like to gloss over things because they are unspeakable for any humane and righteous person to speak about. Therefore, I will not skip over the inconvenient truths. I do not do this to provide a "justification for hatred of Muslim people" Instead, I do it to demonstrate the inherent evil in the official teachings from their "holy books".

Surely you can see when one can quote suras in the Qur'an and from the Haddith, such as I did which say that Jews are enemies of Islam, and that conversion from Islam is a capital offense, they need to be noted. But what I did not include in my short post is even more evil than that: their "holy books" teach mysogony, or that Muhammad married a girl who was 6 years (Aisha), and waited 3 years to consummate the marriage which makes him a pervert in any language.

I also did not include this gem, repeated several times in the Qur'an: Whoever offers violence to you, offer you the like violence to him.
Volume 4, Book 53, Number 377 Volume 8, Book 73, Number 111, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 416

The Qur’an discriminates as to who should die: all those who believe differently. The criterion for death is belief, not deeds. The Bible allows humanity to have free choice. The only choice a Muslim offers to the world is coerced belief, or death. Thus, Islam’s retribution is unlimited, unrestrained, and expanding to people who do not believe the same things as they do.

No, Free, I am not arguing with you. Instead I am presenting facts. I also give Mr. Nabeel Qureshi the benefit of the doubt because he could not in his short video address these things which I post about, and it is likely that his family remains in Islam. To his credit, he did condemn those who follow the hideous things in the Qur'an, but he did not renounce as evil those horrid things that are written in the Qur'an itself. That is a legitimate criticism, I believe.

Nothing you say disagrees with what Nabeel said. Apologists generally have a purpose both in what the say and what they don't say. I see no reason to criticize what we do not know regarding what Nabeel didn't say.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Where under the Old Covenant does it state to slaughter all unbelievers?

Sorry, OzSpen for the delay:

10“When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. 11“If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. 12“However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. 13“When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. 14“Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you. 15“Thus you shall do to all the cities that are very far from you, which are not of the cities of these nations nearby. 16“Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. 17“But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the LORD your God has commanded you, 18so that they may not teach you to do according to all their detestable things which they have done for their gods, so that you would sin against the LORD your God." (Deuteronomy 20:10-18 NASB)

You can see the Muslims have their own particular spin on it.

 

[OzSpen]

I thought we have a new covenant that replaced those O.T.laws.

Roro,

Thanks to Christ's blood sacrifice and resurrection we are under the new covenant. Heb 8:13 (ESV) explains one aspect of the new one: 'In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away'.

However, some object to Christianity because of its acceptance of the OT where there are some severe punishments for sin. For example, this was the punishment for adultery in Israel, according to the OT law, 'If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel' (Deut 22:22 ESV).

So OT punishment for adultery was capital punishment. What did Jesus do with the the woman? Even though it's not in the earliest MSS, the story of the woman caught in adultery (John 7:53-8:11) demonstrated the Christian approach: 'Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more' (Jn 8:11 ESV).

The response is sometimes made to me, 'Your Bible is not much different to the Muslim's Quran. Look what happened to people in the OT!'

We are under the New Covenant, but there were some strict punishments for Israel, as articulated in the NT.

Oz